Pearson on the edge? Definitely if the owners are fans.

[indierich06]

You do this with most posters who look at 'negatives' and seemingly have done for years.

Artursteppe is just the latest, though I also think he talks garbage.

I'm just surprised you don't get bored of your 'back the current manager and dismiss anything else' line.

So disagreeing with the manager and slating the team is fine, but if we try and defend them both and talk about the positives, we're being arseholes?

[Guest Col city fan]

So disagreeing with the manager and slating the team is fine, but if we try and defend them both and talk about the positives, we're being arseholes?

In my opinion yes.

I think it's best to give both sides to the argument(s).

I've said it all season.. I'm a fan of Nige, I concur with his no-nonsense approach, I usually agree with his signings and we are fifth. +

I also think he's not tactically the best and doesn't always play his best team. -

See, it can be done...

Just my opinion, of course, but I tire of the happy clappers as much as the critics.

I don't know why people feel they have to fall into one of these two positions. It comes across as very defensive and doesn't look at the real issues. At least, as they exist in my mind.

[indierich06]

In my opinion yes.

I think it's best to give both sides to the argument(s).

I've said it all season.. I'm a fan of Nige, I concur with his no-nonsense approach, I usually agree with his signings and we are fifth. +

I also think he's not tactically the best and doesn't always play his best team. -

See, it can be done...

Just my opinion, of course, but I tire of the happy clappers as much as the critics.

I don't know why people feel they have to fall into one of these two positions. It comes across as very defensive and doesn't look at the real issues. At least, as they exist in my mind.

So you think it's best to give both sides of the argument but when people slag off the team and the manager we should shut up and just let them get on with it? Sounds like a pretty one sided argument to me.

[Guest Col city fan]

So you think it's best to give both sides of the argument but when people slag off the team and the manager we should shut up and just let them get on with it? Sounds like a pretty one sided argument to me.

I don't think that's what happens though mate.

IMO people often seem to see some criticism and SLAM... Jump on it, curb it and finish it...

Rather than stopping and picking the bones out of it.

Peeps like DT and Seenitall sometimes make some good points IMO. Sure, I don't always agree, but on some things I kinda see what they are saying.

But when 20 posters then call them 'arseholes' etc their arguments are lost and they are kinda branded into Pearson haters.

One of the terms often used is 'no divine right' to success. This phrase effectively kills any counter argument dead because it states, however poorly we have played, that its really ok because we are all expecting 'too much' anyway. Where do you go with that?

Can you see what I'm getting at?

Sure, when someone quotes a negative, come back with a positive, but try to see the 'negative' for how it was meant.

Personally, and I don't mind saying it, i think Sven fooked the club up and Pearson is still picking up the pieces. But that don't mean he has to then go and play King and Drinky in the middle against Millwall does it? Most of us knew that wouldn't work.

Anyway, tis all opinion as I see it, not fact..

And I think Pearson is doing generally, a good job.

[Babylon]

I don't know why people feel they have to fall into one of these two positions. It comes across as very defensive and doesn't look at the real issues. At least, as they exist in my mind.

It's you putting them into that position though isn't it. Because you only remember what you want to remember about people. What issues aren't looked at exactly?

Us needing to improve?...

Are there things we need to improve, yes that's clear.

Us not being good enough / having enough strength in depth in certain position?

with a few players adding in Jan we really shouldn't be far away come the end of the season.

Because there is room for improvement, and if people are available that can improve us then we should get them.

What we need to add exactly...

But I would say a centre back (maybe just Keane on loan), a quality finisher and an a CM.

Is it not critisising poor performances?...

Good first and last 10, inbetween was woeful. You need to win the right to play your football and they just seemed to put in that little bit extra in every position that meant we lacked time to compose ourselves and make our extra quality pay.

Players weaknesses?...

Knockaerts biggest problems are his lack of pace and inability to do the simple things. One he can do nothing about, the other he can.

Early defensive lapses?

