Ric Flair Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Nugent is a strong minded character and he's not taken kindly to not playing at other clubs before, some players are like that and it's just how it is. Pearson will know whether he's being petulant or just reacting to not playing etc. I think it's a good thing, but posting things like that on twitter will always cause an over-reaction. It's down to him to force his way in to the team. I felt that towards the end of last season his form dropped, probably due to being relied upon so much last season. If Nigel thinks he's better served being used from the bench at times, then it should be accepted. We've 4 good strikers at this club and a couple of able back-up's, all of them are going to be rotated at times i'm sure of it. He needs to learn how to make an impact from the bench and if he does that he'll be starting again soon anyway. Any highlights on the net yet?
Ric Flair Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Of course they will, don't have to be that strong either. Put 5 in midfield and put pressure on our center mids and we are in trouble. Happened a lot last season and I have no doubt that it will be tried by many teams this. We have to find a way to counter this and so far I have seen no realistic attempt by the management to do this. Didn't go last night and could not be arsed to listen to Stringer. I've said this a hundred times and pople still don't get it....... 4-4-2 with 2 men up and 2 men wide will get us nowhere in this division, I just hope it doesn't take too long for us to learn the lesson, again....... I agree and the key to combatting this must be Ben Marshall and Jamie Vardy. If teams play 5 in midfield and try to dominate the midfield, then Marshall must play behind the striker and Vardy needs to drop out wide, leaving the 3 other midfielders to counter-act the oppositions formation. This means that Knockaert might have to be involved centrally also, or Marshall drops back but both are good tacklers of the ball from what i've seen or heard in Knockaert's case. This must be worked on and intergrated depending on the way teams play against us, it's got to be seemless. If we play on the counter attack as well, with these players it could be devastating which will be a joy to watch.
Babylon Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 So the focus is now on an average 20 minutes and a player tweeting a nothing comment. Rather than the fact we bossed most of the game, scoring 4, with 3 midfielders getting on the scoresheet (when did that last happen), a clean sheet and all in all an encouraging kick off to the season. Ahhhh foxestalk how I missed you.
Kitchandro Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Of course they will, don't have to be that strong either. Put 5 in midfield and put pressure on our center mids and we are in trouble. Happened a lot last season and I have no doubt that it will be tried by many teams this. We have to find a way to counter this and so far I have seen no realistic attempt by the management to do this. Didn't go last night and could not be arsed to listen to Stringer. I've said this a hundred times and pople still don't get it....... 4-4-2 with 2 men up and 2 men wide will get us nowhere in this division, I just hope it doesn't take too long for us to learn the lesson, again....... I'm sure Reading played like that for the majority of last season. If we've got the players for it (which we haven't in recent seasons) there's no reason we can't do well playing that formation.
Fox Ulike Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Nugent apologised for his tweet after he made it, and asked people not to take it out of context. So where’s the problem? I'm really surprised that anyone can be bothered to mention it. Why do some people insist on creating strife where there is none?
Jace Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 So the focus is now on an average 20 minutes and a player tweeting a nothing comment. Rather than the fact we bossed most of the game, scoring 4, with 3 midfielders getting on the scoresheet (when did that last happen), a clean sheet and all in all an encouraging kick off to the season. Ahhhh foxestalk how I missed you. Brilliant, the Torquay fans must be buzzing after last nights performance!
Guest ttfn Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 I've said this a hundred times and pople still don't get it....... 4-4-2 with 2 men up and 2 men wide will get us nowhere in this division, I just hope it doesn't take too long for us to learn the lesson, again....... Surely, to an extent, it depends on who is playing in the "2" in midfield and what the gameplan is. I would rather see us play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 as i think it will give us more tactical flexibility,but 4-4-2 can still work with the right players. Yesterday, a lot of our best moves came from fast counter attacks, where the merits of 4-4-2 are obvious, and if that is going to be our main tactic for the season, why would you need more than 2 centrally? As it was yesterday we had 61% possession according to the BBC. There will, of course, be other games where we'll need more control, and perhaps we'll see 4-3-3 then. To write off 4-4-2 altogether is bonkers though.
Captain... Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Nugent apologised for his tweet after he made it, and asked people not to take it out of context. So where’s the problem? I'm really surprised that anyone can be bothered to mention it. Why do some people insist on creating strife where there is none? You are young (in forum terms only a couple of days since registered you may be 90 for all I know), but you will learn, (by that I mean you will realise that saying we were great and everyone agreeing is not very interesting).
indierich06 Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 If I were manager I'd just put a blanket ban on Twitter, it's just way more trouble than it's worth. Facebook and other social media sites aren't too bad as they're a lot less public and less visible.
Captain... Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Recorded this off SSN with my phone not great, next time I will shut the curtains and put the volume up, but you get the idea. I think this is kinda illegal, so don't spread it around.
