Carl the Llama Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Middlesbrough's squad cost hell of a lot more to build than ours. McDonald, Emnes and Hoyte alone cost a reported £9.5m or so. That can't be right. Everyone knows we're "big spending" Leicester. Nobody in the history of football has a more expensive team.
BunkMoreland Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Sacrilege. No real Leicester fan fails to see the benefits emile brings to a team.
Babylon Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Middlesbrough's squad cost hell of a lot more to build than ours. McDonald, Emnes and Hoyte alone cost a reported £9.5m or so. Hulls team is a bargain as well.... Fryatt £1m+, Hobbs 1m+, McClean £1m+, Jay Simpson £1m+, Nick Proschwitz £2.6m, Koren (Expensive Wages free transfer). Quinn, Chester, Evans all cost money and they have several players on loan from premier and ex premier clubs who aren't going to be cheap.
artursteppe Posted 18 December 2012 Author Posted 18 December 2012 A little perspective from me and some defence for those who think we should be doing better. Our squad is good, as good as any in this league. Our support is good, as good as most in this league. Our facilities are good, as good as any in this league. Our team spirit is good, as good as any team in our league. The depth of talent in our squad is good, as good as any team in our league. Everything I can think of is top notch in this league, except our position in the table, and our results. So come on all you Nigel defenders, tell me why we are not top. We should be, plus some, that is reality with what we have in and around the club. Ah yes, but no but yes but no but........ I can almost hear you all saying it. There's plenty of time, we are fifth after all, no need to panic, we can get more players to make our squad even better. Yeh, Yeh, yawn, yawn. I've heard it all before. I can remember Nigel's tactics against Cardiff at home in the play-offs, yet everyone wanted to blame Kermorgant when we should have already won. Nigel, to date has shown himself to be less than efficient with his tactical 'nouse'. That, I might suggest is the main reason we are not where we should be in the league. He will get more chances, but they surely must be running out. As I have said many times before, the coaching is excellent, Dyer and Waghorn, Schlupp and many others are improving all the time. The quality to price ratio of the players brought in is superb, but none of that is worth didly shit if the tactics are badly wrong. King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert as a midfield away to a side like Millwall, in a 4-4-2 formation, is kindergarten management style.
The People's Hero Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 A little perspective from me and some defence for those who think we should be doing better. Our squad is good, as good as any in this league. Our support is good, as good as most in this league. Our facilities are good, as good as any in this league. Our team spirit is good, as good as any team in our league. The depth of talent in our squad is good, as good as any team in our league. Everything I can think of is top notch in this league, except our position in the table, and our results. So come on all you Nigel defenders, tell me why we are not top. We should be, plus some, that is reality with what we have in and around the club. Ah yes, but no but yes but no but........ I can almost hear you all saying it. There's plenty of time, we are fifth after all, no need to panic, we can get more players to make our squad even better. Yeh, Yeh, yawn, yawn. I've heard it all before. I can remember Nigel's tactics against Cardiff at home in the play-offs, yet everyone wanted to blame Kermorgant when we should have already won. Nigel, to date has shown himself to be less than efficient with his tactical 'nouse'. That, I might suggest is the main reason we are not where we should be in the league. He will get more chances, but they surely must be running out. As I have said many times before, the coaching is excellent, Dyer and Waghorn, Schlupp and many others are improving all the time. The quality to price ratio of the players brought in is superb, but none of that is worth didly shit if the tactics are badly wrong. King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert as a midfield away to a side like Millwall, in a 4-4-2 formation, is kindergarten management style. That sort of common sense and intelligent questioning is not welcome around here. Its refreshing and its spot on, but its not foxestalk style!