Almost everyone I have seen praise our new attacking style and performaces has also mentioned that we need to shore things up at the back. We are well aware that there is a problem there, it just isn't there all the time. Against Blackburn it we were fine for 99% of it, there is a problem and it needs a tweak to sort it out.

Saying Pearson needs to improve?...

What I do know is they (Pearson and Beckford) both need to improve massively on last year.

I take a fairly relaxed view on football. There are certainly things in my life way ahead of it in things I've got to whinge about. Perhaps I'm guilty of not taking the same stance with people talking shit or being hypocrites, but it doesn't make me a "happy clapper" as you put it.

[Guest Col city fan]

It's you putting them into that position though isn't it. Because you only remember what you want to remember about people. What issues aren't looked at exactly?

Us needing to improve?...

Us not being good enough / having enough strength in depth in certain position?

What we need to add exactly...

Is it not critisising poor performances?...

Players weaknesses?...

Early defensive lapses?

Saying Pearson needs to improve?...

I take a fairly relaxed view on football. There are certainly things in my life way ahead of it in things I've got to whinge about. Perhaps I'm guilty of not taking the same stance with people talking shit or being hypocrites, but it doesn't make me a "happy clapper" as you put it.

? The point I was making was those who immediately jump on others for 'giving criticism' or 'looking at areas to develop', rather than examining what they've said. I've seen it on here for a long time, especially under Sven, where any hint of worry under his tenure was met usually with vitriol. The same went for months with Beckford.

[artursteppe]

When the main arguing point you have is that the players we have ARE good enough to win the league/top two, it's a rather frail argument as really there is no proof to show that. If that's your opinion then fine, but it's not really one based on fact currently.

Also, it doesn't help your argument when not long ago you said our defensive frailties would remain unless we got reinforcements or changed formation. Which surely suggests you believed we weren't good enough then.... and yet suddenly we are.

Sometimes I despair. Our defence, which you keep telling everyone is so wonderful has just conceded three goals against Barnsley and Millwall. We got one point, get it yet?

My point for years is that we would concede fewer goals with a midfield unit that has better defensive qualities than exist at the moment, whether that be through a change in formation, or changes in personnel.

How can you not understand that as a concept? Why do you insist on being such hard work. You emanate a holier than thou demeanour yet refuse to even try to understand what is actually being discussed.

Let me explain further, the fewer goals conceded the fewer will be needed to get three points, broadly speaking of course. If you are not confident that you actually understand what I'm saying, ask a friend for advice before you come back on here being silly.

I think quite simply, that there are very many supporters who believed that we would have had a much better chance of getting points at Millwall with a stronger midfield.

I am saying that our management team should by now realise that, and if they cannot work that out, I do question Pearson's tactical ability.

Managers should have enough confidence to feel they can pick a side that has the best chance possible of beating whatever team we are playing against. Pearson believes that he should let the opposition worry about us. They do not worry about us if they are a big, ugly, physical team. We have had this same problem for the last twelve months. That is too long to be having the same problem because of the manager's intransigence and incompetence. Twelve months OK, not twelve matches. It is the same, I mean the same problem, get it? The same problem, and it needs putting right.

Ask a friend.

[Babylon]

? The point I was making was those who immediately jump on others for 'giving criticism' or 'looking at areas to develop', rather than examining what they've said. I've seen it on here for a long time, especially under Sven, where any hint of worry under his tenure was met usually with vitriol. The same went for months with Beckford.

Again I don't think you got my point...

And you clearly haven't got the point of my posts considering this is aimed at me in this thread.

I've examined what he said in detail, have you?

"There is nothing wrong with the players we have."

Only three months ago he was saying we lacked balance, the players to play 4-4-2, and without bringing in other players we would suffer the same defensive frailties as we have the last couple of years.

When someone says one thing a couple of months ago and uses it to critisise Pearson, then says the opposite a few months later, and also uses it to critisise Pearson alarm bells ring a little bit don't they as to whether they are looking at this subjectively.

Then you start down the post and get the wonderful "Pearson is either just stubborn or totally inept tactically". So that's it, they are only the two problems we have. Pearson is either shit, or he's shit. Again, you start to think about how subjective the poster is being.

