Grewks Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Recently started a new part-time job during the study for my degree. I agreed the 16 hour a week (4x 4 hour shifts) contract. However, for my first week this week they have put me down to do.... tuesday - 1 til 5 thursday - 9 til 1 (thank god i can make the home leg) friday - 10 til 4 saturday - 9 til 5 30 Now....even though i did my a-levels, but did not do one in maths, i am pretty sure the above totals to 22 hours, but my contract clearly states that i am contracted to 16 hours a week. I am not really fussed about 4x 4 hour shifts, as i would be willing to work 8x 2 hour shifts or 2x 8 hour shifts etc.... I do understand the term 'over time', but surely that should be arranged, not just expected? I am sure many of you will just think this is 'lazy', but i am entitled to a yearly government grant of £4000 for my degree, as long as i work less than 72 hours a month, so by working these hours, i will not be entitled to the funding. can they just increase your hours without any notice?
foxfanazer Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 This should have been stated in your contract I think? Just discuss your predicament with your new employer and surely they'll understand
Xen Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 If it's a part-time job, your contract more likely means that's the minimum amount of hours you will get each week. If there's a problem working more, just ask and they should give you less in future if that's what you want. My old job at Sports Direct was a zero-hours contract, but it wasn't uncommon to be given 20+ hour weeks, depending on your availability and how busy it was likely to be.
Thracian Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs.
Finnegan Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. Yeah, that's right, he should work every hour they give him and have no time to study. You are a moron.
Foxhateram Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. Bit of an exaggeration!? The lad is studying and agreed to a contract that matches his free time. Mate talk to them and let them know what you can and can't do, be firm. If you let it slip then they will add more and more, I had this a few summers ago, ended up working nearly full time with hardly any days off for weeks and weeks. Also write down and spreadsheet ALL HOURS you work, keep close records. I got screwed and had to try and claim over 600 pound back from the country as I was underpaid.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. If you employ a student part time you cannot expect them to miss study to help you out. That would make you a stupid employer.
Jimothy Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. Wow! Talk about completely missing the point. The lads agreed to an amount of hours he can comfortably do whilst studying. Also as he stated, should he work over a certain amount of hours he'll lose thousands funding from elsewhere, something I'm sure a couple of extra hours of part time work won't cover. I don't think he'd be a terrible employee, I think you'd be a terrible employer.
Finnegan Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Wow! Talk about completely missing the point. The lads agreed to an amount of hours he can comfortably do whilst studying. Also as he stated, should he work over a certain amount of hours he'll lose thousands funding from elsewhere, something I'm sure a couple of extra hours of part time work won't cover. I don't think he'd be a terrible employee, I think you'd be a terrible employer. Seriously. The lad shouldn't be berated for being lazy, he should be applauded for working whilst studying.
MooseBreath Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Are there actually students who don't work whilst studying?? Fair enough I suppose if you're being bank rolled by mum and dad but I thought the vast majority would need part time work during term time and full time work during holidays. Or is this another case of the government giving away way more money in grants and shit than is needed?
Finnegan Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 When I was at uni there were a lot of people being bankrolled by mummy and daddy. Two out of the six in my house wworked and I felt like I was in a tiny minority in my halls of residence that had a job. I didn't know anyone with a government grant but MDX did give out a bonus for those with high a level scores. I was on that and I'm sure it was only like £500 tops per school year. You couldn't live on that, it was just incentive to get higher achievers, funded by the uni. This was all during the last government, however. No idea what it's like now though I doubt as many parents can float their kids through college.
Grewks Posted 8 May 2013 Author Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. What you mean employees which don't exceed their contracted hours? As many have said above, i think you would be a terrible employer, and to have the attitude you have, you would be lucky to have any employees. Would you say the same to a female employee who was pregnant? Refusing her maternity leave because there is 'extra work' to be done?? In my opinion, there should be no different treatment given with regards to working hours, between a student and a pregnant woman. The employee is aware of the situations of both, and therefore should be treated equally. I have no intention of 'going to a union', and to say that one employee who only works 16 hours a week could result in the closure of a business is just crazy. As for 'complaining' i don't think i have done any of that in this thread. I was just wanting fellow thoughts and advice. I could theoretically earn just as much from spending time on the dole during my degree - but do i want to do that? Hell no.