Stevie Synex Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 A little perspective from me and some defence for those who think we should be doing better. Our squad is good, as good as any in this league. Our support is good, as good as most in this league. Our facilities are good, as good as any in this league. Our team spirit is good, as good as any team in our league. The depth of talent in our squad is good, as good as any team in our league. Everything I can think of is top notch in this league, except our position in the table, and our results. So come on all you Nigel defenders, tell me why we are not top. We should be, plus some, that is reality with what we have in and around the club. Ah yes, but no but yes but no but........ I can almost hear you all saying it. There's plenty of time, we are fifth after all, no need to panic, we can get more players to make our squad even better. Yeh, Yeh, yawn, yawn. I've heard it all before. I can remember Nigel's tactics against Cardiff at home in the play-offs, yet everyone wanted to blame Kermorgant when we should have already won. Nigel, to date has shown himself to be less than efficient with his tactical 'nouse'. That, I might suggest is the main reason we are not where we should be in the league. He will get more chances, but they surely must be running out. As I have said many times before, the coaching is excellent, Dyer and Waghorn, Schlupp and many others are improving all the time. The quality to price ratio of the players brought in is superb, but none of that is worth didly shit if the tactics are badly wrong. King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert as a midfield away to a side like Millwall, in a 4-4-2 formation, is kindergarten management style. I hope this is not going too off topic and at the risk of being a tad controversial can I add the words of another Championship manager into the mix:- Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has branded the Championship as an "average" division. The Seagulls are eighth in the table, three points off the play-off places, despite only three wins in 15 games. Poyet told BBC Sussex: "Without winning games we are there. It shows you how average this division is. Competitive, but average. "With the results we have had, we should be 15th or 18th. We are still there because it is average." I fully take on board the issue regarding the midfield on Saturday and was disapointed to say the least when I saw the teamsheet prior to kick-off. However, Pearson is doing the best he can with the options available to him whilst maintaining the "squad ethos" which is now the hallmark of any Pearson team. Whoever Pearson wants to play for the Club is playing for the club and any alterations whether we like it or not will have to wait until January. Please also bear in mind the obvious cash restrictions now being imposed and manage your expectations for the January window accordingly. Barcelona have safely negotiated new contracts with three of their star players and announced them today so it ain't going to be any of them
Babylon Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Our squad is good, as good as any in this league Could you clarify how you know these players are that good? Because I can assure you were not particularly fond of what we had preseason. You slated the balance of the team, our defensive capabilities and quite a number of players. I suppose you will have forgotten all of that though because it gives you ANOTHER opportunity to take a pop at the manager.
Leicester_Numan Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 A little perspective from me and some defence for those who think we should be doing better. Our squad is good, as good as any in this league. Our support is good, as good as most in this league. Our facilities are good, as good as any in this league. Our team spirit is good, as good as any team in our league. The depth of talent in our squad is good, as good as any team in our league. Everything I can think of is top notch in this league, except our position in the table, and our results. So come on all you Nigel defenders, tell me why we are not top. We should be, plus some, that is reality with what we have in and around the club. Ah yes, but no but yes but no but........ I can almost hear you all saying it. There's plenty of time, we are fifth after all, no need to panic, we can get more players to make our squad even better. Yeh, Yeh, yawn, yawn. I've heard it all before. I can remember Nigel's tactics against Cardiff at home in the play-offs, yet everyone wanted to blame Kermorgant when we should have already won. Nigel, to date has shown himself to be less than efficient with his tactical 'nouse'. That, I might suggest is the main reason we are not where we should be in the league. He will get more chances, but they surely must be running out. As I have said many times before, the coaching is excellent, Dyer and Waghorn, Schlupp and many others are improving all the time. The quality to price ratio of the players brought in is superb, but none of that is worth didly shit if the tactics are badly wrong. King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert as a midfield away to a side like Millwall, in a 4-4-2 formation, is kindergarten management style. Instead of telling us this, have you thought of telling Nigel? Or are you scared he'll give you the old headbutt?