We lost of Millwall, so clearly Pearson didn't get that right. Nobody is arguing that, it's as clear as day. Then we meander into the stuff about formation and players in the middle that's been talked about in 298 threads this season, on which most people have come to agreement with in a fashion.

But then you wander into more odd comments "We are all fans, supporters. If the owners are fans and supporters and have any idea about football at all, they will know Pearson is getting it badly wrong."

Badly wrong? Really? In the playoffs, still in with a shout of automatic at Christmas time, higher than we were last year, playing better than we were last year? Again, is this subjective?

The only positives he musters he also tries to hand to Shakespeare rather than Pearson.

Arthursteppe is no Seenitall or DT. But many of his posts clearly have an undercurrent of not liking or wanting Pearson that seems fairly clear. I've read many of his posts over the last couple of days to check up that what I remembered him saying was correct or not, he makes some good points, some excellent points at times.

But because of the things above people won't take him as seriously as they would have had he cut out the first and last 6 lines of his post. That would have been 'giving criticism' or 'looking at areas to develop'... and I can guarantee nobody would have said a word other than.... "oh god not this again".

You yourself said "I think he talks garbage." in this thread. Which is probably worse than anything I said about his post.

[artursteppe]

Babylon, it's me again. There is nothing wrong with the players. The problem is Pearson's formation and lack of tactical acumen.

Let me put it another way - Eric Morecombe, when playing a 'tune' on the piano which was supposed to be the intro to Tchaikovsky's piano concerto, but was nothing like it, said to the conductor Andre Previn " I'm playing the right notes, just not in the right order".

Making sense yet? We could have played with a team consisting of Nugent, King, Drinkwater, Dyer ( or Marshall ), Knockaert ( or Vardy ) at Millwall and have a better chance of winning than we did with the starting line-up that Pearson picked.

It is not that difficult to understand. 4-2-3-1 eg - De Laet, Morgan, Whitbread, Konchesky; James, Drinkwater; Knockaert, King, Marshall; Nugent.

Do you get it yet? Just like the notes being played in the right order ( or formation ), our team should have the right formation. Same players ( except a second holding midfielder ) different formation, different outcome. Simple really.

[Corky]

Babylon, it's me again. There is nothing wrong with the players. The problem is Pearson's formation and lack of tactical acumen.

Let me put it another way - Eric Morecombe, when playing a 'tune' on the piano which was supposed to be the intro to Tchaikovsky's piano concerto, but was nothing like it, said to the conductor Andre Previn " I'm playing the right notes, just not in the right order".

Making sense yet? We could have played with a team consisting of Nugent, King, Drinkwater, Dyer ( or Marshall ), Knockaert ( or Vardy ) at Millwall and have a better chance of winning than we did with the starting line-up that Pearson picked.

It is not that difficult to understand. 4-2-3-1 eg midfield - De Laet, Morgan, Whitbread, Konchesky; James, Drinkwater; Knockaert, King, Marshall; Nugent.

Do you get it yet? Just like the notes being played in the right order ( or formation ), our team should have the right formation. Same players ( except a second holding midfielder ) different formation, different outcome. Simple really.

So we are guaranteed to win if we play your formation and personnel?

[Babylon]

So we are guaranteed to win if we play your formation and personnel?

So it wasn't just me thinking that then.

There are an awful lot of assumptions in that post.

[Kitchandro]

This thread would be a lot better if we were just 10 pages of hurling abuse at artursteppe like on the first page. Trying to have a reasoned debate with him is just a waste of effort.

Lets go down to the insane asylum and argue with those guys.

[artursteppe]

Babs, baby. I do not want to get too droll about all this, but if you really do want to check my consistency go back to Pearson's previous tenure. He hasn't changed, and neither have I. It used to be Wellens, King, Dyer and Gallagher in our midfield. It is slightly better now, of course, Drinkwater, King, Dyer and Knockaert.

Tell me, pray do tell, can you see that much difference. The current midfield is worryingly similar to the 'pussy' midfield as I used to call it last time we had Pearson.

