Here's What I Heard

[inckley fox]

It's getting to be a poisoned chalice position like Liverpool's really. Overinflated ego fans who think they've a divine right to success despite no one thinking they're actually any good apart from themselves!

 

What? Our fans were told back in 2007 that Mandaric expected us to be an established top flight club. Since then we've been told the same thing repeatedly by successive boards, while enduring relegation to the third tier for the first time in our history and countless other disappointments. Despite this our attendances are still among the highest in the division and our away support has been credited as one of the finest in football. While I'm not a huge fan of our support (we seem to back the wrong managers at the wrong time, and turn on the right ones... such as sticking by Taylor and Sven, but turning on Little and O'Neill) I tend to think their high expectations are understandable, and to class them as a reason for our problems is absurd.

[Deucalion]

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

 

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

[indierich06]

 

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

 

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

 

Spot on.

[LcFc_Smiv]

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

 

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

This is the most sense anyone has posted in years!

[Deucalion]

 

 

 

Spot on.

 

 

 

This is the most sense anyone has posted in years!

 

 Steady on now !! 

[The Year Of The Fox]

What? Our fans were told back in 2007 that Mandaric expected us to be an established top flight club. Since then we've been told the same thing repeatedly by successive boards, while enduring relegation to the third tier for the first time in our history and countless other disappointments. Despite this our attendances are still among the highest in the division and our away support has been credited as one of the finest in football. While I'm not a huge fan of our support (we seem to back the wrong managers at the wrong time, and turn on the right ones... such as sticking by Taylor and Sven, but turning on Little and O'Neill) I tend to think their high expectations are understandable, and to class them as a reason for our problems is absurd.

MM was never going to say that we were a mediocre Championship side (which at the time he took over we were just that) You cannot simply base PL expectations on fanbase. There are plenty of clubs with similar support around the country who are also missing out on PL football. Deucalion or whoever got it bang on the nose.

[MC Prussian]

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

 

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

Yes, yes and yes. Hit the nail on the head there.

 

And the spoilt brats have picked an easy target about two seasons ago - Nigel Pearson.

 

I have yet to see that minority come forward with a decent and objective post-match analysis, having a go at a player of a couple of players.

Also, patience is a virtue and to some Leicester City fans, it's a chore.

[Monsell1976]

Yes, yes and yes. Hit the nail on the head there.

And the spoilt brats have picked an easy target about two seasons ago - Nigel Pearson.

I have yet to see that minority come forward with a decent and objective post-match analysis, having a go at a player of a couple of players.

Also, patience is a virtue and to some Leicester City fans, it's a chore.

To be fair alot of the so called brats have gave criticism of the players, and give constructive criticism post match.

I don't doubt there are people on here on both sides of the debate that are blinded by there hatred, or are that far up Pearsons arse, I'm surprised he can shxt, and it's clearly clouding people's judgement.

There is no doubt the players are partly to blame, as at times they have been very lacklustre.

I believe a manager should only be judged on results, and not wether he is popular or not.

This is were I have an issue, the results have been very poor, and inconsistent for the best part, and the blame must lie in the large part to the management team.

Inconsistency was a problem before Pearson arrived, and we are no nearer to becoming consistent, and he has had the time and finances to assemble his own team, and the excuse of him bringing in youth doesn't wash, he clearly should have brought in a better mix of youth and experience knowing the owners expectations, he buys them his choice, he has to answer to the owners.

The sooner we all accept that some of us are happy with a inconsistent, young squad which may or may not come good, and some want success now the better.

Due to the clubs finances I am with the latter, promotion wether we are ready or not is imperative for the clubs financial security.

[nickyboy]

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

Could not have put this better myself! Well said

[MC Prussian]

To be fair alot of the so called brats have gave criticism of the players, and give constructive criticism post match.

I don't doubt there are people on here on both sides of the debate that are blinded by there hatred, or are that far up Pearsons arse, I'm surprised he can shxt, and it's clearly clouding people's judgement.

There is no doubt the players are partly to blame, as at times they have been very lacklustre.

I believe a manager should only be judged on results, and not wether he is popular or not.

This is were I have an issue, the results have been very poor, and inconsistent for the best part, and the blame must lie in the large part to the management team.

Inconsistency was a problem before Pearson arrived, and we are no nearer to becoming consistent, and he has had the time and finances to assemble his own team, and the excuse of him bringing in youth doesn't wash, he clearly should have brought in a better mix of youth and experience knowing the owners expectations, he buys them his choice, he has to answer to the owners.

The sooner we all accept that some of us are happy with a inconsistent, young squad which may or may not come good, and some want success now the better.

Due to the clubs finances I am with the latter, promotion wether we are ready or not is imperative for the clubs financial security.