MooseBreath Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 You can't get jsa if you're a dull time student I don't think, otherwise they'd all be at it, lazy little shits.
Finnegan Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 You can't get jsa if you're a dull time student I don't think, otherwise they'd all be at it, lazy little shits. This!
AyewJoking Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 if you have a contract to work 16 hours then they breaking it by expecting you to work longer without telling you.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 I'm contracted for 18 hours a week and up until recently was doing 22 minimum every week. The other day I just told my employer I can't do any more for the next few weeks because I've got my A-Levels coming up, he said that was fine. So a) think of the extra money and get in your managers good books or b) just have a word with him.
act smiley Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. Ahhh, yes let's all get down on our knees and worship The Business. Can't be that something has been badly planned or is exploitative, its just that we're not fully understanding the importance of the needs of The Business. This is quite simply a case of someone being concerned they had agreed to do something but were being asked to do something else. Its perfectly appropriate that they are double checking this before they start so they know where they stand, and they aren't going in all in a huff about it. The only overreaction here is yours (and well, mine too now!)
leicesterlad1989 Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Just get on with it, show willing and if there's extra work to be done be thankful. You're just the sort I'd hate to employ. Some guys are an asset and willing to pull their sleeves up with the rest of the team if things need doing. Others do nothing but complain and are just the sort who join tades unions and help make companies so uncompetitive they close down costing the entire workforce their jobs. BELLEND
Trav Le Bleu Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Seriously. The lad shouldn't be berated for being lazy, he should be applauded for working whilst studying. Also for being honest. How many would take the extra work and still try to claim the grant?
MPH Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 Recently started a new part-time job during the study for my degree. I agreed the 16 hour a week (4x 4 hour shifts) contract. However, for my first week this week they have put me down to do.... tuesday - 1 til 5 thursday - 9 til 1 (thank god i can make the home leg) friday - 10 til 4 saturday - 9 til 5 30 Now....even though i did my a-levels, but did not do one in maths, i am pretty sure the above totals to 22 hours, but my contract clearly states that i am contracted to 16 hours a week. I am not really fussed about 4x 4 hour shifts, as i would be willing to work 8x 2 hour shifts or 2x 8 hour shifts etc.... I do understand the term 'over time', but surely that should be arranged, not just expected? I am sure many of you will just think this is 'lazy', but i am entitled to a yearly government grant of £4000 for my degree, as long as i work less than 72 hours a month, so by working these hours, i will not be entitled to the funding. can they just increase your hours without any notice? I would absolutely NOT endorse the idea of working less so you can get free money. I do however endorse the idea of working less so that you have time to study... Otherwise there is no point in going to university..
AyewJoking Posted 8 May 2013 Posted 8 May 2013 I'm contracted for 18 hours a week and up until recently was doing 22 minimum every week. The other day I just told my employer I can't do any more for the next few weeks because I've got my A-Levels coming up, he said that was fine. So a) think of the extra money and get in your managers good books or b) just have a word with him.
Grewks Posted 8 May 2013 Author Posted 8 May 2013 I would absolutely NOT endorse the idea of working less so you can get free money. I do however endorse the idea of working less so that you have time to study... Otherwise there is no point in going to university.. it's not a case of working less for free money. It's a case of both needing time to study, and requiring the financial backing of the grant in order to continue my studies. The time it would take me to own a further £4000 a year, would result in not having enough time to study.
bigbadbaldy Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 How do you know they are making you work the hours, they might just need you a bit extra thinking you might appreciate the hours but obviously expecting you to question it if you cant do it! I dont see the big deal, why not talk to them as opposed to putting it on here?
21st Century Fox Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 There's no harm in questioning where he stands before hand.
Charl91 Posted 10 May 2013 Posted 10 May 2013 Maybe they'll just give you less hours the week after? Worth letting them know your situation.
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