smudger63 Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Did Beckford's 6 goals magically disappear from oblivion he got 15 last season! Cup goals don`t count in the world of foxestalk apparently.
marty78 Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Cup goals don`t count in the world of foxestalk apparently. The reaction to the four we conceded on Tuesday suggest they do.
ronnup Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 I think the issue is that lots of people think he's capable of beig very good indeed. And he's not been for us. And may well e for others. I personally do think he's good, but for whatever reasons I don't think he'll make a difference to us in a big way. Might as well of load the wages and spend it on a prem loan or two
PWII Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Not going anywhere! Don't be silly! He has played all the games this season so far and played a major part in pre-season why Would Pearson do that if he going to let him go. Don't rate him that highly but he is a good asset.
cc_star Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Not going anywhere! Don't be silly! He has played all the games this season so far and played a major part in pre-season why Would Pearson do that if he going to let him go. Don't rate him that highly but he is a good asset. To have a look to see if he can cut it and if there's signs his indifferent up & down form of last season has settled into something more along the lines of what we thought we were getting?
Burmesefox Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Why are people blaming Sven for wages it was Andrew Neville that was the transfer negotiator and I am sure the Thais would have sanctioned the deal on there watch. Yes. Sven gets blamed for everything but he wouldnt have been able to do a thing without sanctions from the board. The board are the business poeople not Sven - he just manages personell and training. Wouldn't be surprised if a board room sacking takes place soon.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Did Beckford's 6 goals magically disappear from oblivion he got 15 last season! * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only and correct as of 18:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC). †Appearances (Goals). Wiki it helps if u read the terms and conditions which is most likely why this one is taking so long to sort out
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Did Beckford's 6 goals magically disappear from oblivion he got 15 last season! How many times do I need to go over this. To me cup goals mean feck all unless we win the cup. They do not contribute to us moving up the table, they are not going to get us promoted and they don't tell you how good someone is at their level of football. The Thais bought us to get to the premier league, they bought Beckford to do that. Goals against lower league teams, weakened teams or against European champions where players should raise there game are one off events. I want to know if this guy is going to bang them in regularly. He scored in 10 games out of 46 and that includes cup, which means he only scored in 7, yes 7 league game all year. SEVEN.
Happy Fox Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 How many times do I need to go over this. To me cup goals mean feck all unless we win the cup. They do not contribute to us moving up the table, they are not going to get us promoted and they don't tell you how good someone is at their level of football. The Thais bought is to get to the premier league, they bought Beckford to do that. Goals against lower league teams, weakened teams or against European champions where players should raise there game are one off events. I want to know if this guy is going to bang them in regularly. He scored in 10 games out of 46 and that includes cup, which means he only scored in 7, yes 7 league game all year. SEVEN. You are very short sighted if you think cup goals don't count if you don't win the competition, of course they bloody do may not have the same significance as league goals but even they wouldn't count in a sense if you don't win the game, judging by your hypothesis that because you don't win the cup cup goals don't count is beyond stupidity imo.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Me thinks that the pressure is getting to Babs how do he cope last summer with the hype and media overload ? Happy Fox could be onto to something here you know. What we need is a grading system for all goals scored depending on the opposition and the importance of the goal. Quick someone start the thread!!
smudger63 Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 You are very short sighted if you think cup goals don't count if you don't win the competition, of course they bloody do may not have the same significance as league goals but even they wouldn't count in a sense if you don't win the game, judging by your hypothesis that because you don't win the cup cup goals don't count is beyond stupidity imo. You could also take it to the next level,with that hypothesis, and say that because we didn`t get promoted, or even in the play offs, that league goals don`t count, because we didn`t achieve anything.In fact, you could say that financially,the cup goals probably were more important, because they brought extra revenue into the club, the further we progressed.
LeicesterAreGoingUp Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 has there even been any1 reliable tweet this apart from stringer??
Kitchandro Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Do goals against Coventry and Doncaster not count either, because technically they are not Championship standard teams. What about ones against the League leaders - like Southampton, there's evidence to suggest our players raised their game for that, because we beat them twice and yet finished 7 places below them.
