Manwell Pablo Posted 16 May 2013 Posted 16 May 2013 Im not completely up to date on the efficacy of rescue dogs versus technology so i cannot say that more or less lives would be saved. However, i can say without doubt that less animals would die if we did not use them. I think thats pretty clear. Seriously?, you thought that i meant that rescue dogs were just St Bernards?.. My point is....You are now an adult and allowed to make your choices as to how you spend your life. The guide dogs etc do not have that choice. Certainly most guide dogs lead wonderful lives and form a close loving relationship with their owner, the facts of the matter are, guide dogs, army dogs, cadaver dogs etc etc are not given a choice. Mind you... then this sort of shit happens http://www.gloucestercitynews.net/clearysnotebook/2013/04/blind-womans-healthy-guide-dog-is-killed-and-buried-alongside-her-in-fulfilment-of-her-dying-wish-mail-online.html?cid=6a00d8341bf7d953ef017eea1d647a970d Nazi - esque Im not sure you even understand what you are thinking let alone writing. Nazi?.. you dick! Lets be very clear, i began this thread called "animal rights" because on a couple of occasions there had been other threads that drifted off topic due to discussions about cruelty and animal rights. Rather than have these discussions (irrelevant to other topics) popping up all over the place i started this thread. Unlike some childish, obsessive little people. I,(in the main) restrict my animal rights discussions and opinions to this thread. which, makes it incredibly easy to avoid if you dont wish to discuss it, or your little mind is fearful of being "patronised" by the big bad vegetarian. If we do not keep animals as pets they will look after themselves in much the same way as the billions of wild creatures currently wandering the earth do. (Please note in case you havent read back through the topic, this is not an instant end to pets, but a long... long term gradual movement, there will not be millions of cute kitten and puppies thrown onto the streets to starve). I have explained this over many many posts, but some people dont seem to be able to comprehend the concept. Yes, you are very correct and i am in awe of, and hold incredible respect for those men and women who risk their lives, their bravery is something i am constantly amazed by. The difference is... they choose to do it, they understand the risks they take, the dogs do not. Apologies, i took it as a statement. Chickens dont differ enormously from Pheasants and thousands of other bird varieties, some will be taken by foxes and that is the "nature" of things. They are fee to live their life. As i have said, the existing chickens should not just be turfed out onto the streets, but over a long...long.. time frame we should stop producing them for our pleasure and benefit. Well for someone who's not up to date you seem to think you know an awful lot about it? A minute ago dogs were most definitley not as efficient as technology now you're not sure as your not up to speed? Typical lack of consistancy from the resident vegan. Let me help you out. Dogs are extremly efficient, a quick google search, you know, like the ones you do to get your opinions and arguements, will back me up, will show you they save probably thousands of lives every year, yes animals probably would die and they you can answer the question instead of avoiding like a back bench politician. As I've said before, you comapred meat eaters to Nazi's first so don't get all upperty about the use of such a comparison. I am more than happy to show why you are much closer to Nazism than us. your opinions are dangerous, extreme, poorly thought out, and would cost thousands if not millions of human lives, cripple the world economy, and lower the overal standard of living of the human race whether you implement them now or over time, and would do more damage than national socialisem ever did. We've been through the spanish flu thing but allow me to do it again. I know you like your websites so here is one, point 48 http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/07/19_flu.html Flu vaccine comes from chickens, there is no alterantive, yes there is work to change this, but no one knows if it will ever be succesful or effective, so until/or even if it is, your vision is completley unplausible. Premature babys who cannot tolerate Soy Milk and are unable to breast feed would suffer from health problems or die http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20080505/bringing-up-baby-with-soy-formula and our latest little arguement about dogs also resulting in the loss of human life, did you know one rescue dog was responsible for saving 30 lives post 9/11 Oz? Then there is the fact the many adults just aren't physically able to lead happy healthy lives on vegan diets due to one health condition or another, even it it's as little as 1%, your condeming 6 million adults in the UK alone to shortened, miserable lives. You talk of choice, you are removing it from the human race and giving it to creatures incapable of rational decision making, you are not pro animal rights you are anti human rights. Sort of puts your crazy one off stories about buried guide dogs in perspective doesn't it. Dogs you seem to think "they will look after themselves" is an arguement sadly for you it is not, billions of creatures survive in the wild because that is what they are, wild, dogs are domestic cats are not. You have never explained how or when either immediatley or over time these animals will make the transition from tame to wild, how this transition will be handled and how these dogs will adapt from having spent years as tame creatures to going back to being wild, because you have no idea, you have NO implementation plan for who these creatures will survive at all and as a result they probably wont. Anyway Apology accepted, I hope you've learnt something from this i.e next time you try and cute and patronising in making remarks like "This is what we call a statement" make sure what your saying isn't totally incorrect to avoid embarrassing yourself.