I haven't really come across of a lot of Pearson haters taking players' performance into account, I'm afraid.

 

I agree only to the extent that some of the results this season have been very poor and not the results as a whole (looking at the big picture). And that's probably a more accurate description than coming up with repetitious, general statements that more than often trifle with nonsense and personal attacks directed at the manager. Which I think is unheard of.

[seenitall]

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

 

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

Nice try to put a distance between the ability of the manager and the performance of the team but essentially the other teams that have done more to earn it than us have been better managed - why is it the moaning and expectant fans fault that the guy the owners appointed is not as good as other teams managers? Why did we not appoint Zola, Bruce or Mackay, or Allardyce or Adkins or any of the other guys, many of who did not have the budget or following of Leicester City - you can be as patient or happy with mediocre shite as you want chap - me, I think we deserve better

[MC Prussian]

Nice try to put a distance between the ability of the manager and the performance of the team but essentially the other teams that have done more to earn it than us have been better managed - why is it the moaning and expectant fans fault that the guy the owners appointed is not as good as other teams managers? Why did we not appoint Zola, Bruce or Mackay, or Allardyce or Adkins or any of the other guys, many of who did not have the budget or following of Leicester City - you can be as patient or happy with mediocre shite as you want chap - me, I think we deserve better

Maybe because they signed longer-lasting contracts with other/their respective clubs in the summer of 2012 or prior to that which would've been tremendously expensive to buy out for our owners?

 

Also, you neglect the possibility that other teams around us had the better team chemistry, better individual players, more luck, more money at their disposal this season (and the ones before), etc. etc.

 

Besides, why would Allardyce leave West Ham for Leicester?

 

Please let us all know which managers you mean by "the other guys". I'm intrigued by any more of your sensible suggestions.

 

In the end, it all boils down to what you define as "mediocre". I don't find finishing 6th and having a shot at the playoff final mediocre, on the contrary.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Maybe because they signed longer-lasting contracts with other/their respective clubs in the summer of 2012 or prior to that which would've been tremendously expensive to buy out for our owners?

 

Besides, why would Allardyce leave West Ham for Leicester?

 

Please let us all know which managers you mean by "the other guys". I'm intrigued by any more of your sensible suggestions.

He doesn't know any without hindsight

[seenitall]

As ever, the blinkered among you can't (or won't) see the point. We have the second biggest gate in the league, one of the highest levels of investment and therefore, with the playing field not level we should have been able to, over the past four seasons, have done better than 2 play off misses and 2 complete misses. In that time 12 teams have gone up (11 with one to go) and we have not managed it - this is a combination of the failure of our owners and their choices re management and expenditure.

 

To be happy with it is to settle for second best and to believe that is all we are worth means, for me, that you are part of the wave of apathy and acceptance of mediocrity that allows this to continue. I say demand better and you might just get it.

[ealingfox]

Nice try to put a distance between the ability of the manager and the performance of the team but essentially the other teams that have done more to earn it than us have been better managed - why is it the moaning and expectant fans fault that the guy the owners appointed is not as good as other teams managers? Why did we not appoint Zola, Bruce or Mackay, or Allardyce or Adkins or any of the other guys, many of who did not have the budget or following of Leicester City - you can be as patient or happy with mediocre shite as you want chap - me, I think we deserve better

 

You've got the wrong Nigel mate, Pearson has had a promotion and 2 top 6 finishes. This is the bloke you're looking for:

 

[seenitall]

You've got the wrong Nigel mate, Pearson has had a promotion and 2 top 6 finishes. This is the bloke you're looking for:

 

And our Nigel is better than this one because? Our team is better than theirs because?

[The Year Of The Fox]

And our Nigel is better than this one because? Our team is better than theirs because?

We finished above them?

[MC Prussian]

As ever, the blinkered among you can't (or won't) see the point. We have the second biggest gate in the league, one of the highest levels of investment and therefore, with the playing field not level we should have been able to, over the past four seasons, have done better than 2 play off misses and 2 complete misses. In that time 12 teams have gone up (11 with one to go) and we have not managed it - this is a combination of the failure of our owners and their choices re management and expenditure.

 

To be happy with it is to settle for second best and to believe that is all we are worth means, for me, that you are part of the wave of apathy and acceptance of mediocrity that allows this to continue. I say demand better and you might just get it.

See, you're just another one doing simple maths.

 

Your equation says more money = more success. Football isn't that simple, in particular not in this division (as we all know too well from own experience in the past and looking at other clubs).

 

Besides, if I'd settle for second best we could finish second best and that'd be fine by me. I don't settle for mediocrity, I believe that football is much more complicated than you're trying to make it out to be.

