Animal rights

[Rincewind]

Who the **** rides a horse to McDonalds? You'd get chop-shopped by the staff the moment you dismounted.

Wasn't there a Phunny story about a woman that complained of being turned away because they wouldn't let her inside with it?

[The Doctor]

I haven't a clue, I know of the drunk woman who stole a yacht shouting about being Jack Sparrow, but that's it.

[Rincewind]

Never mind too late to search for it now. Someone said she was a chav.

[Guest MattP]

Never mind too late to search for it now. Someone said she was a chav.

 

Surely it would be gypo if she was taking a horse into maccys?

[The Doctor]

Surely it would be gypo if she was taking a horse into maccys?

 

Or an Amish person - I think it depends on whether it has a carriage attached.

[Rincewind]

Yes I know but I didn't want to be the one using the word gypo.

[Guest MattP]

Yes I know but I didn't want to be the one using the word gypo.

 

Pikey?

[The Doctor]

Is pike a good eating fish then?

[cambridgefox]

Is pike a good eating fish then?

no,very muddy and loads of bones so I here.Doesnt stop cvnts ruining my fishing by dead lining( loads of hooks spanning the river) and killing loads of them.Although a ferocious predator they are a delicate fish and must be handled with care...........bored yet?i know you were joking,but you just reminded me.

[Zingari]

Pikelets are lovely , are they the baby ones ?

[Jimothy]

[The People's Hero]

I assume the point has been made and remade that meat is absolutely delicious?

I have a lot of respect for vegetarians. It must take a lot of willpower. I don't think I could do it. As with all life choices though, that respect disappears when you start preaching to me about decisions you've made.

Fine don't have the bacon. I still will. I may eat twice as much.... More than I want, just to canc out your non eating.

[Darkon84]

I assume the point has been made and remade that meat is absolutely delicious?

I have a lot of respect for vegetarians. It must take a lot of willpower. I don't think I could do it. As with all life choices though, that respect disappears when you start preaching to me about decisions you've made.

Fine don't have the bacon. I still will. I may eat twice as much.... More than I want, just to canc out your non eating.

 

Bugger, sorry TPH, didn't mean to +1 you, meant to quote .

 

Was just going to say, most of them aren't spurred on by willpower, but more by the opportunity to be smug and pretend to be better than you or I.

[OzFox]

Bugger, sorry TPH, didn't mean to +1 you, meant to quote .

 

Was just going to say, most of them aren't spurred on by willpower, but more by the opportunity to be smug and pretend to be better than you or I.

 

I doubt that somehow. I only know half a dozen "veggies" but they're all motivated by the poor treatment of animals in factory farms and/or the way they are slaughtered. Plus I know one guy who just doesn't like the taste of meat.

 

All this seems reasonable enough to me. What I find really weird is the people who say they're going to carry on eating meat because they're being "preached at". Sounds like a cop out to me.

[The Doctor]

eh, I'd probably carry on eating meat anyway, tried veggie for a week and not my style, but you can't deny that being preached at rather than them having a reasonable discussion makes you less likely to give two shits about their opinion - not just talking about animal rights here, but with everything: I tend to care less what people have to say when they're ranting and raving in my face; hence why I'm not keen on the SWP despite sitting fairly close to them politically, because the ones I've met seem to be irritating twats with no clue what they're talking about.

 

Have a serious discussion about the morality of eating meat and I'd at least hear you out. I'd probably then go out and have a few bacon sarnies and remind myself that we're top of the food chain and should act like it, but I'd likely not just make some joke retort about how if you want to save animals you should stop eating their food.

[Captain...]

eh, I'd probably carry on eating meat anyway, tried veggie for a week and not my style, but you can't deny that being preached at rather than them having a reasonable discussion makes you less likely to give two shits about their opinion - not just talking about animal rights here, but with everything: I tend to care less what people have to say when they're ranting and raving in my face; hence why I'm not keen on the SWP despite sitting fairly close to them politically, because the ones I've met seem to be irritating twats with no clue what they're talking about.

Have a serious discussion about the morality of eating meat and I'd at least hear you out. I'd probably then go out and have a few bacon sarnies and remind myself that we're top of the food chain and should act like it, but I'd likely not just make some joke retort about how if you want to save animals you should stop eating their food.

