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[l444ry]

Of course he did to some extent. However, in my opinion, nowhere near the level and certainly not as sustained as the Brian Little period.

[Guest Bilo]

No comparison Reynard. Brian Little restored pride to this club after the awful Pleat years.

 

And Pearson restored pride to the club after four of the worst years in the club's history.

[Babylon]

Of course he did to some extent. However, in my opinion, nowhere near the level and certainly not as sustained as the Brian Little period.

Not as sustained as he wasn't given the chance... If he had stayed, who knows.

[l444ry]

Not as sustained as he wasn't given the chance... If he had stayed, who knows.

 

Perhaps my memory is failing but I seem to remember virtually all the fans were behind Brian, helped by three play-off finals in succession. On the other hand, Nigel hasn't reached one play-off final yet and the fans are very divided about him. This is my point Babylon!  

[Kitchandro]

Perhaps my memory is failing but I seem to remember virtually all the fans were behind Brian, helped by three play-off finals in succession. On the other hand, Nigel hasn't reached one play-off final yet and the fans are very divided about him. This is my point Babylon!  

 

Surely that just proves how expectations are so much higher now?

 

Pearson earnt promotion in his first season and only finished 1 place below where little finished in his first season a year later, and a place higher than Little's second season. So after the first two seasons (at which point Pearson was unceremoniously let go) we had actually finished higher than Little's Leicester did after two seasons, and that was after taking over from a lower position.

 

So it makes you wonder why so many fans have been against him since the moment he came back.

[samfoxfan]

call me shallow but i dont care what brand of football we play as long as we can survive in the premiership for a few years like a tony pullis or a sam alladyce has done and will do

[MPH]

And Pearson didn't restore pride after relegation... something that never even happened during the Pleat shite.

 

 

You got to hand it to Pleat - he did a lot for the highfields economy... Something Pearson or Little have never done....

[indierich06]

Lost for words for once Rich?

Nope, just enjoying seeing other people make a fool out of you for a change, it's nice for me to have a day off every now and then.

[seenitall]

Nope, just enjoying seeing other people make a fool out of you for a change, it's nice for me to have a day off every now and then.

Posting  lots all day doesn't make you not a fool you know - just lots more drivel to read - keep it up, its hilarious

[seenitall]

Not as sustained as he wasn't given the chance... If he had stayed, who knows.

Your Pearson tinted glasses are now making you sound even more foolish than usual. Of course getting out of Div 3 was an achievement and I don't think anyone here ever has said it wasn't but talk about trading on your past. Little took over a team that stayed up thanks to a miracle v Oxford for crying out loud and took that team to Wembley. Not just made the play offs but GOT TO WEMBLEY = this is better. He did not have a huge budget. He didn't have a huge budget the next year either when he GOT US TO WEMBLEY again and he didn't have a huge budget when he GOT PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE AFTER GETTING TO WEMBLEY.

 

Now I know you have trouble seeing the things Nige does as anything but amazing but I have tried to help you as to what the difference between Brian Little's and Nigel Pearson's achievements in three years at the club were - go on, tell me Nige is better for us.

[indierich06]

Posting  lots all day doesn't make you not a fool you know - just lots more drivel to read - keep it up, its hilarious

 

Glad I'm keeping you entertained.

 

Resorting to personal insults to try and get a rise out of me as well, thought you were better than that. I think if FT posters had to pick which one the fool was out of me and you, you'd be a bit upset by the results.

[indierich06]

Agree that he did - he's kicked the arse out of it now though - this will be season 5 coming up since his only achievement

 

I'd say - and most other rational people would agree - that one promotion and two play off semi finals in 3 and a half seasons is a pretty decent achievement. But obviously we should sack him immediately for this heinous performance.

[Babylon]

Perhaps my memory is failing but I seem to remember virtually all the fans were behind Brian, helped by three play-off finals in succession. On the other hand, Nigel hasn't reached one play-off final yet and the fans are very divided about him. This is my point Babylon!  

 

Well we didn't have public message boards to give every prat a stage back then did we.

[tomtom]

Your Pearson tinted glasses are now making you sound even more foolish than usual. Of course getting out of Div 3 was an achievement and I don't think anyone here ever has said it wasn't but talk about trading on your past. Little took over a team that stayed up thanks to a miracle v Oxford for crying out loud and took that team to Wembley. Not just made the play offs but GOT TO WEMBLEY = this is better. He did not have a huge budget. He didn't have a huge budget the next year either when he GOT US TO WEMBLEY again and he didn't have a huge budget when he GOT PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE AFTER GETTING TO WEMBLEY.

