Animal rights

[OzFox]

Overpopulation is not a problem at all globally. I've read that population growth will peak around 2050 and will in no way be a danger to the species! I find the whole thing pretty hilarious tbh, and it seems that many people are being manipulated into some kind of twisted beliefs regarding brith control. I suppose that is a consequence of having eugenicists in the top levels of some governments.

 

All those is favour of population reduction should do the honourable thing and get castrated.

 

Tell that to the 3079 species already on the red list, mostly due to us poisoning and flattening their habitat.

 

if anything, governments tend to underplay the problem so they can keep landowners, hunters and the logging industry happy.

 

Therefore, I say the honourable thing would be to castrate the people with children. And if they've got more than two, they should be castrated twice.

[BoneDog]

Tell that to the 3079 species already on the red list, mostly due to us poisoning and flattening their habitat.

 

if anything, governments tend to underplay the problem so they can keep landowners, hunters and the logging industry happy.

 

Therefore, I say the honourable thing would be to castrate the people with children. And if they've got more than two, they should be castrated twice.

 

I still don't see overpopulation as a worry. There is enough food on the planet to feed 10 or 20 billion, the problem is that much of it is wasted, and that ferile land is hogged by Tesco's and others of their ilk.

 

Those 3079 species may be on the red list but I don't see that as a consequence of the amount of people on the planet, but rather a consequence of what a some of the people/industries choose to do. The whole of the planets humans could live in Australia, each with a bit of land - so overpopulation is a myth.

 

Therefore, those that advocate population control should get in line and be castrated.

 

On a side note, Bill 'Jesus' Gates is doing his part for the depopulation gang with his African vaccination schemes, sterilising and poisoning the African kids. The pervert scumbag.

[Captain...]

Tell that to the 3079 species already on the red list, mostly due to us poisoning and flattening their habitat.

 

if anything, governments tend to underplay the problem so they can keep landowners, hunters and the logging industry happy.

 

Therefore, I say the honourable thing would be to castrate the people with children. And if they've got more than two, they should be castrated twice.

 

But can we fry up and eat the testicles after they have been removed?

[Captain...]

I still don't see overpopulation as a worry. There is enough food on the planet to feed 10 or 20 billion, the problem is that much of it is wasted, and that ferile land is hogged by Tesco's and others of their ilk.

 

Those 3079 species may be on the red list but I don't see that as a consequence of the amount of people on the planet, but rather a consequence of what a some of the people/industries choose to do. The whole of the planets humans could live in Australia, each with a bit of land - so overpopulation is a myth.

 

Therefore, those that advocate population control should get in line and be castrated.

 

On a side note, Bill 'Jesus' Gates is doing his part for the depopulation gang with his African vaccination schemes, sterilising and poisoning the African kids. The pervert scumbag.

 

You are right and you're wrong. Currently there is more than enough food in this world to feed everyone, but that is not happening, partly because a lot of that food is used to force feed animals, and partly because of ruling bodies and big corporations being utter cvnts in the pursuit of money.

[OzFox]

I still don't see overpopulation as a worry. There is enough food on the planet to feed 10 or 20 billion, the problem is that much of it is wasted, and that ferile land is hogged by Tesco's and others of their ilk.

 

Those 3079 species may be on the red list but I don't see that as a consequence of the amount of people on the planet, but rather a consequence of what a some of the people/industries choose to do. The whole of the planets humans could live in Australia, each with a bit of land - so overpopulation is a myth.

 

Therefore, those that advocate population control should get in line and be castrated.

 

On a side note, Bill 'Jesus' Gates is doing his part for the depopulation gang with his African vaccination schemes, sterilising and poisoning the African kids. The pervert scumbag.

 

Either way, animals lose out because of human actions.  And the only way you'd get everyone living happily in Australia is if you depleted the already overstretched natural resources. Especially water.

 

As for the UK, it's supposedly adding a city the size of Bristol to the population every year. It's going to get awfully crowded.

 

But can we fry up and eat the testicles after they have been removed?

 

Don't see why not. I'm sure the Spanish would have a recipe

[Darkon84]

I still don't see overpopulation as a worry. There is enough food on the planet to feed 10 or 20 billion, the problem is that much of it is wasted, and that ferile land is hogged by Tesco's and others of their ilk.

 

Those 3079 species may be on the red list but I don't see that as a consequence of the amount of people on the planet, but rather a consequence of what a some of the people/industries choose to do. The whole of the planets humans could live in Australia, each with a bit of land - so overpopulation is a myth.

 

Therefore, those that advocate population control should get in line and be castrated.

 

On a side note, Bill 'Jesus' Gates is doing his part for the depopulation gang with his African vaccination schemes, sterilising and poisoning the African kids. The pervert scumbag.

 

If you don't see overpopulation as a problem, you really are losing it mate.

[DennisNedry]

I still don't see overpopulation as a worry. There is enough food on the planet to feed 10 or 20 billion, the problem is that much of it is wasted, and that ferile land is hogged by Tesco's and others of their ilk.