artursteppe Posted 18 December 2012 Author Posted 18 December 2012 Could you clarify how you know these players are that good? Because I can assure you were not particularly fond of what we had preseason. You slated the balance of the team, our defensive capabilities and quite a number of players. I suppose you will have forgotten all of that though because it gives you ANOTHER opportunity to take a pop at the manager. I can clarify my position pre season.After the Sunderland game I told friends and colleagues that we would not be playing Sunderland next season because we would be promoted and they would be relegated. I also said that Drinkwater would be our top performer this season and that he and James as a holding midfield duo would be excellent for us. The Sunderland bit was somewhat tongue in cheek, but it is true to say they are not a good premiership team I have always, I mean for years, been consistent about Andy King in that I have never believed him to be strong enough or resilient enough to play central midfield in a 4-4-2 formation and I'm going back to the Wellens and Oakley days. I have always been consistently critical about Wellens, Gallagher and King when they all played together, with the rider that King could be good in the right formation or when given a suitable role in the team. I believe I have always been right. For years I have been right, at least I still think there is nothing happening with any of the players I have mentioned which could remotely prove me wrong. I have always been critical of Lloyd Dyer over the years as well, believing him OK as a squad or impact player, but if you read my recent posts you will notice I have complemented both him and Waghorn as much improved players through the coaching they are getting. I think much more highly of Waghorn since his recent run than I ever have before. He is a much better player now than he used to be. The coaching and purchasing by are management team, if you might read my posts, have been much praised by me. I am entirely consistent in my views and will remain so. 4-4-2 with King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert will not get us promoted. That is not a criticism of any of those players. Two, or three or sometimes all four would play in my selected team, although one or two of them could at times start on the bench. Just to repeat myself yet again for clarity there is nothing wrong with our squad, our team ethic, our support, our ability, our potential or our facilities or vision for the club and the owners determination to achieve. BUT, as against Cardiff in the play-offs and on innumerable occasions since, including both Pearson's first stint and this season, I question in a very serious way his tactical ability.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Nigel, to date has shown himself to be less than efficient with his tactical 'nouse'. That, I might suggest is the main reason we are not where we should be in the league. What was the reason in past seasons then? If his tactical nous is so off, why are we competing at the top despite a poor run of form? Why are we disappointed to be fifth, when most of your moaning ilk wrote us off after pre-season? Do you genuinely think success is only linear? Do you think once we've beaten one good team, we should assume 3 points against all lesser teams? And yes, it's fine to question, and it's fine to criticise if you feel the need. Your main thesis (our midfield got pushed around by Millwall) is a popular one (albeit not with me). But if you want the answer to why most of us are responding to you like you've soiled yourself on the bus, just look at the topic title. Like I said earlier, if that's the best you can achieve after 45 years, do something else...
indierich06 Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 A little perspective from me and some defence for those who think we should be doing better. Our squad is good, as good as any in this league. Our support is good, as good as most in this league. Our facilities are good, as good as any in this league. Our team spirit is good, as good as any team in our league. The depth of talent in our squad is good, as good as any team in our league. Everything I can think of is top notch in this league, except our position in the table, and our results. So come on all you Nigel defenders, tell me why we are not top. We should be, plus some, that is reality with what we have in and around the club. Ah yes, but no but yes but no but........ I can almost hear you all saying it. There's plenty of time, we are fifth after all, no need to panic, we can get more players to make our squad even better. Yeh, Yeh, yawn, yawn. I've heard it all before. I can remember Nigel's tactics against Cardiff at home in the play-offs, yet everyone wanted to blame Kermorgant when we should have already won. Nigel, to date has shown himself to be less than efficient with his tactical 'nouse'. That, I might suggest is the main reason we are not where we should be in the league. He will get more chances, but they surely must be running out. As I have said many times before, the coaching is excellent, Dyer and Waghorn, Schlupp and many others are improving all the time. The quality to price ratio of the players brought in is superb, but none of that is worth didly shit if the tactics are badly wrong. King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert as a midfield away to a side like Millwall, in a 4-4-2 formation, is kindergarten management style. You can say that about any number of teams in this league. You seem to think we have a divine right to be top of the league 'plus some' - we don't. There are plenty of teams with fantastic fans, fantastic players, fantastic facilities, fantastic team spirit... it's what makes the Championship such a tight division. You look at teams like Wolves, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton - all playing in the Premier League last season - one of whom spent more one one player than we did in the whole transfer window - yet we're doing better than them. Teams like Forest who have spent significantly, teams like Leeds who are managed by one of the best managers in this division, teams like Blackpool and Burnley who apparently have the division's best players in their ranks - all below us. Only four teams above us with a gap of just 7 points. Cardiff, Palace, Hull and Middlesborough all have very good squads, very good facilities, very good managers, very good fans... I can't understand why you think we deserve to be head and shoulders above them? I've heard of blue tinted specs but this is absolutely ridiculous. As for NP being tactically clueless, well I don't see anything wrong with our tactics at home - we've lost one game there all season. There have been a couple of disappointing results - Barnsley springs to mind - but on the whole our performances at home have been more than good enough. The problem is our away form which hasn't been good enough - I don't think it's down to tactics but more down to our mentality away from home - if we played that system the same way we do at home then we would have no trouble dispatching teams away from home. If we were mid table and struggling to get to the playoffs then I could understand your frustration but at the minute we're firmly in the playoffs and still well placed to challenge for automatic promotion - unless you think we have a divine right to be in the top two, and if you do you're an idiot - then I do not understand how you can think Nigel is tactically clueless when we're amongst the best performers in the league - the league position does not lie, we're amongst the best in the Championship.
