ballso Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 i find these type of things really interesting. if you can, watch a documentary called 'into the abyss' by werner herzog. also, the paradise lost trilogy.
foxfanazer Posted 17 January 2013 Author Posted 17 January 2013 i find these type of things really interesting. if you can, watch a documentary called 'into the abyss' by werner herzog. also, the paradise lost trilogy. cheers I'll have a watch
RobHawk Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Can't believe they sent Santa Claus to death row!
foxfanazer Posted 17 January 2013 Author Posted 17 January 2013 Santa is doing life?! Can't believe they sent Santa Claus to death row! beat me to it!
Guest Bilo Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 I was about to say Uncle Albert, but Santa's a good call as well.
RobHawk Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Yeah got out of death row because the judge was biased! Probably johovah's witness
foxfanazer Posted 17 January 2013 Author Posted 17 January 2013 I was about to say Uncle Albert good shout, like that episode when they go to France and there are loads of his lookalikes
RobHawk Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 They were clearly messed up kids and one of them, Jon Venables, clearly always will be a wrong 'un considering he's in prison again for child porn offences. I'd advocate keeping him inside for a very long time because he's proved himself to be a danger as an adult. Robert Thompson, to the best of the public's knowledge, hasn't reoffended since his release in 2001. Again agree with bilo. I do think the amount of time those two did was a little lenient but no way should they have had life
foxfanazer Posted 17 January 2013 Author Posted 17 January 2013 That guy that killed a cop "When I found out I killed him it destroyed me, so when I woke up....." no remorse there
ScouseFox Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Very interesting program that. Thoughtful quote to end it on from that guy, something along the lines of: "I killed someone and you put me on death row because you tell me it's wrong, yet you have already planned to kill me, surely that's wrong too?"
Rincewind Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 It's worse in a way because the jury convicts, the judge passes the deat sentence and the prison prelongs the action for a number of years with plenty of time to reflect on the action.. The murderer rarely plans it andmay have killed in an instance through panic or intinct. If it was planned it would not be as long as 20 years.
acooling08 Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Very interesting program that. Thoughtful quote to end it on from that guy, something along the lines of: "I killed someone and you put me on death row because you tell me it's wrong, yet you have already planned to kill me, surely that's wrong too?" Can't comment on his individual situation and I don't advocate killing all those convicted of murder, although the majority I would have killed. I think it's the only 'fair' outcome for somebody who has taken another life, and ruined the lives of the victims families. The argument of 'Killing those who kill is wrong' or it 'makes you just as bad as them' really irks me as an argument though (there are far better against capital punishment). I victim of a murder doesn't deserve to die, but a convicted killer does. That's the difference for me.
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Can't comment on his individual situation and I don't advocate killing all those convicted of murder, although the majority I would have killed. I think it's the only 'fair' outcome for somebody who has taken another life, and ruined the lives of the victims families. The argument of 'Killing those who kill is wrong' or it 'makes you just as bad as them' really irks me as an argument though (there are far better against capital punishment). I victim of a murder doesn't deserve to die, but a convicted killer does. That's the difference for me. What if he's wrongly convicted?
Fox_in_spain Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 What if he's wrongly convicted? Troy Davis anyone?
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Troy Davis anyone? Add to that the 140+ death row inmates who have been proven innocent, who knows how many more there are.
Guesty Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 What if he's wrongly convicted? That and the fact money has big baring on the outcome I read about a case once where a young man who was well-off murdered someone, he got life. His mentally challenged accomplice who was poor and didn't kill anyone (but as an accomplice can be charged with the same crime) got the death penalty. He had the mental age of a 11 year old; was in Texas I think. I'm not against the death penalty but when the outcome is so heavily weighted on how much you can spend to get the best lawyer to defend you, it has big flaws.
Fox_in_spain Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 Add to that the 140+ death row inmates who have been proven innocent, who knows how many more there are. I don't doubt that, it's just that Troy Davis immediately sprang to mind after all the furor a couple of years ago. That was ridiculous though...7 of the 9 witnesses recanted, saying they were forced to identify him as the murderer. The other two testimonies were from two far away to be reliable, and the case was built entirely upon eyewitness testimony. And even then, he didn't get a reprieve...
Rincewind Posted 17 January 2013 Posted 17 January 2013 At a night school course we covered the Bentley and Craig case which took place around 1952. From conviction to caryying out the death penalty it took around 2 months. Bently was 18 but had the mental age of an eleven year old. Craig was 16 and gun mad. On the night Craig's brother had just been convicted of robbery and imprisoned. He wanted revenge. Bentley and Craig ended up on a roof where after police had been alerted a policeman arrived. It was then Bentley uttered the famous words. 'Let him have it' This was believed eventually to mean shoot but it could easily have meant give him the gun. It was dark and the one eye witness was across the street and needed glasses. Bentley was hung despite protests. The home secretary at the time said he would look at the petition after the hanging because the youth of the day needed to be sent a message about unruly behavior. Craig was released a few years later and as far as I know never reoffended. The lawyer in the case was useless and did not question many of the flaws in the prosecution case. The case was rushed because of the high press media profile it gained.
cambridgefox Posted 18 January 2013 Posted 18 January 2013 Fourteen days in may. Most sad documentary I saw years ago.Follows the last 14 days of an inmate before his execution .Many believe wrongly. Watch it if you can.
kingfox Posted 18 January 2013 Posted 18 January 2013 Interesting programme tonight, got me hooked. Sir Trev is a brave man for stepping in there.
James. Posted 18 January 2013 Posted 18 January 2013 Armed robbery then tried to get away but his car wouldn't start, in a panic he jumped in a car with 3 people in it! Didn't do anything to any of them but got 3 counts of kidnapping on top of armed robbery Are you sure? I though they said he got 3 life sentences plus 10 years. Which suggests that even though he didn't mention killing anyone it's possible he ended up killing the people he kidnapped (hence 3 life sentences) and then an extra 10 years for the robbery and kidnap. Maybe I heard it wrong but I'm sure life sentences were mentioned. I know they're harsh over there but would he really get all that time just for robbery and kidnap?
skinnydipper Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Fourteen days in may. Most sad documentary I saw years ago.Follows the last 14 days of an inmate before his execution .Many believe wrongly. Watch it if you can. Featuring Clive Stafford Smith. Excellent documentary.
foxfanazer Posted 24 January 2013 Author Posted 24 January 2013 Featuring Clive Stafford Smith. Excellent documentary. will have to find this and have a watch. Cheers
skinnydipper Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 will have to find this and have a watch. Cheers Not really one to enjoy as such but very powerful. Influential in changing my opinion re use of the death penalty.
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