ozleicester Posted 17 May 2013 Author Posted 17 May 2013 Well for someone who's not up to date you seem to think you know an awful lot about it? A minute ago dogs were most definitley not as efficient as technology now you're not sure as your not up to speed? Typical lack of consistancy from the resident vegan. Let me help you out. Dogs are extremly efficient, a quick google search, you know, like the ones you do to get your opinions and arguements, will back me up, will show you they save probably thousands of lives every year, yes animals probably would die and they you can answer the question instead of avoiding like a back bench politician. As I've said before, you comapred meat eaters to Nazi's first so don't get all upperty about the use of such a comparison. . your opinions are dangerous, extreme, poorly thought out, and would cost thousands if not millions of human lives, cripple the world economy, and lower the overal standard of living of the human race whether you implement them now or over time, and would do more damage than national socialisem ever did. We've been through the spanish flu thing but allow me to do it again. I know you like your websites so here is one, point 48 http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/07/19_flu.html Flu vaccine comes from chickens, there is no alterantive, yes there is work to change this, but no one knows if it will ever be succesful or effective, so until/or even if it is, your vision is completley unplausible. Premature babys who cannot tolerate Soy Milk and are unable to breast feed would suffer from health problems or die http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20080505/bringing-up-baby-with-soy-formula and our latest little arguement about dogs also resulting in the loss of human life, did you know one rescue dog was responsible for saving 30 lives post 9/11 Oz? Then there is the fact the many adults just aren't physically able to lead happy healthy lives on vegan diets due to one health condition or another, even it it's as little as 1%, your condeming 6 million adults in the UK alone to shortened, miserable lives. You talk of choice, you are removing it from the human race and giving it to creatures incapable of rational decision making, you are not pro animal rights you are anti human rights. Sort of puts your crazy one off stories about buried guide dogs in perspective doesn't it. Dogs you seem to think "they will look after themselves" is an arguement sadly for you it is not, billions of creatures survive in the wild because that is what they are, wild, dogs are domestic cats are not. You have never explained how or when either immediatley or over time these animals will make the transition from tame to wild, how this transition will be handled and how these dogs will adapt from having spent years as tame creatures to going back to being wild, because you have no idea, you have NO implementation plan for who these creatures will survive at all and as a result they probably wont. Anyway Apology accepted, I hope you've learnt something from this i.e next time you try and cute and patronising in making remarks like "This is what we call a statement" make sure what your saying isn't totally incorrect to avoid embarrassing yourself You have no idea how many they save, "they probably" isnt an accurate number, if you want to go down this path, you really need to at least some research or figures. As it stands animals die unnecessarily. i did not compare meat eaters to Nazis "I am more than happy to show why you are much closer to Nazism than us" ..... Please do... how very interesting, and who exactly is this "us" that you write on behalf of You have tried in the past to "prove" your opinions and failed, just writing long, wordy crap filled paragraphs does not prove anything. The whole flu and prem babies discussion has been had and im not going to waste my time explaining it to you again...oh and 6 Million adults (did you really think that 6 million is correct?) in the UK alone yet another example of your flimsy and completely WRONG information another one of your "facts" that has no basis. On just about every page of this thread I have stated that animals should not be killed or treated cruelly for human pleasure and i have stated time and time and time again that i put human rights ahead of animals rights.
OzFox Posted 17 May 2013 Posted 17 May 2013 A petition for you to sign oz, if you're interested http://support.wwf.org.au/landclearing.html
Manwell Pablo Posted 17 May 2013 Posted 17 May 2013 You have no idea how many they save, "they probably" isnt an accurate number, if you want to go down this path, you really need to at least some research or figures. As it stands animals die unnecessarily. i did not compare meat eaters to Nazis "I am more than happy to show why you are much closer to Nazism than us" ..... Please do... how very interesting, and who exactly is this "us" that you write on behalf of You have tried in the past to "prove" your opinions and failed, just writing long, wordy crap filled paragraphs does not prove anything. The whole flu and prem babies discussion has been had and im not going to waste my time explaining it to you again...oh and 6 Million adults (did you really think that 6 million is correct?) in the UK alone yet another example of your flimsy and completely WRONG information another one of your "facts" that has no basis. On just about every page of this thread I have stated that animals should not be killed or treated cruelly for human pleasure and i have stated time and time and time again that i put human rights ahead of animals rights. Oh dear what a completely empty and resigned post ok thousands probably isn't an accurate number. It's going to be more than one that's all I'm interested in, we know it was at least 30 from one dog in 2011. And you want them removing, so you support human death Now you've taken to lieing? What i hear... You haven't explained anything, you've been argued back everytime and lost your rag and not offered a decent counter arguement, you've offered an arguement granted, but they're all terrible. You can say you stand for human rights over animal rights but you wont alter your opinions that would result in human death and suffering so basically you talk bollocks..... Anyway I think that's enough of making you look silly for a few weeks. Enjoy posting more stuff nobody cares about. (I take it you're still working on your implementaion plan for reintroducing dogs and cats into the wild hence why you've not posted it)
Houdini Logic Posted 17 May 2013 Posted 17 May 2013 On just about every page of this thread I have stated that animals should not be killed or treated cruelly for human pleasure This is the part that I just don't get. Do you not understand that unless you live as a nomad, eating off the land, that there's always an element of this and it's just the scale that varies?!