artursteppe Posted 18 December 2012 Author Posted 18 December 2012 What was the reason in past seasons then? If his tactical nous is so off, why are we competing at the top despite a poor run of form? Why are we disappointed to be fifth, when most of your moaning ilk wrote us off after pre-season? Do you genuinely think success is only linear? Do you think once we've beaten one good team, we should assume 3 points against all lesser teams? And yes, it's fine to question, and it's fine to criticise if you feel the need. Your main thesis (our midfield got pushed around by Millwall) is a popular one (albeit not with me). But if you want the answer to why most of us are responding to you like you've soiled yourself on the bus, just look at the topic title. Like I said earlier, if that's the best you can achieve after 45 years, do something else... OK, read this then.We have been one of the biggest clubs in the country ( consistently, for very many years amongst the top ten or fifteen clubs based on average gates ). For eight years ( I think ) we have been outside the top league. Our gates are still good, even after that length of time there are always Prem teams with smaller gates. We have in the past won the League Cup a few times and been in four FA cup finals. We have won the second ( championship ) league title more than anyone, except maybe one other club, not sure. We have wealthy owners, great facilities, great support, a great stadium, an excellent squad, good coaching, brilliant youth set up and lots more. An average position in the country of about 25th best team in England for the last 10 years is not good enough for me, and I am not wrong or in any way out of line by expecting more, or even demanding more. Fifth in the Championship and getting knocked out of the League Cup by Burton, at this stage of the season is poor. If that is good enough for you, that is up to you, but do not knock me or any other fan who expects more. We are, with what we have available even now, under-performing - FACT!
artursteppe Posted 18 December 2012 Author Posted 18 December 2012 Indierich06, and other posters who see nothing wrong, the Championship may be competitive, but I agree with Gus Poyet, it is crap, and fifth in the table with what we have at our disposal is not good. There are a number of teams within a few points of us who are absolutely rubbish. What does that make us. I will tell what it does not make, it doesn't make us good.
