Animal rights

[Guest MattP]

So if someone eventually manages to grow the perfect steak in a lab, one that is indistinguishable from the real thing, you'd still rather go and knock off a cow? Must admit the thought of shady characters meeting in barns across the country does make me laugh. Underground abattoirs...get real.

And nobody is trying to ban your precious meat, just trying to find a morally suitable alternative

 

It if was perfect of course I would eat it, but it won't, it's like these weird veggies that try and claim these awful sausages taste the same and it's fcuking embarrassing when you put it in your mouth.

 

Ban meat with only an inferior product avaliable and you will have a huge black market, and if you seriously don't believe that, well you would have to be a veggie who has never tasted proper meat. Laughable if you actually think big meat eaters who care about quality would sit back and do nothing but eat the stuff cooked up in a lab that didn't taste as nice.

 

I would be a bigger black market than drugs in my part of the World.

[OzFox]

What's the consensus among the veggies on animals like jelly fish which don't have a brain or the ability to feel pain? Ok to eat or no?

Have you tried it? No taste apparently.

[Guest MattP]

Have you tried it? No taste apparently.

 

Wish I had a pound for everytime I'd heard a vegetarian use the words 'taste' and 'apparantly' in the same sentence.

[marko]

Have you tried it? No taste apparently.

 

Taste or no taste, I'm curious to know your answer to the actual question Moose posed.

[OzFox]

It if was perfect of course I would eat it, but it won't, it's like these weird veggies that try and claim these awful sausages taste the same and it's fcuking embarrassing when you put it in your mouth.

 

Ban meat with only an inferior product avaliable and you will have a huge black market, and if you seriously don't believe that, well you would have to be a veggie who has never tasted proper meat. Laughable if you actually think big meat eaters who care about quality would sit back and do nothing but eat the stuff cooked up in a lab that didn't taste as nice.

 

I would be a bigger black market than drugs in my part of the World.

Calm down will ya? Nobody's banning meat. Not in our lifetime anyway.

I'm starting to think you must have an iron deficiency.

I do like the idea of a sort of 'Boardwalk Empire' for meat instead of whiskey. Nucky Thompson tearing into a sirloin. Big shoot outs. Couple of Freisians caught in the crossfire...

[OzFox]

Wish I had a pound for everytime I'd heard a vegetarian use the words 'taste' and 'apparantly' in the same sentence.

  

Who is the vegetarian? Said several times in this thread that i still eat some meat. I'm opposed to the industrial scale slaughter in our factory farms, and the conditions the animals are kept in,not the meat industry.

Taste or no taste, I'm curious to know your answer to the actual question Moose posed.

I'm not a veggie so the question didn't really apply. We've now got huge plagues of jellyfish in some areas, probably because we're knocking off their natural predators, so guess they're gonna end up on more and more menus.

[The Doctor]

So if someone eventually manages to grow the perfect steak in a lab, one that is indistinguishable from the real thing, you'd still rather go and knock off a cow? Must admit the thought of shady characters meeting in barns across the country does make me laugh. Underground abattoirs...get real.

And nobody is trying to ban your precious meat, just trying to find a morally suitable alternative

 

That's a pretty big if, you can grow the muscles cells fine but to cultivate them and rear them to be good eating seems a bit far fetched at the moment, and relies on it being in any way financial viable, but the point is that you can't just get rid of meat, there's a ****ing huge demand for it (world-wide 41.9kg per person per year: http://www.worldwatch.org/global-meat-production-and-consumption-continue-rise-1), if it were banned that wouldn't change a thing, you'd just send it onto the black-market.

[OzFox]

That's a pretty big if, you can grow the muscles cells fine but to cultivate them and rear them to be good eating seems a bit far fetched at the moment, and relies on it being in any way financial viable, but the point is that you can't just get rid of meat, there's a ****ing huge demand for it (world-wide 41.9kg per person per year: http://www.worldwatch.org/global-meat-production-and-consumption-continue-rise-1), if it were banned that wouldn't change a thing, you'd just send it onto the black-market.