 

Those 3079 species may be on the red list but I don't see that as a consequence of the amount of people on the planet, but rather a consequence of what a some of the people/industries choose to do. The whole of the planets humans could live in Australia, each with a bit of land - so overpopulation is a myth.

 

Therefore, those that advocate population control should get in line and be castrated.

 

On a side note, Bill 'Jesus' Gates is doing his part for the depopulation gang with his African vaccination schemes, sterilising and poisoning the African kids. The pervert scumbag.

 

Haven't heard of this but anything that limits the African population has to be a good thing.

[Captain...]

Haven't heard of this but anything that limits the African population has to be a good thing.

 

You are going to have to justify that comment a bit there. In what way is it a good thing?

 

Just to clarify there are about 1 billion people in Africa, so less than in India and much less than China, or do you think that limiting Asian population is also a good thing? How about the Americas, just under 1 billion.

 

And "anything" that limits the African population, does that include war, genocide, forced sterilisation, how about rounding them up and throwing them in gas chambers?

[Manwell Pablo]

brilliant, but it is a valid point and one I'm surprised more governments aren't tackling, especially ours. Overpopulation is a big problem in the UK, we are full, yet keep on growing. I'm not suggesting a Chinese style 1 kid embargo, but you would have thought they would do a lot more to make people aware of the costs of having a child, not just financial but to the planet. I would say that overpopulation is the biggest risk to mankind as it exacerbates all other problems, such as global warming, dwindling energy reserves and other finite resources, the destruction of natural environments by aggressive farming, over use of pesticides, destruction of rain forests for wood.

A more concerted effort by the powers that be to make people aware of the dangers of overpopulation and encouraging people to help reduce it could be a significant factor in preventing us going the way of the dinosaurs.

 

We'll go the way of the dinosaurs eventually anyway, unless our technology advances to a stage which I personally view as impossible. But then I would imagine most people alive 500 years ago would view my 32 inch HD TV my xbox and indeed the laptop I am typing on as impossible technology. But anyway, it's a complex debate for me, at the end of the day you can't limit the amount of children a person can have in this country and aside from that it's a catch 22 situation anyway, you can tell people having children can cause  problems for future generations but if they have no children they aren't going to care . I certainly have better things to worry about then what's going to happen 5000 years after I'm dead and buried and the affect I can have on it is minimal, although I do try to do my bit.

[Manwell Pablo]

Tell that to the 3079 species already on the red list, mostly due to us poisoning and flattening their habitat.

 

if anything, governments tend to underplay the problem so they can keep landowners, hunters and the logging industry happy.

 

Therefore, I say the honourable thing would be to castrate the people with children. And if they've got more than two, they should be castrated twice.

 

If you're that bothered about over population why don't you do your bit for the environment and throw yourself of a bridge.

[OzFox]

If you're that bothered about over population why don't you do your bit for the environment and throw yourself of a bridge.

 

Seeing as you're so lacking in humour, maybe you'd like to come and join me?

[Manwell Pablo]

Seeing as you're so lacking in humour, maybe you'd like to come and join me?

 

Nah you're alright, I don't give a shit that it's over populated!

[DennisNedry]

You are going to have to justify that comment a bit there. In what way is it a good thing?

 

Just to clarify there are about 1 billion people in Africa, so less than in India and much less than China, or do you think that limiting Asian population is also a good thing? How about the Americas, just under 1 billion.

 

And "anything" that limits the African population, does that include war, genocide, forced sterilisation, how about rounding them up and throwing them in gas chambers?

 

But Africa has the poorest people in the world and they have to go through horrible living conditions. Limiting their population is good for them because obviously the little money and resources they do have isn't stretched as far. Africa needs to move away from the current 'have 10 children and hope 2 survive' to 'have 2 children and ensure both survive'. Of course that is harder said than done but I don't see why providing contraception and education to the popualtion is going to hurt at all.

As for India, Asia and the Americas; yes their population is too high as well but they are developed enough to make a contribution to the world. Be that anything from mass manufacturing to sending educated doctors to Europe. Unlike in Africa, you can't just go into Brazil and start handing out condoms. Africa is a special case in this sense that is essentially in anarchy with no leaders, no direction and virtually no progress towards development.

[Captain...]

But Africa has the poorest people in the world and they have to go through horrible living conditions. Limiting their population is good for them because obviously the little money and resources they do have isn't stretched as far. Africa needs to move away from the current 'have 10 children and hope 2 survive' to 'have 2 children and ensure both survive'. Of course that is harder said than done but I don't see why providing contraception and education to the popualtion is going to hurt at all.

As for India, Asia and the Americas; yes their population is too high as well but they are developed enough to make a contribution to the world. Be that anything from mass manufacturing to sending educated doctors to Europe. Unlike in Africa, you can't just go into Brazil and start handing out condoms. Africa is a special case in this sense that is essentially in anarchy with no leaders, no direction and virtually no progress towards development.

 

Fair enough, that is not how it originally sounded. The problem is that advances in medicine in Africa will have the opposite effect and will most likely cause a population boom as people will still have lots of kids, but the majority will survive. Not that we shouldn't be looking to do that, but it will have adverse effects in the long run.