theessexfox Posted 19 May 2013 Posted 19 May 2013 Apologies, i took it as a statement. Chickens dont differ enormously from Pheasants and thousands of other bird varieties, some will be taken by foxes and that is the "nature" of things. They are fee to live their life. As i have said, the existing chickens should not just be turfed out onto the streets, but over a long...long.. time frame we should stop producing them for our pleasure and benefit. Apology accepted, ambiguity is at its worst over the internet . I guess this is a case of agree to disagree, as I believe that keeping chickens in a nicely sized garden with bushes and plants to explore, food to eat and a very high chance of survival is better for the animal than having a lower chance of survival due to being easily susceptible to fox attacks. You clearly feel the opposite. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned, but what are your opinions on zoos and such conservation areas? (In cases where the animals in question are endangered species.)
ozleicester Posted 12 June 2013 Author Posted 12 June 2013 Tasty http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/06/06/technology-schmeat-in-vitro-meat-burger.html Apology accepted, ambiguity is at its worst over the internet . I guess this is a case of agree to disagree, as I believe that keeping chickens in a nicely sized garden with bushes and plants to explore, food to eat and a very high chance of survival is better for the animal than having a lower chance of survival due to being easily susceptible to fox attacks. You clearly feel the opposite. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned, but what are your opinions on zoos and such conservation areas? (In cases where the animals in question are endangered species.) Actually, no i dont feel the opposite, if the creatures are leading a good, healthy, life then im all good with that (not that my opinion really matters), my only concern is where animals are mistreated and killed for our pleasure. I am generally opposed to Zoos and their use of animals for entertainment, however most have or are changing toward a research and conservation model and that is a good thing.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 12 June 2013 Posted 12 June 2013 In a nutshell. Stuff human rights! Give me animal rights any day. .
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 July 2013 Posted 5 July 2013 I'd just like to announce I'm having a BBQ tomorrow.
OzFox Posted 13 July 2013 Posted 13 July 2013 Revenge of the Cows http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2361753/Running-Bulls-2013-Horrific-scenes-Pamplona-3-men-brutally-gored.html Must say that light brown bull has got good taste.
ozleicester Posted 14 July 2013 Author Posted 14 July 2013 We all want to help the planet. But how? The answer could be sitting right in front of us—three times a day. By going vegetarian, we can help prevent global warming, rainforest destruction, and pollution, while saving water and other precious resources. In fact, raising animals for food produces more greenhouse gas emissions than all of the cars, planes, and other forms of transportation combined. There has never been a better time to go green by eating green. To produce one pound of animal protein vs. one pound of soy protein, it takes about 12 times as much land, 13 times as much fossil fuel, and 15 times as much water. http://www.chooseveg.com/environment
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 Is it weird for a dog to eat anything that moves? One I have looked after eats everything from frogs to spiders.
sphericalfox Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 Is it weird for a dog to eat anything that moves? One I have looked after eats everything from frogs to spiders. do you live in a swamp?
OzFox Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 Is it weird for a dog to eat anything that moves? One I have looked after eats everything from frogs to spiders. It probably figured you were going to eat all the red meat, so it should grab whatever it could
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 It probably figured you were going to eat all the red meat, so it should grab whatever it could When I look after him he eats better than most humans. Fillet steak one night and I always make sure he has some meat. Seriously though is it weird for a dog to eat the world?
OzFox Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 When I look after him he eats better than most humans. Fillet steak one night and I always make sure he has some meat. Seriously though is it weird for a dog to eat the world? No quite common I think. Does it eat cats? I could use a dog like that.
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 July 2013 Posted 15 July 2013 We all want to help the planet. But how? The answer could be sitting right in front of us—three times a day. By going vegetarian, we can help prevent global warming, rainforest destruction, and pollution, while saving water and other precious resources. In fact, raising animals for food produces more greenhouse gas emissions than all of the cars, planes, and other forms of transportation combined. There has never been a better time to go green by eating green. To produce one pound of animal protein vs. one pound of soy protein, it takes about 12 times as much land, 13 times as much fossil fuel, and 15 times as much water. http://www.chooseveg.com/environment If you want to make a real difference to the environment, sell your car.
Rincewind Posted 15 July 2013 Posted 15 July 2013 First thing I noticed about that was the music. You get the 'aaahhh poor thing' treatment. Second the bull is laying down and being groomed. Not saying the alternative was better but the video is intended to convert and watch and ad made by a charity be it animal or human will have the same format. Sentimental.
ozleicester Posted 15 July 2013 Author Posted 15 July 2013 If you want to make a real difference to the environment, sell your car. Switching to a diet free of meat, dairy, and eggs saves more carbon emissions than driving a Prius. How much more? 50% more!
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