Even though our defence is much better now, and we obviously have better strikers ( in effect the cracks have been papered over ), I believe Pearson has to get a grip of what is needed for an effective midfield. If he could do that, automatic promotion should still be within our grasp.

But can you really believe that Pearson will suddenly understand that just that tiny little change, effectively one player, would make all the difference to our season. I doubt it.

So we are guaranteed to win if we play your formation and personnel?

YES

[artursteppe]

I think most of the old Wellens fans, who used to slag me, back here slagging me again.

Why don't we have Wellens back. Apparently he was even better for Ipswich than he was for us. Wellens, can't wait.

Come on Nigel, I wouldn't put it past you. You obviously know a good, strong, combative and effective midfield when you see one. NOT!

[Walshie is God]

Lets put this in perspective guys...

We are sitting 5th in the Championship entering the Christmas period, would we have taken that at the start of this season after the season we had last year, I for one would say yes we would..

Admittedly we do seem a little bit weak in midfield and the games against Leeds and Millwall away have highlighted this, it seems that if we get bullied we have no plan B. However NP has at his disposal what he has, he can not really do any business until January (I personally dont see the point of loan players). So lets see what happens during Jan before we start bemoaning what the management are doing, if we dont get into the play offs at least by the end of the season then maybe we need to think about a change for next year, however changing the manager now will guarantee nothing as they just inherit NP's team, let him attempt to finish what he's started before we moan!!!

Come on you blue boys, stuff the welsh w****** on saturday.

[Gubbins]

Then you start down the post and get the wonderful "Pearson is either just stubborn or totally inept tactically". So that's it, they are only the two problems we have. Pearson is either shit, or he's shit.

Its not a case of Pearson being shit or shit though is it! I dont think Pearson is shit or neccesarily tactically inept, but he is stubborn when it comes to making changes in both personnell and formation and whilst this is not disastorous it does cost us points and stops us reaching our full potential as a club. This isnt some opinion formed over the last couple of games either, he was stubborn last season and in his first spell here. This doesnt make him shit but it does leave him open to deserved criticism as much as you and the howling masses of 'happy clappers' on here dont like it.

[Corky]

YES

Great news.

[seenitall]

And you clearly haven't got the point of my posts considering this is aimed at me in this thread.

I've examined what he said in detail, have you?

"There is nothing wrong with the players we have."

Only three months ago he was saying we lacked balance, the players to play 4-4-2, and without bringing in other players we would suffer the same defensive frailties as we have the last couple of years.

When someone says one thing a couple of months ago and uses it to critisise Pearson, then says the opposite a few months later, and also uses it to critisise Pearson alarm bells ring a little bit don't they as to whether they are looking at this subjectively.

Then you start down the post and get the wonderful "Pearson is either just stubborn or totally inept tactically". So that's it, they are only the two problems we have. Pearson is either shit, or he's shit. Again, you start to think about how subjective the poster is being.

We lost of Millwall, so clearly Pearson didn't get that right. Nobody is arguing that, it's as clear as day. Then we meander into the stuff about formation and players in the middle that's been talked about in 298 threads this season, on which most people have come to agreement with in a fashion.

But then you wander into more odd comments "We are all fans, supporters. If the owners are fans and supporters and have any idea about football at all, they will know Pearson is getting it badly wrong."

Badly wrong? Really? In the playoffs, still in with a shout of automatic at Christmas time, higher than we were last year, playing better than we were last year? Again, is this subjective?

The only positives he musters he also tries to hand to Shakespeare rather than Pearson.

Arthursteppe is no Seenitall or DT. But many of his posts clearly have an undercurrent of not liking or wanting Pearson that seems fairly clear. I've read many of his posts over the last couple of days to check up that what I remembered him saying was correct or not, he makes some good points, some excellent points at times.

But because of the things above people won't take him as seriously as they would have had he cut out the first and last 6 lines of his post. That would have been 'giving criticism' or 'looking at areas to develop'... and I can guarantee nobody would have said a word other than.... "oh god not this again".

