MattyFromLE Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Which boys? Again where have I called him shite? If he scores in the next few weeks then he will find the net regularly. How do you know this and it will not just be a flash in the pan? How do you know he won't grab a goal in February then go on a run? As I said strange logic... By this I mean the majority of the people on here who frequently slate Waghorn/whoever the bi-weekly scapegoat is, instead of getting behind them to give them a lift. My logic isn't strange at all. Strikers are notorious for needing confidence to find the composure in front of goal. Soon as he has his confidence back, and he settles down - he will stop snatching at chances. In my opinion, the longer this run goes on, the lower his confidence will get and the more people will boo or making that horrible "eaurgh" noise. So logically thinking, a goal will boost his confidence helping him put away some of these chances. Make sense? ** Oops posted twice, mods delete previous post if possible! ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 No. Any striker that misses from 8 yards out with no one around him is guilty of a terrible miss. What is hard to understand about this. Perhaps you can point out where I have called him a shit striker... Well nobody apart from the goalkeeper you mean, the big guy that was trying to stop him scoring. The thing is with that effort it was a composed controlled shot, he tried to slot it past the keeper into the near corner, rather than panicking and just blast it, something he is accused of doing. It was an inch away, and could have changed his season, but as anyone who knows anything about football knows, it is not always that simple week in week out premiership strikers miss chances like that, you see it on MOTD all the time. It is not an excuse for Waggy, but in the same vein we shouldn't be slagging him off for doing the right thing just a fraction off in terms of accuracy. Especially considering it was his first league football of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Never has their been such much debate about one so unworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Never has their been such much debate about one so unworthy. You missed the Sharp and Maynard threads then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 No. Any striker that misses from 8 yards out with no one around him is guilty of a terrible miss. What is hard to understand about this. Perhaps you can point out where I have called him a shit striker... Hitting the post is not a 'terrible miss'. His miss against Birmingham from a couple of yards out was a terrible miss. Hitting the inside of the post from 8 yards out was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 I think Babs was being ironic? (Agreeing with you...) I was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyFromLE Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 I was Sorry, I must have read that wrong pal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 I'll do it for you. He's a shit striker. !!quoted the wrong thing was meant to quote col city!! I'm always behind my team ..... that doesn't mean that I have to think that everyone that has ever played for them is brilliant. As this is a forum it's where we give our opinions not where we offer encouragement .... I sing loudly and never boo at the ground where encouragement is what being a fan is about - but on a forum i speak my mind. The fact that we need to analyse the 3 or 4 shots Waghorn has had in 3 or 4 games is because he's not created enough chances and missed the ones he's had handed on a plate. Not good enough. But if you want to continue playing with ten men just so that you can say you stuck behind someone through thick and thin then continue to do so ..... personally I'd rather play with 11 effective players on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Never has their been such much debate about one so unworthy. Beckford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Beckford. Ignoring his moaning and attitude he is a Better player than Waggoorrnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Ignoring his moaning and attitude he is a Better player than Waggoorrnnn He's never proved that. Certainly not for Leicester and not in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 He's never proved that. Certainly not for Leicester and not in the Championship. Another beckford debate.....ohh boy here we go again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 He's never proved that. Certainly not for Leicester and not in the Championship. Did you honestly watch him play and think he wasn't better than Waghorn? He did seem to have a bit of an attitude at worse, swagger at best - and take that as negative or positive - personally i like a striker with swagger .... but most LCFC fans and certainly NP doesn't .... But ignoring that did you not think he was more skilful, had a better touch, was quicker, more positionally aware and generally more of a goal threat than Waggy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Can't we just agree that neither have delivered what was hoped and leave it be......please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Did you honestly watch him play and think he wasn't better than Waghorn? He did seem to have a bit of an attitude at worse, swagger at best - and take that as negative or positive - personally i like a striker with swagger .... but most LCFC fans and certainly NP doesn't .... But ignoring that did you not think he was more skilful, had a better touch, was quicker, more positionally aware and generally more of a goal threat than Waggy? I'd rather have Waghorn during his loan spell than the Beckford of last year, just comes down to whether you think he can regain that form or not. I think