undey Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Probably going to get abuse for this but here goes! Ok so I am here thinking of a potential starting 11 against Peterborough and coming up with a decent squad which I believe is very capable! Schmeichel, De Laet, Morgan, Whitbread, Konchesky, Knockaert, Drinkwater, Danns, Marshall, Nugent, Vardy. Then I come to think of who I have left out and think of Futacs, James, King, Beckford Dyer. All players who I think would get into a championship squad. So here are my points, 1. Some of the left out players are new signings who I can't imagine will be pleased to join a new club and sit straight to the bench! 2. I can see this leading to more fallouts like last season and bringing a hostile squad environment which obviously isn't going to help! My conclusion, move on players such as King (yes the player we were worried about losing to a premier league club this time last year for a couple of million! Wasn't that million dollar man this season was he?) Gallagher aswell, yes he scores a Marshall goal every now and again but no consistency. I believe we are entering a new era and want to let these once good servants to our wonderful club move on and let us fulfill our goal of reaching the top flight of English football! But hey ho in Nigel and 'Shakey' we trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 To be fair, all the new signings will know about the competition for places. Also, I think they will know that they may sit on the bench. I can't see it leading too many fallouts really, I mean, surely all the players know we have a squad. We can't play them all. If they want to play, they'll have to work hard to impress, which I can't personally see anything wrong with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelcfc Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Bet this turns into a 'Beckford out thread'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty78 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Probably going to get abuse for this but here goes! Ok so I am here thinking of a potential starting 11 against Peterborough and coming up with a decent squad which I believe is very capable! Schmeichel, De Laet, Morgan, Whitbread, Konchesky, Knockaert, Drinkwater, Danns, Marshall, Nugent, Vardy. Then I come to think of who I have left out and think of Futacs, James, King, Beckford Dyer. All players who I think would get into a championship squad. So here are my points, 1. Some of the left out players are new signings who I can't imagine will be pleased to join a new club and sit straight to the bench! 2. I can see this leading to more fallouts like last season and bringing a hostile squad environment which obviously isn't going to help! My conclusion, move on players such as King (yes the player we were worried about losing to a premier league club this time last year for a couple of million! Wasn't that million dollar man this season was he?) Gallagher aswell, yes he scores a Marshall goal every now and again but no consistency. I believe we are entering a new era and want to let these once good servants to our wonderful club move on and let us fulfill our goal of reaching the top flight of English football! But hey ho in Nigel and 'Shakey' we trust! You seem to presume that we will use the same eleven every week. So King "our once good servant" should be repaid for that service by moving him on after one poor season in which we had a number of under performers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Fox Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Cash money. That's all they need. Nobody gives a f*uck sitting on the bench picking up a fat paycheck each week. Football is a shallow business my friend. Most players will get a game at some point. Rotation man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undey Posted 9 August 2012 Author Share Posted 9 August 2012 Sorry 'stevelcfc' don't think I mentioned Beckford to go I personally like him! And the other guy about same 11 don't you want to see consistency and a strong squad we are all familiar with! Southampton played pretty much the same 11 each week providing fitness? Yes we aren't Southampton but they got promoted and we didn't.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 The OP you do realise it is a squad game first team players may loose form have injuries so we need those players otherwise we are depending on youth team players and that isn't the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undey Posted 9 August 2012 Author Share Posted 9 August 2012 And you'd rather see king of last season ahead of Danns, Drinkwater and Marshall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Why do we need to move anyone on? We've got a really good looking squad now with quality throughout - the players know they aren't going to be getting games every week and no player is guarenteed a starting berth, except perhaps Schmeichel and Morgan. I think the squad is just about right now, there's enough cover to see us through even the most serious injury crisis and the players we've added all seem to add quality to the overall squad. Say if we sell Gallagher and then Marshall breaks his leg and is out for half a season? What would we do then? Say we have a couple of injuries and suspensions in midfield and we've sold King, what will we do then? You say you want to move them on to 'let us fulfill our goal' of getting promoted to the PL - my question would be, how exactly are they stopping us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undey Posted 9 August 2012 Author Share Posted 9 August 2012 I agree Happy Fox but if players don't lose form which is too good to be true and we are lucky with injuries for once what then? I think in some areas we need to keep them such as defence if you look at the current situation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose2010 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 you cant win a league with 11 players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undey Posted 9 August 2012 Author Share Posted 9 August 2012 IndieRich I suppose but what if the players who you say can fill in don't end up filling in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 And the other guy about same 11 don't you want to see consistency and a strong squad we are all familiar with! Southampton played pretty much the same 11 each week providing fitness? Yes we aren't Southampton but they got promoted and we didn't.. So if Nugent plays 15 games and doesn't score we should stick with him regardless? If Danns misplaces every single pass and gives away posession every time he's on the ball, we should stick with him for consistency? Have a word with yourself. And you'd rather see king of last season ahead of Danns, Drinkwater and Marshall? Well for one, Marshall is a winger, so no - I wouldn't want to see King getting in the team ahead of him. I'd rather have the King of the three seasons before last season in the side over those two any day of the week. One bad season doesn't make you a bad player, form is temporary, class is permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 IndieRich I suppose but what if the players who you say can fill in don't end up filling in? What does that even mean? Gallagher and King