In relation to this thread though, serious discussion got derailed by people posting pictures of steaks and using the fact that ozLeicester has a house cat as a means to invalidate any argument. Hate being preached at, love an informed and challenging debate. This thread was fun until it got hijacked.

[The Doctor]

In relation to this thread though, serious discussion got derailed by people posting pictures of steaks and using the fact that ozLeicester has a house cat as a means to invalidate any argument. Hate being preached at, love an informed and challenging debate. This thread was fun until it got hijacked.

 

Well, it sort of does. He's happy to keep an animal in slavery and if I remember rightly he doesn't even feed it right (cats have to eat meat) - it's hypocrisy at it's finest. Why is it fine to keep animals but not to eat them and kill them (as, I might add, we are set-up to do: we were herbivores for a while, living off nuts, grains and fruit, but that's in the long distant past - modern humans are omnivorous, no question about it).

[Mark_w]

Why is it fine to keep animals but not to eat them and kill them?

 

I honestly can't quite believe I just read that.

 

I'm not saying keeping an animal is perfectly fine, but to imply that keeping an animal and killing an animal are remotely similar is just ****ing ridiculous. One can result in a perfectly content animal living for years, the other always results in the death of an innocent animal.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Not read one full page but really animals shouldnt have rights.

I've no qualms in them having testing taken place on them for our benefit.

[The Doctor]

I honestly can't quite believe I just read that.

 

I'm not saying keeping an animal is perfectly fine, but to imply that keeping an animal and killing an animal are remotely similar is just ****ing ridiculous. One can result in a perfectly content animal living for years, the other always results in the death of an innocent animal.

 

Or to put it another way - one is the forced captivity of a wild animal, the other is the basic fulfilment of nature. We are top of the food chain and eat what is below us, there's far better argument for eating animals than there is for keeping them.

 

 

I'm fine with keeping animals, but to suggest that keeping them (and in Oz's case, mistreating them) is fine, but eating animals is not is the basest sentimentality, it is a child at prayer. And now to conclude why eating animals should be compulsory:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSLQu-d6ZQ

[Mark_w]

There's far better argument for eating animals than there is for keeping them.

 

Is there?

Because the argument put forward in this thread by meat eaters has basically boiled down to 'we've always done it' and 'they're tasty'. I don't think that's a particularly convincing argument, I certainly don't think it justifies the mass murder of creatures like you or I. Where as keeping animals as pets can offer clear benefits to both the person and the animal.

[The Doctor]

Is there?

Because the argument put forward in this thread by meat eaters has basically boiled down to 'we've always done it' and 'they're tasty'. I don't think that's a particularly convincing argument, I certainly don't think it justifies the mass murder of creatures like you or I. Where as keeping animals as pets can offer clear benefits to both the person and the animal.

Well, that we've the digestive system of an omnivore seems a decent argument,since it means we're geared to eat meat.

[Mark_w]

Well, that we've the digestive system of an omnivore seems a decent argument,since it means we're geared to eat meat.

 

That's proof that we can do it, not that we should do it. We can murder humans, but we shouldn't. We can eat humans, but we shouldn't. Being capable of it isn't a good enough reason to do it, it's just a lazy argument put forward by someone who likes eating meat but can't really justify it.

[The Doctor]

That's proof that we can do it, not that we should do it. We can murder humans, but we shouldn't. We can eat humans, but we shouldn't. Being capable of it isn't a good enough reason to do it, it's just a lazy argument put forward by someone who likes eating meat but can't really justify it.

 

No, it's proof that meat is a part of a proper human diet - ergo, we should eat meat, because it's supposed to be part of our diet.

[Mark_w]

No, it's proof that meat is a part of a proper human diet - ergo, we should eat meat, because it's supposed to be part of our diet.

 

Human beings can survive perfectly well without eating meat, as well as any meat eating human does, whether or not our bodies were built to do so really isn't relevant any more. Surely when we're capable of living without eating meat we shouldn't continue to do it because we're capable of doing it or because we're geared to do it. There needs to be a better reason than that.