he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 I'd rather have Waghorn during his loan spell than the Beckford of last year, just comes down to whether you think he can regain that form or not. I think he can. It's pretty much that .... and the only thing we actually disagree on is that I don't think he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Another beckford debate.....ohh boy here we go again! Lets slag off Sharp and Maynard for not signing, I bet Wellens put them off ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Can't we just agree that neither have delivered what was hoped and leave it be......please? And how long have you been on Foxstalk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfox Posted 30 October 2012 Author Share Posted 30 October 2012 I'd rather have Waghorn during his loan spell than the Beckford of last year, just comes down to whether you think he can regain that form or not. I think he can. He has regained his form for the Under 21's, he doesn't deserve to start for the first team end of. He has had two starting chances in the past couple of weeks because of Vardy's illness, and he didn't offer anything new, he was one of our worst players on the pitch in both games. People say we don't play him in the right position, it's Pearson's tactics and if he wants to put Waghorn out wide he will do so, he put Vardy out wide when he was fit and stuck Knockaert in the free role and we played great football, Waghorn came in and we didn't look half as good. If Vardy can't fire, then the likes of Waghorn, Schlupp and Futacs won't either, because they aren't good enough to start games at this moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Lets slag off Sharp and Maynard for not signing, I bet Wellens put them off ! Haha why not lets have it all out Its all Wellens anyway, he was here before them. And how long have you been on Foxstalk ? Long enough to know that post pointless, I apologise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 Did you honestly watch him play and think he wasn't better than Waghorn? He did seem to have a bit of an attitude at worse, swagger at best - and take that as negative or positive - personally i like a striker with swagger .... but most LCFC fans and certainly NP doesn't .... But ignoring that did you not think he was more skilful, had a better touch, was quicker, more positionally aware and generally more of a goal threat than Waggy? Beckford's touch was awful, his positional awareness was hardly great either, he managed to fluff his fair share of gilt edged chances too, on his day Beckford is better than Waghorn, but on his all too often off days he was much worse as he contributed little else. Waghorn may not be as skillfull as JB, nor as fast, but he works a lot harder and does a lot more for the team, so that even when not having a good spell, which he isn't he still contributes with his work rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 He's never proved that. Certainly not for Leicester and not in the Championship. What he has done for Leicester is irrelevant, what they have achieved in their careers is relevant. And Beckford has proved his prolific in League One over a 4 year period and is capable of contributing goals as a squad striker in the Premier League (which by itself is more than Waghorn will ever achieve imo) Martyn Waghorn has delieved 1 season of above average performances and 12 goals and some people seem loathed to let it go and look at the chances he is missing and his sub par performances. Not really comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 30 October 2012 Share Posted 30 October 2012 My life how we labour this subject. Sometimes strikers fail to score because of the poor service they get, their confidence is low, they're picked in the wrong role or because they react inadequately when chances come along. Beckford, for all that I doubt he'll play for us again, has demonstrated an ability to score goals consistenly but he has never demonstrated at Leicester that he can and should be a part of the type of team we're trying to put together. So debate about the guy seems all but irrelevent whatever the different opinions. Waghorn, from what I've seen, just isn't good enough. If the goals were elevated 15 feet or so it might be different because that's where he puts so many of his chances but, more than that, he's such a limited player in other ways being so one-footed, so poor at holding the ball up, not a particularly creative player and not the greatest at closing people down for periods over about half-an-hour. You can't help but like him because he's a trier but just being a trier isn't good enough and especially in a squad where everyone - at long last - could be called a trier. The problem with Waghorn is that if he's not scoring goals he's not much use because there's nothing that sets him apart. All that said I've long lamented our seeming lack of a specialist attacking coach and nothing's changed on that score. I'd actually be ashamed to only get the number of goals we're currently scoring given the talent we have on the field. I think our side has gradually been losing its conviction, its cohesion and its sense of purpose but equally worrying is that, being second in the table, they should be bristling with ideas and moves practiced on the training ground. But they're not and our wastefulness from set-plays and final ball situations is truly embarrassing at times and suggests that we simply don't work nearly hard enough at the details of what we're trying to achieve. Even in the pre-match warm-up our approach is so boringly predictable and so lacking in purpose much of the time. I really cringe to watch it all. A better approach and all our strikers and midfielders might be more productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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