Iwan Roberts Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Just asking, but do cup goals count this year then as Beckford is yet to score and Vardy has 1?
marbelladave Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 I agree and the key to combatting this must be Ben Marshall and Jamie Vardy. If teams play 5 in midfield and try to dominate the midfield, then Marshall must play behind the striker and Vardy needs to drop out wide, leaving the 3 other midfielders to counter-act the oppositions formation. This means that Knockaert might have to be involved centrally also, or Marshall drops back but both are good tacklers of the ball from what i've seen or heard in Knockaert's case. This must be worked on and intergrated depending on the way teams play against us, it's got to be seemless. If we play on the counter attack as well, with these players it could be devastating which will be a joy to watch. Whilst I agree entirely this degree of flexibility is pretty much unheard of under NFP, last season we were over run in midfield many times with no attempt to change things tactically. All we got was NFP saying 'we have to work harder'. So the focus is now on an average 20 minutes and a player tweeting a nothing comment. Rather than the fact we bossed most of the game, scoring 4, with 3 midfielders getting on the scoresheet (when did that last happen), a clean sheet and all in all an encouraging kick off to the season. Ahhhh foxestalk how I missed you. I don't think anyone is really criticising last nights performance, we stuffed a modest league 4 outfit which was fine as far as it goes. The point was raised that some people thought we struggled for parity in midfield for the first 20-30 minutes, a worry against such lowly opposition. That problem was commonplace last season and I find any tendency to fall into the same ways disturbing. I did not attend so can not truly say if that was the case last night but some of the comments are very reminiscent of last season. I'm sure Reading played like that for the majority of last season. If we've got the players for it (which we haven't in recent seasons) there's no reason we can't do well playing that formation. Do you think that we have those players this season?
Captain... Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 <-- Just asking, but do cup goals count this year then as Beckford is yet to score and Vardy has 1?
Babylon Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 The point was raised that some people thought we struggled for parity in midfield for the first 20-30 minutes, a worry against such lowly opposition. It would be a worry... but we stuffed them 4-0, and presumably were rather good against the extra man in the middle for the remaining 60-70 minutes. We won't always be playing against 5 in midfield. If we do then perhaps we will adapt accordingly, as it was the manager obviously believed our superior quality would mean we didn't have to switch system yesterday, and we won comfortably in the end.
Babylon Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Just asking, but do cup goals count this year then as Beckford is yet to score and Vardy has 1? Has anyone actually said they don't count? Every goals counts, unfortunately only those in the league gain us points towards out end goals, promotion. If Beckford scores 20 goals this year and only 5 are in the league, for me it's not good enough. The same goes for any player, but more so when said player is (according to ITK's) the highest paid player here . Is the concept so hard to grasp? He scored in a total of 10 games all season. And that highlights his major problem, he's good enough... but not often enough. As Steve Walsh said about him, he's a 10 game a season player. And that facts seem to concur. Anyway. That's the last time I will mention previous seasons. It's a new start and he will be judged from what he does from now.
marbelladave Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 It would be a worry... but we stuffed them 4-0, and presumably were rather good against the extra man in the middle for the remaining 60-70 minutes. We won't always be playing against 5 in midfield. If we do then perhaps we will adapt accordingly, as it was the manager obviously believed our superior quality would mean we didn't have to switch system yesterday, and we won comfortably in the end. We struggled against the 5 man midfield on a number occasions in the second half of last season and made no attempt to 'adapt accordingly'. Do you have any reason to suggest it will be any different this season? Genuine question as in our transfer dealings and preseason I can see no reasons that suggest that we are going to change the way we play.
Babylon Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Do you have any reason to suggest it will be any different this season? Genuine question as in our transfer dealings and preseason I can see no reasons that suggest that we are going to change the way we play. Maybe we will adapt maybe we won't. But I think the wide men we have in Knockaert and Marshall are both comfortable through the middle (BM is and the french fans think Knocky is) and they are both grafters willing to put a tackle in, so one of them can tuck in if they have to. With Gally out wide as we had last year we lose that competitiveness, we know what's he's like in a battle and he's going to lose out probably more than the others. Add Vardy to those two and I think you have 3 players comfortable in any number of positions, meaning we can shift formation without having someone lumbered in a position they aren't comfortable in. ie. Nugent stuck on the wing, and Gally in almost any position that's not behind the front two. You could switch from: Knocky DD MJ BM JB JV to: MJ DD BM Knocky JV JB Without losing the effectiveness of any player.