Yeah I know. Lab meat is a long way off, but they'll get there eventually. It won't be long before the population is nine or ten billion so hopefully they can come up with something efficient, and better for the environment.

[The Doctor]

Yeah I know. Lab meat is a long way off, but they'll get there eventually. It won't be long before the population is nine or ten billion so hopefully they can come up with something efficient, and better for the environment.

 

At current growth rates it'll be 9bn in 2050, but certainly we need something more efficient. Rather amusingly though tis the environmentalist lobby that stands most against that method of damage limitation to the environment. 

[OzFox]

At current growth rates it'll be 9bn in 2050, but certainly we need something more efficient. Rather amusingly though tis the environmentalist lobby that stands most against that method of damage limitation to the environment.

According to that Guardian article we slaughter half a trillion animals and birds a year. Plus trillions more fish. So the best way to limit damage to the environment would be to limit us, and stop breeding like rabbits. Not holding my breath on that one though.

[The Doctor]

According to that Guardian article we slaughter half a trillion animals and birds a year. Plus trillions more fish. So the best way to limit damage to the environment would be to limit us, and stop breeding like rabbits. Not holding my breath on that one though.

 

Pretty sure you're advocating cannibalism here.

[Rincewind]

I heard that one of the solutions to limiting shortage of food is to eat insects. They have all the nutirnts needed to keep us going. There are millions of cockroaches about and rather than queue up at the butchers why not have a look under that slab in your garden. With vegtables and herbs also you could be self sufficiant.

Would that also be considered cruel?

[Captain...]

Pretty sure you're advocating cannibalism here.

brilliant, but it is a valid point and one I'm surprised more governments aren't tackling, especially ours. Overpopulation is a big problem in the UK, we are full, yet keep on growing. I'm not suggesting a Chinese style 1 kid embargo, but you would have thought they would do a lot more to make people aware of the costs of having a child, not just financial but to the planet. I would say that overpopulation is the biggest risk to mankind as it exacerbates all other problems, such as global warming, dwindling energy reserves and other finite resources, the destruction of natural environments by aggressive farming, over use of pesticides, destruction of rain forests for wood.

A more concerted effort by the powers that be to make people aware of the dangers of overpopulation and encouraging people to help reduce it could be a significant factor in preventing us going the way of the dinosaurs.

[OzFox]

Er, I clearly wasn't advocating cannabilism but if people want to go down that path that's fine by me. Just bear in mind that I'm old, chewy and unsuitable for the pot.

 

Agree with the Captain that overpopulation is the root of many evils at present. Seems a no brainer to me, but rather than make us aware of it the powers that be are obsessed with making us "grow" both in numbers and wealth.

 

Attenborough had the right idea with the "Stop at Two" campaign

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7996230.stm

 

 

[Jimothy]

[BoneDog]

Overpopulation is not a problem at all globally. I've read that population growth will peak around 2050 and will in no way be a danger to the species! I find the whole thing pretty hilarious tbh, and it seems that many people are being manipulated into some kind of twisted beliefs regarding brith control. I suppose that is a consequence of having eugenicists in the top levels of some governments.

 

All those is favour of population reduction should do the honourable thing and get castrated.

[Zingari]

I heard that one of the solutions to limiting shortage of food is to eat insects. They have all the nutirnts needed to keep us going. There are millions of cockroaches about and rather than queue up at the butchers why not have a look under that slab in your garden. With vegtables and herbs also you could be self sufficiant.

Would that also be considered cruel?

Have you just been watching Balou singing "Bare Necessities" in the film Jungle Book ?

[Rincewind]

Have you just been watching Balou singing "Bare Necessities" in the film Jungle Book ?

No but in many countries a staple diet is the insect. Scorpans are popular without the sting of course.

The trouble with population people are moving to where they will get a better standard of life and when they do they become happy breeders.

On the other hand in countries  where there is not a good standard of living there are  few pleasures so they are miserable breeders.

Which are you?

 

[ozleicester]

Pretty sure you're advocating cannibalism here.