indierich06 Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 OK, read this then. We have been one of the biggest clubs in the country ( consistently, for very many years amongst the top ten or fifteen clubs based on average gates ). For eight years ( I think ) we have been outside the top league. Our gates are still good, even after that length of time there are always Prem teams with smaller gates. We have in the past won the League Cup a few times and been in four FA cup finals. We have won the second ( championship ) league title more than anyone, except maybe one other club, not sure. We have wealthy owners, great facilities, great support, a great stadium, an excellent squad, good coaching, brilliant youth set up and lots more. An average position in the country of about 25th best team in England for the last 10 years is not good enough for me, and I am not wrong or in any way out of line by expecting more, or even demanding more. Fifth in the Championship and getting knocked out of the League Cup by Burton, at this stage of the season is poor. How do any of the things you list mean we have a divine right to be top of the league? As I said, there are many other sides in this league with rich history, fantastic squads, fantastic fans, fantastic facilities - some of them better than us. Why do we automatically deserve to be ahead of them in the league? You talk about our average position over the last ten years - is that all Pearson's fault then? The truth is, he's been our last manager in the last ten years. He took us back to the Championship when we were at our lowest ebb. He took us to the playoffs in his first season in the Championship, he did the best he could with Sven's misfits last season and since then he's cleared out the dross and built - in your words - an excellent squad and we're now firmly in the playoffs and still well in contention for a top two spot, having our best season in TEN YEARS and you're still not happy because we're not winning the league at a canter? You expect more of Leicester City? What exactly have they done to give you the reason to expect ANYTHING over the past ten years? Nothing. It's only now that we look like a side capable of challenging from promotion from this league apart from Pearson's last tenure here. Indierich06, and other posters who see nothing wrong, the Championship may be competitive, but I agree with Gus Poyet, it is crap, and fifth in the table with what we have at our disposal is not good. There are a number of teams within a few points of us who are absolutely rubbish. What does that make us. I will tell what it does not make, it doesn't make us good. So the league is competitive but crap at the same time? How does that work then?
Oxfordfox83 Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 OK, read this then. We have been one of the biggest clubs in the country ( consistently, for very many years amongst the top ten or fifteen clubs based on average gates ). For eight years ( I think ) we have been outside the top league. Our gates are still good, even after that length of time there are always Prem teams with smaller gates. We have in the past won the League Cup a few times and been in four FA cup finals. We have won the second ( championship ) league title more than anyone, except maybe one other club, not sure. We have wealthy owners, great facilities, great support, a great stadium, an excellent squad, good coaching, brilliant youth set up and lots more. An average position in the country of about 25th best team in England for the last 10 years is not good enough for me, and I am not wrong or in any way out of line by expecting more, or even demanding more. Fifth in the Championship and getting knocked out of the League Cup by Burton, at this stage of the season is poor. If that is good enough for you, that is up to you, but do not knock me or any other fan who expects more. We are, with what we have available even now, under-performing - FACT! I'll knock you as much as I want. You talk drivel, and harping on about the past makes you sound like Forest, and about gates makes you sound like Leeds. In the last ten years, we've been the worst team in the premiership, promoted twice, relegated twice, and never played better than we have done this season. I'm at least as ambitious for the club as you, but if you think changing the manager is the solution why not follow Milan? The grass is always greener near him...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Oh dear me I see the "I'm more right than you" bug has hit Foxes Talk again! The only thing that is fact at this point is it is ALL opinion or conjecture. Why on earth do both ends of the spectrum have to abuse and think that posting the same point countless times makes you right? Whatever league managers lose games, make tactical gaffs that are mostly highlighted in hindsight and are berated by the fans. The reason we get kneejerk reactions is because we want OUR team to win every game which isn't going to happen! The club needs stability and I feel with the right additions in January we can push on and be in the shake up for automatics! That is my opinion it doesn't make me a Pearson lover I just feel we are heading in the right direction.If it doesn't happen I will not lambast NP or call for his head there is far too much of that in the beautiful game. I think we as supporters should do just that and unite.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Oh dear me I see the "I'm more right than you" bug has hit Foxes Talk again! The only thing that is fact at this point is it is ALL opinion or conjecture. Why on earth do both ends of the spectrum have to abuse and think that posting the same point countless times makes you right? Whatever league managers lose games, make tactical gaffs that are mostly highlighted in hindsight and are berated by the fans. The reason we get kneejerk reactions is because we want OUR team to win every game which isn't going to happen! The club needs stability and I feel with the right additions in January we can push on and be in the shake up for automatics! That is my opinion it doesn't make me a Pearson lover I just feel we are heading in the right direction.If it doesn't happen I will not lambast NP or call for his head there is far too much of that in the beautiful game. I think we as supporters should do just that and unite. Oh you DO post some little beauties..