 

To be honest I'm not entirely sure about this Bill Gates vaccination program and what El Empty has against it.

[OzFox]

Fair enough, that is not how it originally sounded. The problem is that advances in medicine in Africa will have the opposite effect and will most likely cause a population boom as people will still have lots of kids, but the majority will survive. Not that we shouldn't be looking to do that, but it will have adverse effects in the long run.

 

To be honest I'm not entirely sure about this Bill Gates vaccination program and what El Empty has against it.

 

Me neither. I was under the impression Gates has donated a small fortune to combat malaria. In which case he's doing more than most to keep Africans alive

[Mike Oxlong]

Oz, - malaria carrying flies.

Kill or don't kill?

[OzFox]

Oz, - malaria carrying flies.

Kill or don't kill?

 

Flies don't carry malaria

 

It's an interesting question though, as mosquitoes carry a lot of diseases, kill a lot of people and cost us a fortune in health care. I bet if we wiped them out tomorrow, we'd just open the door to something even worse and probably knock off a load of other animals that feed on them.

[Mike Oxlong]

Flies don't carry malaria

 

It's an interesting question though, as mosquitoes carry a lot of diseases, kill a lot of people and cost us a fortune in health care. I bet if we wiped them out tomorrow, we'd just open the door to something even worse and probably knock off a load of other animals that feed on them.

Ha, ha you're right. I hate flies .... but I hate mozzies even more.

Just curious whether you think it permissible to kill disease carrying insects that harm/kill animals or humans.

[James.]

But Africa has the poorest people in the world and they have to go through horrible living conditions. Limiting their population is good for them because obviously the little money and resources they do have isn't stretched as far. Africa needs to move away from the current 'have 10 children and hope 2 survive' to 'have 2 children and ensure both survive'. Of course that is harder said than done but I don't see why providing contraception and education to the popualtion is going to hurt at all.

As for India, Asia and the Americas; yes their population is too high as well but they are developed enough to make a contribution to the world. Be that anything from mass manufacturing to sending educated doctors to Europe. Unlike in Africa, you can't just go into Brazil and start handing out condoms. Africa is a special case in this sense that is essentially in anarchy with no leaders, no direction and virtually no progress towards development.

 

 

I think a big problem is people's attitudes as well.

 

"Africa is a special case in this sense that is essentially in anarchy with no leaders, no direction and virtually no progress towards development"

 

You do realise how much of a sweeping generalisation that is right?

[OzFox]

Ha, ha you're right. I hate flies .... but I hate mozzies even more.

Just curious whether you think it permissible to kill disease carrying insects that harm/kill animals or humans.

 

Dunno really. Like I said they do a lot of damage. I tend to leave them alone in Sydney, but when I'm up north where there's dengue I'll give 'em a whack like everyone else

[Mike Oxlong]

No, i dont really differentiate between any living creature, if it can feel pain, then i dont believe i have the right to hurt it.

Dunno really. Like I said they do a lot of damage. I tend to leave them alone in Sydney, but when I'm up north where there's dengue I'll give 'em a whack like everyone else

The reason I asked is because of the sentiment set out in the first post. Not having a dig - just curious.

You could argue that insects may not feel pain but is it right to kill or injure them regardless of that

[OzFox]

 

 

The reason I asked is because of the sentiment set out in the first post. Not having a dig - just curious.

 

You've quoted ozleicester. He's west coast. They're hard core animal lovers over there. He probably keeps malaria riddled mosquitoes as pets

[Mike Oxlong]

You've quoted ozleicester. He's west coast. They're hard core animal lovers over there. He probably keeps malaria riddled mosquitoes as pets

So I have.

With all you Oz's I should change my name to Ozlong.

Anyway, if the other Oz reads this I'd be interested to hear his response to my original question but thanks for putting me right you killer:-)

[OzFox]

So I have.

With all you Oz's I should change my name to Ozlong.

Anyway, if the other Oz reads this I'd be interested to hear his response to my original question but thanks for putting me right you killer:-)

 

 

Actually I'd be curious to know ozleicester's response too. Mosquitoes are a bit of a special case. They infect something like 250 million people a year and cause a lot of suffering. But on the other hand they're a food source to god knows how many fish and birds and they polinate plants, so polishing them all off wouldn't be a good idea

[Captain...]

 

Actually I'd be curious to know ozleicester's response too. Mosquitoes are a bit of a special case. They infect something like 250 million people a year and cause a lot of suffering. But on the other hand they're a food source to god knows how many fish and birds and they polinate plants, so polishing them all off wouldn't be a good idea

 

I read somewhere that exterminating all mosquitoes would have no negative impact on the environment and ecosystems. I don't know if it is true but apparently they did studies.

 

As for Oz Leicester, he has stated a number of times in this thread that if it was a choice between an animal or a human he would kill the animal, so I'm sure he would have no problem killing a mozzie if he thought it might cause him or his loved ones serious harm, as in malaria.