Fecking ejuts

[Babylon]

I thought it could have been one of the better ones if Stringer hadn't been so quick to try and be polemic.

I would also say reducing a debate down to 'you're not a true fan' and 'support the team' ignores the larger debate. One fellow somewhat inelegantly expressed the opinion that Woods' success is covering over many cracks. The scouting side have played a blinder with Woods but take him out of the side and there's a coastal shelf sized drop off in terms of talent to Waggy and Vardy. Likewise take out James and or Drinkwater and that midfield is poor.

Stringer missed a chance to debate whether the squad is good enough instead opting for the easy 'chief you're not a real fan" angle. He also missed the chance to debate WHY altering the side was good/bad.

I'm sorry but what do people expect? 11 other squad members equally as good as the first 11, it just doesn't work like that. You could take the best players out of any team and they would probably struggle.

As Mark said, you highlight James and Wood but we had barely been out of the play offs even when they weren't playing. Yes Wood has added that extra dimension that could take us from playoff contender to automatic contender, something people had been calling out for. But now even that's not good enough, we need another great striker to sit on the bench.

As Pearson has said, we need to stop collecting players. If we get an injury and we need another player I'm sure he will move into the market and get one on loan. We aren't restricted by the window at the end of the month for them.

[indierich06]

I read most threads, if I like them or not.

You don't have to comment in them though. Or is that just an attempt to get your post count up and get banterous rep points?

[indierich06]

I thought it could have been one of the better ones if Stringer hadn't been so quick to try and be polemic.

I would also say reducing a debate down to 'you're not a true fan' and 'support the team' ignores the larger debate. One fellow somewhat inelegantly expressed the opinion that Woods' success is covering over many cracks. The scouting side have played a blinder with Woods but take him out of the side and there's a coastal shelf sized drop off in terms of talent to Waggy and Vardy. Likewise take out James and or Drinkwater and that midfield is poor.

Stringer missed a chance to debate whether the squad is good enough instead opting for the easy 'chief you're not a real fan" angle. He also missed the chance to debate WHY altering the side was good/bad.

Yeah, funny that isn't it? If you take the best players out of the side, suddenly the side's not as good? I wonder why that could be?

[Dan]

I think the gentleman expressed the opinion that had he known that the side would be so weakened, fielding our 5th choice centre mid, along with our 7th best strike pairing combo, then he'd have rather not travelled two hours to see what he saw (rightly or wrongly) as an inevitable result. I'm not too bothered by the rights and wrongs of this opinion, it's the mans money and choice, I'm simply concerned that if we wish to maintain our wonderful recent form then we'll possibly need strengthening in centre mid and upfront.

I found it massively disrespectful towards fans who've missed out on tickets because of people who genuinely wouldn't go for that reason, it's the story of our support nowadays though, too many who literally only care about the team and nothing else and if it's not exactly how they want it, they won't bother, that to me does the bloke himself no favours.

We maybe could do with strengthening but it's such a nobbish way to put it.

[Dan]

I'm sorry but what do people expect? 11 other squad members equally as good as the first 11, it just doesn't work like that. You could take the best players out of any team and they would probably struggle.

As Mark said, you highlight James and Wood but we had barely been out of the play offs even when they weren't playing. Yes Wood has added that extra dimension that could take us from playoff contender to automatic contender, something people had been calling out for. But now even that's not good enough, we need another great striker to sit on the bench.

As Pearson has said, we need to stop collecting players. If we get an injury and we need another player I'm sure he will move into the market and get one on loan. We aren't restricted by the window at the end of the month for them.

No doubt about it. There's a fine line between ambition and being spoilt and our fans are about the most spoilt in the land. We get up to any position and it's viewed as a disgrace if we're ever below it.

[Babylon]

I think the gentleman expressed the opinion that had he known that the side would be so weakened, fielding our 5th choice centre mid, along with our 7th best strike pairing combo, then he'd have rather not travelled two hours to see what he saw (rightly or wrongly) as an inevitable result. I'm not too bothered by the rights and wrongs of this opinion, it's the mans money and choice, I'm simply concerned that if we wish to maintain our wonderful recent form then we'll possibly need strengthening in centre mid and upfront.

You have to question the guys knowledge of football really. It's the cup, a competition we and others have fielded weaker teams in many times before (we have this season already) so it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out we might field a weaker team considering our position in the league.