Bettsj2 Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Assuming you went maybe you would like to give us an idea of how we played, first half in particular. I'm sure we were pretty dominant once the goals went in, but how were we up till then? Be very much appreciated....... Yes I was there. There's a huge difference between being dominated in midfield and sitting protecting the back 4 to break with pace which was definitely our game plan and it worked to great effect. Torquay are a relatively decent outfit at home and tried to pass it through us to start with. Once they realised they weren't good enough it went in the air which Moore and Morgan ate up easy. Torquay had maybe 2 chances the whole game which is probably about average. Do we think that we can play games without sides creating anything? Of course not, it's inevitable. Do I think James and Drinkwater are the partnership to start against Peterborough? No. I think Danns and Drinkwater should as we need more drive at home which Danns will provide. Do I think they were overrun last night? NO ****ING WAY
Captain... Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 We struggled against the 5 man midfield on a number occasions in the second half of last season and made no attempt to 'adapt accordingly'. Do you have any reason to suggest it will be any different this season? Genuine question as in our transfer dealings and preseason I can see no reasons that suggest that we are going to change the way we play. I disagree about us not trying to adapt we attempted a few times to go 433, 451, 4312, but none of them worked. 451 or 433 is not necessarily better than 442, what you gain with a 3 man midfield you lose elsewhere, a 433 leaves the flanks open and 451 means the full backs have more license to push on with the extra cb covering or pushing up to bridge the gap between the midfield. If you dictate the play, then your formation will be successful, if they are flooding the midfield, when we have the ball we just need to play round it with the wingers, or keep the ball at the back until they push out, run their forward into the ground chasing the ball, then exploit the gaps created. The other option is of course go over the top which is where Futacs becomes an option. Of course the midfield battle is important, but where we lost out before was with players not getting back quickly and supporting it when we didn't have the ball. What we need to do is dictate the game, put the pressure on, make them change their formation to combat us, and make them scared to commit men forward, use the full backs to keep the wingers honest or drag the central midfielders out of position.
Milton Keynes Fox Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Kasper-7 De Laet-8 Morgan-8 Moore-5 Konchesky-7 Marshall-9 Drinkwater-8 James-6 Dyer-7 Beckford-8 Vardy-8 Had Beckford score would have given him a 9, thought he was excellent, as was Vardy however although he scored, felt he seemed to run himself into trouble a lot! James is a good player as covering midfield but i would rather Danns played there with Drinkwater! Have to say Danny has improved his game very well after watching him the last three games, looks a top midfield palyer now!
marbelladave Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Babs.... Whilst I agree that we have the capability to be more flexible I am concerned as to whether we (NFP in reality) have the will to do so...... That is what I find troubling, I accept that I am looking for problems that might not actually occur but I an haunted by some of those woeful games last season where we were shut down by some quite mediocre sides. This is not my imagination either, 15 points out of 48 against the teams that finished in the bottom 8 is a pretty telling stat....
Foxhateram Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Good to see us finally attacking down the flanks. The cross field balls and pace of dyer and Marshall was just too much for them. I have mixed opinions on beckford he had a good game last night but his first touch was poor as an overall i think i prefer nuge. The midfield middle looked solid and in the second half the ball barely left the Torquay half. I know it's no excuse for the mardyness but two lads near me had a go at the lad when he came over saying how shit he was and when he missed a few training shots they laid into him quite a bit. It seemed to rile him up a bit, unlike nuge too he's normally always smiling. I wouldn't come back over if I was him and tbf he clapped he sitting fans in the other stand. He was also one of the last out of the ground after the game he walked out having a laugh with nige so I'm guessing they had a chat after the game. I think we have a strong team here I really do and it's good to get some credit from other teams. On a side note Looking back on last night I really feel sorry for pokey.
artursteppe Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 I agree and the key to combatting this must be Ben Marshall and Jamie Vardy. If teams play 5 in midfield and try to dominate the midfield, then Marshall must play behind the striker and Vardy needs to drop out wide, leaving the 3 other midfielders to counter-act the oppositions formation. This means that Knockaert might have to be involved centrally also, or Marshall drops back but both are good tacklers of the ball from what i've seen or heard in Knockaert's case. This must be worked on and intergrated depending on the way teams play against us, it's got to be seemless. If we play on the counter attack as well, with these players it could be devastating which will be a joy to watch. I agree and the key to combatting this must be Ben Marshall and Jamie Vardy. If teams play 5 in midfield and try to dominate the midfield, then Marshall must play behind the striker and Vardy needs to drop out wide, leaving the 3 other midfielders to counter-act the oppositions formation. This means that Knockaert might have to be involved centrally also, or Marshall drops back but both are good tacklers of the ball from what i've seen or heard in Knockaert's case. This must be worked on and intergrated depending on the way teams play against us, it's got to be seemless. If we play on the counter attack as well, with these players it could be devastating which will be a joy to watch. Sunderland played 5 in midfield. I know we only scored 1 but we maybe should have put 3 or 4 away.
Grey Fox Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Recorded this off SSN with my phone not great, next time I will shut the curtains and put the volume up, but you get the idea. I think this is kinda illegal, so don't spread it around. 4 good goals IMO. I like the way Beckford held the ball and released James with perfection. Plus the fact James made the run in the first place. I also like that Vardy’s goal was a header. Shows that he is capable of scoring all types of goals. There are some strange related videos at the end though.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Wasn't there last night so can't comment like the fantastic supporters that were. I did listen aso having read posts from attendees and being at Sunderland friendly I feel we are massively heading in the right direction as opposed to last year.The blistering pace & skill NP has introduced will cause massive problems to teams ths season. Combiations of Marshall, Drinky, James,Dannsy,Dyer, Knocky,King, Vardy,Nugent & Beckford is a scary and exciting proposition
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