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 You are very short sighted if you think cup goals don't count if you don't win the competition, of course they bloody do may not have the same significance as league goals but even they wouldn't count in a sense if you don't win the game, judging by your hypothesis that because you don't win the cup cup goals don't count is beyond stupidity imo. It's not a ****ing hypothesis it's how I feel Mr Flip Flop, which is exactly why I even highlighted "to me". I don't give two hoots about the cup unless we win it, fact. This discussion is about whether Beckford is good enough to score goals in this league, goals in cup games go little way to proving whether he is good enough or not as already explained. What does go some way to showing if he's good enough are the goals he scored in the league which were nine goals. If you want to love and caress his 6 league goals knock yourself out, but I won't be because they mean feck all in the grand scheme of getting promoted, which is why he was signed.
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Do goals against Coventry and Doncaster not count either, because technically they are not Championship standard teams. What about ones against the League leaders - like Southampton, there's evidence to suggest our players raised their game for that, because we beat them twice and yet finished 7 places below them. But they are or were all championship teams? If you want to go down that route though I could highlight the fact his 10 goals for everton 5 were scored against team relegated and now in the champ or league one.
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 How do he cope last summer with the hype and media overload ? Quite easily because I'm not a reactionary and don't jizz myself about signing a few players.
Carter The Boss Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 has there even been any1 reliable tweet this apart from stringer?? FourthOfficial has and he / she / they are pretty good. Hope the mods let you change your name....
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 FourthOfficial has and he / she / they are pretty good. Hope the mods let you change your name.... I suggest Jermaine-Beckford-9 rather than Jermaine-Beckford-20
Kitchandro Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 But they are or were all championship teams? But does that mean they are necessarily better or worse than the teams that were in a lower/higher league that? For example, were Charlton a worse side than Coventry or Doncaster last season? Anyway, I'm only playing devils advocate really, I know he didn't have his best season last year, but I still saw enough in certain spells to think he's good enough to stay. I don't think he's as hopeless as you seem to.
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 But does that mean they are necessarily better or worse than the teams that were in a lower/higher league that? It means he's proven capable of scoring 9 goals in the league, that's the end of it. If people care about the cup so much would they be perfectly happy if he had scored say 11 goals in the cup and just 4 in the league? At what point do people get concerned about someones league goals tally? I'm concerned about 9 league goals and scoring in only 7 league games all season. When would you get worried? 8 league goals? 7 League goals? or is it fine as long as he's scoring in the cup? I don't think he's as hopeless as you seem to. I've never said he is. I just argue against those that make him out to be some goal machine, which goes against what I saw last year with his goals and performances. I've already stated numerous times I am happy for him to stay and get another shot. He could be brilliant, I have no idea. But he has done little to convince me so far (other than two games) that he's capable.
Babylon Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Anyway, I said I wasn't going to get involved in this again and I have. So I'm out.
Bobbyp57 Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Look how we've moved on..... a few years ago we could have been having this conversation about Elvis Hammond or Mark De Vries or that little Iranian winger, whatever his name was..... I Know, I Know Captain.... I know nothing about football and I'm a dick but all the above stuff was getting really tiresome and going round in circles.
LCFC FOX Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 Just got in has anyone tweeted or heard that anyone is leaving today?
topharry123 Posted 31 August 2012 Posted 31 August 2012 How many times do I need to go over this. To me cup goals mean feck all unless we win the cup. They do not contribute to us moving up the table, they are not going to get us promoted and they don't tell you how good someone is at their level of football. The Thais bought us to get to the premier league, they bought Beckford to do that. Goals against lower league teams, weakened teams or against European champions where players should raise there game are one off events. I want to know if this guy is going to bang them in regularly. He scored in 10 games out of 46 and that includes cup, which means he only scored in 7, yes 7 league game all year. SEVEN. We won 337,500 from the FA Cup last year, as well as probably the same in tv money as we had games on the box. Say the same, that means we got 750,000 in prize money. Beckford got 5 in the cup prior to the Chelsea game and without them goals there is a good chance we would not have progressed. Say against Forest for example when we were 1-0 up, Beckford banged in 3 and won us the game. Without him who knows what would have happened. I understand that all the winnings can't be allocated to him, but his goals helped us win 750k which would have bought us a player or 2 or paid his wages for roughly 20 weeks. I agree with other posters that if you say that his goals meant nothing because we didn't win the cup, then his league goals meant nothing because we didn't get promoted or relegated. A striker should be judged on his all round goals in all competitions against worthy opposition. We played good teams in the cup and he scored. Those teams did not just roll over and let us step ur our games but they played with the intent to win as well. Just like we played at the same level and intent when we beat Swindon. Anyway IMO Beckford hasn't quite lived up to his price tag yet but he has shown some good signs. Players need time to fit into the team and he has now had a year so I would expect him to excel this season and start realizing his potential.
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