[danny.]

What's an 'ejut'?

[Bayfox]

It's not striving for better though, I'm very much in agreement that we need to not allow our league form to cloud the wrongs at the club and constructive criticism should be more than welcomed, but some 'fans' are literally a liability to the club and I cannot see what good having people waiting for us to slip up (it's true) does.

whilst I agree that the moan in caller was a complete muppet, I never expected us to play a full side, so don't know why he thought we would and yes I think we would be better off without so call supporters like him, when someone comes on and says if we were Barca we still wouldn't be happy, that's just laughable.But should everyone just accept what we have and that's it? I'm off the opinion Vardy isn't good enough, other people may disagree. But it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

[Oxfordfox83]

I thought it could have been one of the better ones if Stringer hadn't been so quick to try and be polemic.

I would also say reducing a debate down to 'you're not a true fan' and 'support the team' ignores the larger debate. One fellow somewhat inelegantly expressed the opinion that Woods' success is covering over many cracks. The scouting side have played a blinder with Woods but take him out of the side and there's a coastal shelf sized drop off in terms of talent to Waggy and Vardy. Likewise take out James and or Drinkwater and that midfield is poor.

Stringer missed a chance to debate whether the squad is good enough instead opting for the easy 'chief you're not a real fan" angle. He also missed the chance to debate WHY altering the side was good/bad.

Did I miss the post where you explained your bizarre insistence on getting Wood's name wrong?

[Guest]

It's threads like these that piss me off.

You have a choice, listen to it or don't listen to it.

As it's annoying you, switch the damn thing off.

You could have ignored his post!!

[Dan]

whilst I agree that the moan in caller was a complete muppet, I never expected us to play a full side, so don't know why he thought we would and yes I think we would be better off without so call supporters like him, when someone comes on and says if we were Barca we still wouldn't be happy, that's just laughable.But should everyone just accept what we have and that's it? I'm off the opinion Vardy isn't good enough, other people may disagree. But it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

There's a huge difference between having an opinion (like you) and claiming you've got no interest in being part of it at all if they don't play the team you want, in a cup that will predictably take a back seat in terms of the side (like him).

[fleckneymike]

And that without James or Drinkwater our midfield is 'poor', despite the fact that they rarely played together in the first half of the season when we were in the play-offs.

I believe I stated "and or". You're correct we did occupy play off positions, now we occupy an automatic spot thanks in no small part to Pearson singing very good players and finding the best combination. Take out, what is currently, our best combo and the difference is huge. Our central options extend to just 3 players, I am discounting Wellens due to his lack of fitness and waning powers. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe we could do with additional cover in that area. Likewise up front we have two very good players and two desperately out of form ones.

I'm not expecting our 'reserves' to be of an equal standard to the first XI but I would like the gap to be smaller.

I believe Pearsons hand was forced somewhat at Huddersfield and whilst not liking the lineup I'm not criticising him for it, I do maintain that it's shown us the gulf, rather than slight difference in class. Personally I feel that needs addressing.

[Mark_w]

I believe Pearsons hand was forced somewhat at Huddersfield and whilst not liking the lineup I'm not criticising him for it, I do maintain that it's shown us the gulf, rather than slight difference in class. Personally I feel that needs addressing.

It was 0-0 when three of them were replaced and that was with a load of back-up options playing together at a time. But if say you replace James and Wood with King and Waghorn, it's still a fairly good side (the one that got us into the play-offs), whilst it would in theory be nice to have four players up front like Wood and Nugent things like that are only going to cause problems because keeping top players like that happy when they're on the bench is no easy task, I doubt Pearson could do it and let's face it I'm more aggresivley pro-Pearson than most on here.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I'm sorry but what do people expect? 11 other squad members equally as good as the first 11, it just doesn't work like that. You could take the best players out of any team and they would probably struggle.

Exactly.

Which is when you get this...

Do fans really think that Cardiff, Crystal Palace, Watford and the rest have players of similar quality in all positions if their best players get injured? Give me strength!