If I'd settle for second best, I wouldn't be supporting this club in the first place.

I say put things into perspective and look at the bigger picture - we're one of many Championship clubs and we don't have the god-given right to promotion.

[seenitall]

We finished above them?

And that gets us what? Come August we start in the same league as them, only difference is we spent more money to stay in the division - based on less money = great manager, Clough is arguably better than our Nige

[Corky]

lol

 

Clough is better than Pearson.

[The Year Of The Fox]

And that gets us what? Come August we start in the same league as them, only difference is we spent more money to stay in the division - based on less money = great manager, Clough is arguably better than our Nige

It got us within a penalty from Wembley mate c'mon play fair!

[seenitall]

It got us within a penalty from Wembley mate c'mon play fair!

It is irrelevant in the real football world - Mancini got Man City to runners up in league and cup - not good enough and he pays. The margins are fine but failure is failure and in football is payable by your job. But the point is not that we got to within a kick of Wembley (again) the point is we capitulated from Feb onwards and now find ourselves in a complete mess due to the failings of the management and owners to achieve any kind of success in four attempts. Poor.

[inckley fox]

Our fans were a credit to us in League One and probably helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

However, dollar signs and rich owners have turned a sizable and vocal minority of our fans into whiny spoilt kids who expect everything to go their way or they will spit their dummy. This is not helpful to performances on the pitch.

 

Regardless of who our manager is or who our owners are, success has to be earned and so far, other teams have done more to earn it than us.

 

While disappointed, I am well aware that these things take time and I will just have to be patient.

 

I'm afraid if you go back all the way to 2003 or 2004 on this forum you'll find plenty of people complaining that there's something wrong with our fans. It's certainly not a post-2009 phenomenon, and it happens at every club in the country.

 

Misguided? Possibly. Spoilt? No chance. Until 2004 we had spent nearly half of our history in the top flight and were one of only nine clubs never to play outside the top two levels. We've just endured our longest ever spell outside of the top flight, gone through our first ever season in the third tier, and had two separate owners who have repeatedly talked up and - in the case of the most recent - adequately funded a bid for promotion. In spite of this the closest we've come is two play-off semi finals.

 

Expectations are justifiably high. Delivery on those expectations has been sadly wanting. I'm not sure what your definition of spoilt is, precisely: If a guy tells his son that he's getting a BMW for his 18th, then the day comes and he presents him with a pogo stick - after having received a pogo stick for every other birthday for the past nine years - then I wouldn't call the kid spoilt were he to moan about it.

 

No, you're horrendously wrong. How our fans are supposed to have been ruined, spoilt rotten by the least successful period in our history I don't know. And it's not as if we were immaculately behaved before then is it (rioting against Newcastle in 92, spitting at Little before promotion in 94, calling for O'Neill's head in 96). If anything we've got better.

 

On a final note it's interesting that you focus on the 'vocal minority'. I tend to worry a lot more about the very silent majority when it comes to our home crowds. But I'm not going to blame a set of fans that adequately lines our club's pockets with some of the best attendances in the whole division, in spite of (in the context of the rest of our history) having had precious little in return for the past ten years.

[MC Prussian]

It is irrelevant in the real football world - Mancini got Man City to runners up in league and cup - not good enough and he pays. The margins are fine but failure is failure and in football is payable by your job. But the point is not that we got to within a kick of Wembley (again) the point is we capitulated from Feb onwards and now find ourselves in a complete mess due to the failings of the management and owners to achieve any kind of success in four attempts. Poor.

a) "Complete mess"

b) "failings to achieve any kind of success in four attempts."

 

You're just not the kind of guy to approach things with more substance, are you?

Our current owners have just completed their third year in charge. The "fourth" attempt you're referring to was under Mandaric's helm, his fourth (!) year in charge.

 

Judging by your use of vocabulary, an innocent bystander could come to the rash conclusion that we've either just been relegated, put under a transfer embargo by the league, had to pay the league a massive compensation for financial irregularities or that Nigel Pearson had a massive bust-up with just about everybody in his near vicinity.

 

But go on, try to convince some more folks with your in-depth analysis and objective conclusions.

[seenitall]

a) "Complete mess"

b) "failings to achieve any kind of success in four attempts."

 

You're just not the kind of guy to approach things with more substance, are you?

Our current owners have just completed their third year in charge. The "fourth" attempt you're referring to was under Mandaric's helm, his fourth (!) year in charge.

The complete mess is the FFP and the overpaid players that don't fit with a Div 2 team

 

Teams play for one of two things in this division - survival if they are a Yeovil, Peterborough Barnsley etc or promotion. One assumes that we expect more than survival so the barometer of success for us rests with promotion or not - the answer is not in four attempts = failure