Now I know you have trouble seeing the things Nige does as anything but amazing but I have tried to help you as to what the difference between Brian Little's and Nigel Pearson's achievements in three years at the club were - go on, tell me Nige is better for us.

Look I loved Brian Little so I'll never say a bad word about him in his time here, and yes he absolutely turned the club around and was in my own opinion the 2nd best manager we've had in my lifetime...but even though he did GET US TO WEMBLEY as you like to highlight we didn't win and didn't get promotion to the premier league till the 3rd attempt! Let's give NP the same opportunity and see how he does, He deserves another go as we are progressing as a club albeit not fast enough for some!

[Babylon]

Your Pearson tinted glasses are now making you sound even more foolish than usual. Of course getting out of Div 3 was an achievement and I don't think anyone here ever has said it wasn't but talk about trading on your past. Little took over a team that stayed up thanks to a miracle v Oxford for crying out loud and took that team to Wembley. Not just made the play offs but GOT TO WEMBLEY = this is better. He did not have a huge budget. He didn't have a huge budget the next year either when he GOT US TO WEMBLEY again and he didn't have a huge budget when he GOT PROMOTED TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE AFTER GETTING TO WEMBLEY.

 

Now I know you have trouble seeing the things Nige does as anything but amazing but I have tried to help you as to what the difference between Brian Little's and Nigel Pearson's achievements in three years at the club were - go on, tell me Nige is better for us.

Once again I question your ability to read and process information.

 

 

Your Pearson tinted glasses are now making you sound even more foolish than usual.

 

In what way shape or form is it rose tinted to say that Pearson also restored pride. We were in a worse position when he took over than when Little did?

 

 

Little took over a team that stayed up thanks to a miracle v Oxford for crying out loud and took that team to Wembley. Not just made the play offs but GOT TO WEMBLEY = this is better.

 

Pearson took a team that was worse than the one little inherited (they had been relegated) and took them to within one kick of Wembley. Had Pearson got to Wembley and lost you would be on here telling us he failed, so don't make out losing in a final to losing in a semi to be much different.

 

It also took him three attempts to get promoted and build his team, something Pearson has not yet had here no matter how you want to try and swing it.

 

 

He did not have a huge budget. He didn't have a huge budget the next year either when he GOT US TO WEMBLEY

Neither did Pearson. And he didn't have a budget the year after... as he wasn't here! I believe Little broke our transfer record when in charge several times over, so he was afforded more than others.

 

 

Now I know you have trouble seeing the things Nige does as anything but amazing but I have tried to help you as to what the difference between Brian Little's and Nigel Pearson's achievements in three years at the club were - go on, tell me Nige is better for us.

Once again, perhaps put on your reading glasses and find anything where I said his achievement were better than Little's. I quite clearly said they were not, and that Little had so far been the better manager for us.

 

Your constant tripe is getting very boring. If you want to keep making stuff up and twisting what people say you are on a one way train out of this place. I don't agree with many people on here, but at least they try to engage in half rational debate.

[indierich06]

Your constant tripe is getting very boring. If you want to keep making stuff up and twisting what people say you are on a one way train out of this place. I don't agree with many people on here, but at least they try to engage in half rational debate.

 

Never a truer word was said. Hard to engage in a rational debate with somebody who more or less ignores everything you say.

[seenitall]

By rational debate I assume you mean agreeing with you both..........

[Babylon]

By rational debate I assume you mean agreeing with you both..........

No by actually reading what people say, processing that information, and not coming back with.... blah blah blah, rose tinted, pearson love, blah blah blah, you think Pearson is god, blah blah blah. When all someone has said is that he also restored pride!!!!

[seenitall]

Sorry to hurt your feelings .....

[indierich06]

No by actually reading what people say, processing that information, and not coming back with.... blah blah blah, rose tinted, pearson love, blah blah blah, you think Pearson is god, blah blah blah. When all someone has said is that he also restored pride!!!!

 

 

Sorry to hurt your feelings .....

 

There he goes again, ignoring everything you've said and coming up with some inane reply. I don't know why you bother Babs, I'm done with this clown now. He's going on ignore. Having to read this drivel every day is making my brain hurt.