[fleckneymike]

It was 0-0 when three of them were replaced and that was with a load of back-up options playing together at a time. But if say you replace James and Wood with King and Waghorn, it's still a fairly good side (the one that got us into the play-offs), whilst it would in theory be nice to have four players up front like Wood and Nugent things like that are only going to cause problems because keeping top players like that happy when they're on the bench is no easy task, I doubt Pearson could do it and let's face it I'm more aggresivley pro-Pearson than most on here.

I'm sure you're not doing this deliberately but I'm not asking for players of equal ability, I think it's a valid concern that we have players who are so far behind in quality.

Our aspiration is promotion, and preferably automatic promotion. I do not feel it unreasonable to state that, if as on Saturday, our hand was forced via injury or suspension, that fielding all of Waghorn, Vardy and Wellens in the same line up would leave us considerably weakened.

Personally I cannot foresee Pearson willingly fielding those three but the fact remains that an injury to Wood or Nugent sees one of Waghorn or Vardy promoted to a starting birth and neither player poses a significant risk to the opposition. Likewise a suspension or injury to one or more of our best 3 central midfielders leaves Wellens as the heir to their position. Sadly time has significantly dimmed whatever powers he possessed leaving just a shadow of what he once was.

Whilst these might seem, to some, as far fetched scenarios one need only look at our central defence to see how common multiple injuries are. Pearson once again has used his scouting network and connections to their fullest to secure Keane, the loaning of Lindegard shows he is aware of an issue in the midfield but whether the finances or solution are out there reminds to be seen.

[fleckneymike]

I found it massively disrespectful towards fans who've missed out on tickets because of people who genuinely wouldn't go for that reason, it's the story of our support nowadays though, too many who literally only care about the team and nothing else and if it's not exactly how they want it, they won't bother, that to me does the bloke himself no favours.

We maybe could do with strengthening but it's such a nobbish way to put it.

I don't believe it is disrespectful. One must assume that the fellow raising the objection has a high priority allocation owing to the fact he obtained tickets whilst others did not.

Once again I feel impugning the validity of another persons support is a lazy tactic. That chap bought a ticket in good faith and felt that the lineup was weakened beyond what he perceived to be a reasonable level. His decision to attend or not is immaterial, the debate is whether the line up was correct. If the aim was victory then we can say it was marginally off.

[Mark_w]

I'm sure you're not doing this deliberately but I'm not asking for players of equal ability, I think it's a valid concern that we have players who are so far behind in quality.

The players who are currently third choice CM and ST started the majority of games in the first half of the season and were part of a team that found itself in 5th place. I believe you expected us to be doing worse than that at the start of this season, so those players must have been doing something right?

Our aspiration is promotion, and preferably automatic promotion. I do not feel it unreasonable to state that, if as on Saturday, our hand was forced via injury or suspension, that fielding all of Waghorn, Vardy and Wellens in the same line up would leave us considerably weakened.

Personally I cannot foresee Pearson willingly fielding those three but the fact remains that an injury to Wood or Nugent sees one of Waghorn or Vardy promoted to a starting birth and neither player poses a significant risk to the opposition. Likewise a suspension or injury to one or more of our best 3 central midfielders leaves Wellens as the heir to their position. Sadly time has significantly dimmed whatever powers he possessed leaving just a shadow of what he once was.

The chances of both Wood and Nugent being injured/suspended as well as two of King, James and Drinkwater picking up injuries and suspensions (which is what it would take for Wellens to get back in) are very slim. If we do pick up two injuries in either position then we could simply look to the loan market to find another option which is a far more sensible option than buying another new player who probably is going to want to be starting games (If they're significantly better than Vardy, Waghorn and King I'd say they'll probably want to be starting games) and paying the extra wages when we're already spending far too much and have spent too much in terms of wages on signings made in the last couple of years.

[woddyuk]

Thought first couple of chaps were ok but went downhill after that. Bring back gally?? Wtf Please!!!!!

[fleckneymike]

The players who are currently third choice CM and ST started the majority of games in the first half of the season and were part of a team that found itself in 5th place. I believe you expected us to be doing worse than that at the start of this season, so those players must have been doing something right?

The chances of both Wood and Nugent being injured/suspended as well as two of King, James and Drinkwater picking up injuries and suspensions (which is what it would take for Wellens to get back in) are very slim. If we do pick up two injuries in either position then we could simply look to the loan market to find another option which is a far more sensible option than buying another new player who probably is going to want to be starting games (If they're significantly better than Vardy, Waghorn and King I'd say they'll probably want to be starting games) and paying the extra wages when we're already spending far too much and have spent too much in terms of wages on signings made in the last couple of years.