You yourself said "I think he talks garbage." in this thread. Which is probably worse than anything I said about his post.

Sod off Babs - I haven't said a word on this - but I might start if we drop out of the play off frame............interesting to see Hull doing alright too. It would be nice if the trend after the past few games were upwards but sadly its down - hopefully a good Xmas will have us all smiling

[Mark_w]

I think most of the old Wellens fans, who used to slag me, back here slagging me again.

Why don't we have Wellens back. Apparently he was even better for Ipswich than he was for us. Wellens, can't wait.

Come on Nigel, I wouldn't put it past you. You obviously know a good, strong, combative and effective midfield when you see one. NOT!

Richie Wellens played brilliantly under Nigel Pearson, so was from his point of view a good signing. Case closed.

I really do not know why people insult me instead of entering into intelligent debate. I've just caught up on the last bunch of posts and I am quite satisfied that those who malign me are not capable of intelligent debate, so that explains things pretty well. However it would be gratifying if some of those 'debators' actually either read what I said or tried harder to understand what I said.

Now I risk becoming 'a broken record' by repeating yet again that I am entirely consistent with my views and have been for season after season, OK?

Perhaps the reason that a lot of Leicester City fans are unhappy with your post is because you suggest in both the title of this thread and the original post that all Leicester fans who don't think that Pearson is getting it badly wrong know nothing about football (1). Or maybe it's because you're so arrogant that you think you know more than the best manager we've had in 10 years (2). Or maybe it's just because you somehow fail to see the correlation between the improvements made by Nigel Pearson and the improvement we've seen from performances in previous years (3).

1.

We are all fans, supporters. If the owners are fans and supporters and have any idea about football at all, they will know Pearson is getting it badly wrong.

2.

So we are guaranteed to win if we play your formation and personnel?

YES

3.

A little perspective from me and some defence for those who think we should be doing better.

Our squad is good, as good as any in this league. Our support is good, as good as most in this league. Our facilities are good, as good as any in this league. Our team spirit is good, as good as any team in our league. The depth of talent in our squad is good, as good as any team in our league. Everything I can think of is top notch in this league, except our position in the table, and our results.

[Ely fox]

Pearson stubborn???? Surely not. His midfield is like a cosey club where a favourite player has to have a total shocker before he drops someone and even then he might give that said player another start the next week, eg Danny Drinkwater. Why if he has a shocker does the manager not drop him and let another player have a chance to come in fresh and determined to do well ... i dont see the point of playing a player who is tired and not playing well.

[Guest Col city fan]

For all those on here who weren't bovvered that we boughed out of the Capital Cup.. One of my mates is a Leeds fan and he is BUZZIN about tonight's match with Chelsea.

Was out with him on Saturday and he didn't fookin shut up about it, how it was gonna be a sell out etc.

To be fair, I'd be happy if it was us playing at home to Chelsea tonight. More than happy.

[Corky]

For all those on here who weren't bovvered that we boughed out of the Capital Cup.. One of my mates is a Leeds fan and he is BUZZIN about tonight's match with Chelsea.

Was out with him on Saturday and he didn't fookin shut up about it, how it was gonna be a sell out etc.

To be fair, I'd be happy if it was us playing at home to Chelsea tonight. More than happy.

I'd love to still be in this cup.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'd love to still be in this cup.

[skinnydipper]

Pearson's biggest problem is the fans expectation. Too many people think we should beat every single team we play. I'm sure if we get promoted there'll be those complaining if we don't do Man U by 5 at Old Trafford.

Best football this season in donkeys years. Definite progress since Sven and Sousa which I'm confident will continue.

[Guest MattP]

For all those on here who weren't bovvered that we boughed out of the Capital Cup.. One of my mates is a Leeds fan and he is BUZZIN about tonight's match with Chelsea.

Was out with him on Saturday and he didn't fookin shut up about it, how it was gonna be a sell out etc.

To be fair, I'd be happy if it was us playing at home to Chelsea tonight. More than happy.

I'd love to still be in the cup, I wouldn't swop it for the league position us and Leeds are in though.