have proven time and again that they are quality players at this level, despite what anyone says about them. Their goal and assist records prove that. They've both certainly got their faults, but if they were perfect they'd be playing at a higher level than this for sure. So I suppose you'd rather sell them and throw some untried, untested youth team player in? And that's going to win us the league is it? A strong SQUAD is absolutely key in this league - something we've not really had for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty78 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Sorry 'stevelcfc' don't think I mentioned Beckford to go I personally like him! And the other guy about same 11 don't you want to see consistency and a strong squad we are all familiar with! Southampton played pretty much the same 11 each week providing fitness? Yes we aren't Southampton but they got promoted and we didn't.. And you'd rather see king of last season ahead of Danns, Drinkwater and Marshall? Rather keep King than Beckford, although I don't want to see him leave either. Marshall doesn't play the same position and what if Drinkwater and Danns suffer lengthy injury? IndieRich I suppose but what if the players who you say can fill in don't end up filling in? That would be the appropriate time to think about selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undey Posted 9 August 2012 Author Share Posted 9 August 2012 IndieRich wow surprised you didn't get the England job with you tactical awareness and excellent sporting quotes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undey Posted 9 August 2012 Author Share Posted 9 August 2012 Haha you wait until you see Knockaert tearing up those wings then you will be thinking Paul who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 And you'd rather see king of last season ahead of Danns, Drinkwater and Marshall? Well a fit andy king that got double figures from midfield YES maybe I would, I've seen nothing from drinkwater yet to suggest he is a better player and everton weren't interested for nothing, I personally have said all along he would suit everton, playing in the old tim cahill role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 We've shipped over 20 out from our bloated, uncompetitive & often unhappy on the fringes squad already since Pearson came back. I think we're about right, any lighter & we'll struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty78 Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Haha you wait until you see Knockaert tearing up those wings then you will be thinking Paul who? And if he gets injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 IndieRich I suppose but what if the players who you say can fill in don't end up filling in? Are you saying that if they could fill in, there is no need to move anyone on? If so then your original point should maybe have been, do we need to replace/upgrade some of our back up players, rather than just move some on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 For the umpteeth time, you can not sell players like cattle. You can't just say, 'Player X, you are off'. Players don't necessarily want to move whether it be family, money or just being happy at a club. Also a player will very rarely request to leave as he loses his loyalty bonus. A manager has to be careful who he sells too. Gallagher is clearly a massive part of team morale, so you sell him you disrupt team spirit. Cazorla is apparently only picked for the Spain for that reason (he rarely gets more than 90 mins in a team full of midfield talent). Dyer is a honest, hard worker despite his limitations...you sell him it sets a standard that hard-workers get nowhere. Similarly the same thing works with Mills, upsets manager...manager gets rid asserting his ruthless streak to rest of squad. Length of contracts plays a part too and was a clear reason for Peltier's depature; twelve months on his contract with interest from elsewhere. It is not simple to sell and buy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 For the umpteeth time, you can not sell players like cattle. You can't just say, 'Player X, you are off'. Players don't necessarily want to move whether it be family, money or just being happy at a club. Also a player will very rarely request to leave as he loses his loyalty bonus. A manager has to be careful who he sells too. Gallagher is clearly a massive part of team morale, so you sell him you disrupt team spirit. Cazorla is apparently only picked for the Spain for that reason (he rarely gets more than 90 mins in a team full of midfield talent). Dyer is a honest, hard worker despite his limitations...you sell him it sets a standard that hard-workers get nowhere. Similarly the same thing works with Mills, upsets manager...manager gets rid asserting his ruthless streak to rest of squad. Length of contracts plays a part too and was a clear reason for Peltier's depature; twelve months on his contract with interest from elsewhere. It is not simple to sell and buy players. It is on Football Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Claw II Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 Agree For the umpteeth time, you can not sell players like cattle. You can't just say, 'Player X, you are off'. Players don't necessarily want to move whether it be family, money or just being happy at a club. Also a player will very rarely request to leave as he loses his loyalty bonus. A manager has to be careful who he sells too. Gallagher is clearly a massive part of team morale, so you sell him you disrupt team spirit. Cazorla is apparently only picked for the Spain for that reason (he rarely gets more than 90 mins in a team full of midfield talent). Dyer is a honest, hard worker despite his limitations...you sell him it sets a standard that hard-workers get nowhere. Similarly the same thing works with Mills, upsets manager...manager gets rid asserting his ruthless streak to rest of squad. Length of contracts plays a part too and was a clear reason for Peltier's depature; twelve months on his contract with interest from elsewhere. It is not simple to sell and buy players. This - I'd be pretty happy to keep the squad as is until Christmas and then try to trim then. That said, I can see Wellens and a striker going once it all shakes out after 15 or so games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter The Boss Posted 9 August 2012 Share Posted 9 August 2012 WE NEED A SQUAD Everyone who starts the season with us will have a role to play, whether it's first choice, bench, backup or whatever. The last thing we want is a bare bones squad, or one where players think they are guaranteed a place in the starting 11. That kind of complacency breeds arrogance and failure. We may have a couple of youngsters who go out on loan, but apart from that we have a well balanced squad across most positions now, and in the next 10 months we'll likely need all of them. Players like Gally and King got a lot of stick last season, but nobody can deny that even if they are no longer starting 11 material, they have the ability to change a game off the bench. To start trying to get rid of them or anyone else is naive to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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