Again I'm sure your not doing this intentionally but in my reply I did not mention King. Wellens as our 'reserve' midfielder is sadly no longer of a standard that could help us maintain our position. As he is one of our 4 available players this is a concern.

In terms of strikers then I will firmly nail my colours to the mast and state that neither Waghorn nor Vardy have, at any point this season, proven they are a sustained goal threat. Their 7 league goals from 40 league apps indicates this. The very fact that Woods has (albeit spectacularly) scored 5 league goals (7 in total) from just 3 league and 2 cup appearances shows the absolute chasm in class and threat. Yes this form is unlikely to continue but with 18 from 24 it has the chance to tick along nicely.

[Mark_w]

Again I'm sure your not doing this intentionally but in my reply I did not mention King. Wellens as our 'reserve' midfielder is sadly no longer of a standard that could help us maintain our position. As he is one of our 4 available players this is a concern.

It's only a concern if we pick up two injuries, at which point I'm sure we'll be looking to the loan market. I'm bringing up King because you said that without Drinkwater and/or James we have a poor midfield, if it's or then that isn't the case.

[Bluetintedspecs]

I don't believe it is disrespectful. One must assume that the fellow raising the objection has a high priority allocation owing to the fact he obtained tickets whilst others did not.

Once again I feel impugning the validity of another persons support is a lazy tactic. That chap bought a ticket in good faith and felt that the lineup was weakened beyond what he perceived to be a reasonable level. His decision to attend or not is immaterial, the debate is whether the line up was correct. If the aim was victory then we can say it was marginally off.

Surely Mike the chap bought the ticket in blind faith to follow his team and be a supporter? An alternative point of view which I'm sure you'll welcome?

[fleckneymike]

Surely Mike the chap bought the ticket in blind faith to follow his team and be a supporter? An alternative point of view which I'm sure you'll welcome?

I would hope none of us buy a ticket in blind faith. That would indicate an over reliance on fate and luck and negate the importance of the manager and the players.

I have no idea why the fellow bought a ticket, the fact he did is all I care about. How one chooses to follow the side is entirely down the individual.

[Bluetintedspecs]

I would hope none of us buy a ticket in blind faith. That would indicate an over reliance on fate and luck and negate the importance of the manager and the players.

I have no idea why the fellow bought a ticket, the fact he did is all I care about. How one chooses to follow the side is entirely down the individual.

Disagree, managers and players did not stop me from following the team, myself and many many others have witnessed some right dross over many many years but still supported.the team. So if you applied your logic the stands would have been almost empty for many a year!

[Bayfox]

Heres my point of view. I knew we wouldn't field a full side however.

King in place of dd but with james would have been worth playing as this maybe something we have to do in the run in. Not with wellens who i really hope has no part to play.

Like wise playing wood with waghorn would have been ideal. Waggy has played with nugent and we have seen wood and nugent work well. So if 1 or other of the front 2 is missing and we have to put someone in. We know it will be waghorn so 45 mins with wood could have been useful.

I just felt we could have killed the game off early then rested. But the majority of us went because its our club and we go no matter what.

Ok i went to chalk off another ground as well. But NP knows what the owners want and will do what he deems best.

[fleckneymike]

Disagree, managers and players did not stop me from following the team, myself and many many others have witnessed some right dross over many many years but still supported.the team. So if you applied your logic the stands would have been almost empty for many a year!

Almost like they were during the McClintock era, or the Pleat era or heaven forfend during the successful promotion season under Milne when a mere 12k turned up.

I can only assume your use of a bold font is intended to indicate that those who use 'blind faith' are more supportive of their side, how you or anyone else chooses to express your 'support' for Leicester is entirely down to you I would however prefer it if people didn't seek to claim an authenticity to their particular mode of support.

I too have witnessed much dross in my 15 years as a season ticket holder, but not once did I ever purchase in blind faith, I have never arrived at a game buoyed by blind faith, I have always, for better or worse, assumed those running the club had some sort of plan in place. If we all had blind faith no manager would ever be sacked because our blind faith would indicate we felt that results would inevitably improve. Perhaps you mean you go more in hope than expectation?