 

 

brilliant, but it is a valid point and one I'm surprised more governments aren't tackling, especially ours. Overpopulation is a big problem in the UK, we are full, yet keep on growing. I'm not suggesting a Chinese style 1 kid embargo, but you would have thought they would do a lot more to make people aware of the costs of having a child, not just financial but to the planet. I would say that overpopulation is the biggest risk to mankind as it exacerbates all other problems, such as global warming, dwindling energy reserves and other finite resources, the destruction of natural environments by aggressive farming, over use of pesticides, destruction of rain forests for wood.

A more concerted effort by the powers that be to make people aware of the dangers of overpopulation and encouraging people to help reduce it could be a significant factor in preventing us going the way of the dinosaurs.

 

 

Er, I clearly wasn't advocating cannabilism but if people want to go down that path that's fine by me. Just bear in mind that I'm old, chewy and unsuitable for the pot.

 

Agree with the Captain that overpopulation is the root of many evils at present. Seems a no brainer to me, but rather than make us aware of it the powers that be are obsessed with making us "grow" both in numbers and wealth.

 

Attenborough had the right idea with the "Stop at Two" campaign

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7996230.stm

 

 

Not advocating it.. however, if we were to breed children in a farm style environment,  (you know...where they would only exist because we have bred them for eating).

 

Would that make eating them ok?

 

Like veal i imagine they would be quite tender if you got to them young enough, and until they are about 4 years old, they are less intelligent than pigs, so cruelty shouldnt be a concern?

[Rincewind]

Saw that QI program again where they were eating insects. Would you eat a scorpion Oz? Very nutritious they said.

[Captain...]

Not advocating it.. however, if we were to breed children in a farm style environment,  (you know...where they would only exist because we have bred them for eating).

 

Would that make eating them ok?

 

Like veal i imagine they would be quite tender if you got to them young enough, and until they are about 4 years old, they are less intelligent than pigs, so cruelty shouldnt be a concern?

 

Not much meat on a 4 year old? Can we genetically breed retards so they never reach the levels of intelligence of a pig, get that hyperthyroid fatness gene in there then we can breed them bigger and fatter, but otherwise the time and cost needed to breed them to eating weight is just financially prohibitive.

[Mark_w]

Not much meat on a 4 year old? Can we genetically breed retards so they never reach the levels of intelligence of a pig, get that hyperthyroid fatness gene in there then we can breed them bigger and fatter, but otherwise the time and cost needed to breed them to eating weight is just financially prohibitive.

 

Couldn't we just have people monitor forums like this and pick out those who are less intelligent than pigs for consumption?

 

Two birds with one stone, no more Dangerous Tiger/Lamby/Kingfox and if you branch out to Bentley's Roof then long-term food security should be assured.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

Not much meat on a 4 year old? Can we genetically breed retards so they never reach the levels of intelligence of a pig, get that hyperthyroid fatness gene in there then we can breed them bigger and fatter, but otherwise the time and cost needed to breed them to eating weight is just financially prohibitive.

No need to genetically modify them they are being produced at record levels already, Chavs are breeding like rabbits at the moment as they are the only ones who can afford kids. Just pop a lorry down to the Jeremy Kyle studio and tell them they are going on a 'special' holiday.

[Rincewind]

Listening to a bison farmer she says they are being forced out of business because of new regulations. They are being asked to class them as cattle when she says they are wild animals. She says the ministry that deals with it have no idea and wont even talk with them. She says she has even been asked to milk them. She also says the welfare of the animal suffers.

[ozleicester]

Saw that QI program again where they were eating insects. Would you eat a scorpion Oz? Very nutritious they said.

 

 

No, i dont really differentiate between any living creature, if it can feel pain, then i dont believe i have the right to hurt it.

 

Listening to a bison farmer she says they are being forced out of business because of new regulations. They are being asked to class them as cattle when she says they are wild animals. She says the ministry that deals with it have no idea and wont even talk with them. She says she has even been asked to milk them. She also says the welfare of the animal suffers.

 

The three highlighted areas do suggest some confusion.