ADK Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Didn't read all this bollocks, but i think if we keep getting done by the same teams and can't adapt our tactics other than four four two, then Pearson will hopefully move on in the summer. No point axing the manager when we sit in 5th halfway through a season though. One thing i will say is that i think the scouting network under Pearson have been great in both terms. It would be a shame to lose that, but we do need to get promoted.
bald reynard Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Mark McGhee is newly available Brian Little, as well !
Bluetintedspecs Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Oh you DO post some little beauties.. And a whole lot of shite? cheers bud, I just get a little frustrated with some of the terrible Kneejerk reactions, love debate and genuiely believe some of the more controversial posts contain pertinent statements, however when containing or met with vitriol it negates any valid points.
Corky Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Managers and teams can be sussed out. See what happened to us under Peter Taylor as an example. Love how the pro-Pearson brigade are getting giddy at us being within a couple of points of such footballing giants as Hull and Middlesbrough. I love how you say it, as though we shouldn't back the manager and those that do are deluded.
Babylon Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 I can clarify my position pre season. After the Sunderland game I told friends and colleagues that we would not be playing Sunderland next season because we would be promoted and they would be relegated. I also said that Drinkwater would be our top performer this season and that he and James as a holding midfield duo would be excellent for us. The Sunderland bit was somewhat tongue in cheek, but it is true to say they are not a good premiership team I have always, I mean for years, been consistent about Andy King in that I have never believed him to be strong enough or resilient enough to play central midfield in a 4-4-2 formation and I'm going back to the Wellens and Oakley days. I have always been consistently critical about Wellens, Gallagher and King when they all played together, with the rider that King could be good in the right formation or when given a suitable role in the team. I believe I have always been right. For years I have been right, at least I still think there is nothing happening with any of the players I have mentioned which could remotely prove me wrong. I have always been critical of Lloyd Dyer over the years as well, believing him OK as a squad or impact player, but if you read my recent posts you will notice I have complemented both him and Waghorn as much improved players through the coaching they are getting. I think much more highly of Waghorn since his recent run than I ever have before. He is a much better player now than he used to be. The coaching and purchasing by are management team, if you might read my posts, have been much praised by me. I am entirely consistent in my views and will remain so. 4-4-2 with King, Drinkwater, Dyer and Knockaert will not get us promoted. That is not a criticism of any of those players. Two, or three or sometimes all four would play in my selected team, although one or two of them could at times start on the bench. Just to repeat myself yet again for clarity there is nothing wrong with our squad, our team ethic, our support, our ability, our potential or our facilities or vision for the club and the owners determination to achieve. BUT, as against Cardiff in the play-offs and on innumerable occasions since, including both Pearson's first stint and this season, I question in a very serious way his tactical ability. Has your stance on our "defensive frailty" changed at all... you know, with us having the best defence in the league and all?
Leicester_Numan Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Indierich06, and other posters who see nothing wrong, the Championship may be competitive, but I agree with Gus Poyet, it is crap, and fifth in the table with what we have at our disposal is not good. There are a number of teams within a few points of us who are absolutely rubbish. What does that make us. I will tell what it does not make, it doesn't make us good. I think by average he meant that a lot of the teams are about the same standard. And who is saying there's nothing wrong? We're far from the finished product but considering the starting point of what Sven left, Pearson has done a superb job sorting it out and making us competitive while trying to massively reduce the wage bill. We'd all like to see a bit more variation in his formations but as I said earlier, who's to say it's going to work any better? If he changes things and we lose he'll get slagged off for changing it, hindsight as we all know is 20/20. The one thing that does bug me a bit about Pearson is when he brings on subs way too late to affect the game when we're losing
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 December 2012 Posted 18 December 2012 Has your stance on our "defensive frailty" changed at all... you know, with us having the best defence in the league and all? You're doing your usual thing again... Yes, the defensive record is good. Our away form isn't. Rather than continually going on about what's good, why not at least try to examine what's not so good... Ie our form away from home. Don't you get bored simply dismissing anyone who try's to even critically examine the situation? To do so doesn't mean we want Nigel out... That would be ridiculous.. It's just, well, discussing stuff? Good and not so good.
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