[ManorFox]

Look I loved Brian Little so I'll never say a bad word about him in his time here, and yes he absolutely turned the club around and was in my own opinion the 2nd best manager we've had in my lifetime...but even though he did GET US TO WEMBLEY as you like to highlight we didn't win and didn't get promotion to the premier league till the 3rd attempt! Let's give NP the same opportunity and see how he does, He deserves another go as we are progressing as a club albeit not fast enough for some!

But Brian Little had zero in the way of resources, our record signing was made by him, Mark Blake £360k.  He also took us to Wembley 3 years running, he never lost a play-off semi final game or tie.  Pearson has not shown he has what it takes to get us there.

 

When we did win at Wembley, it was with the poorest of the the 3 sides he took there, Derby were vastly better resourced than us, but Little had the nous to set us up to win, he was adaptable.  Unfortunately for Pearson he has never shown that capability, why is he all of a sudden going to show it now?

 

I am not sure what this progression is we have made either, next season will see us face 18 of the teams we faced this season, his failure to get us promoted means he is hamstrung now with a squad he put together, we are lumbered with players he signed who are not good enough and there will be very little to spend.  His ability in the transfer/loan market is highly questionable, so I am not sure how having a manager so tactically inept is seen as a positive?

[Babylon]

But Brian Little had zero in the way of resources, our record signing was made by him, Mark Blake £360k.

 

Zero resources but made a record signing?

 

By todays standards he had very little, but there were a fair few 200k/300k signings. Certainly more than quite a few teams at the time.

[Manwell Pablo]

No, you didn't do that, you have consistently supported the underachieving oaf to your credit. Of course it could be seen as failing in the play offs at the fourth attempt in as many years trying to get out of the division, but with your attendance all the games we play, you would know more about our league position than those who look at it in the paper.......

 

 

I don't even actively support him

 

I just think it's a little silly sacking managers for finishing 6th without at least giving them the chance to build and improve in a second season. I agree if he's a bag of shite get rid of him fairly early doors, it might hamper you watching every game on TV in France for another year but I think I speak for all of us when I say I really couldn't give a Fck.

[indierich06]

But Brian Little had zero in the way of resources, our record signing was made by him, Mark Blake £360k.  He also took us to Wembley 3 years running, he never lost a play-off semi final game or tie.  Pearson has not shown he has what it takes to get us there.

 

When we did win at Wembley, it was with the poorest of the the 3 sides he took there, Derby were vastly better resourced than us, but Little had the nous to set us up to win, he was adaptable.  Unfortunately for Pearson he has never shown that capability, why is he all of a sudden going to show it now?

 

I am not sure what this progression is we have made either, next season will see us face 18 of the teams we faced this season, his failure to get us promoted means he is hamstrung now with a squad he put together, we are lumbered with players he signed who are not good enough and there will be very little to spend.  His ability in the transfer/loan market is highly questionable, so I am not sure how having a manager so tactically inept is seen as a positive?

 

1. There's only been one season during his time at this club that Pearson hasn't gotten us promoted or in the playoffs, and that was when he turned up half way through. In one semi final, we more than deserved to go through and lost on penalties. In the other, we were one penalty kick away from a playoff final. So just how has Pearson never shown that he has the ability to take us there when he's almost done it two out of three times and has been denied by dodgy spot kicks? 

 

2. We have made progression, it's simple. Since he left, we haven't come close to troubling the playoffs, This season we were in contention for the whole time and finished in the playoffs. That is clear progression, regardless of what you think.

 

3. What players has he signed that aren't good enough? Matt James? Wes Morgan? Anthony Knockaert? Chris Wood? Ritchie De Laet? Ben Marshall? Even players like Drinkwater and Whitbread have shown that they have enough to offer to be decent squad members. I'll admit Futacs and Vardy were poor signings, but I would hardly say that their signings have 'hamstrung' us. If anything has hamstrung us, it's the reckless spending of our previous manager and the players that he's left us with.

 

4. How is his ability in the transfer market highly questionable? That's absolute nonsense. I can give you a list as long as my arm with players he's signed for Leicester who have been good signings. His hit to miss ratio is great, he signs far more quality players than he does rubbish ones.

 

5. Tactical ineptitude, another thing that I've heard on here since the end of the season by people who want to demonise our manager. Just how can a tactically inept manager have a team competing for promoton all season? At the end of January we were looking a good shout for automatic promotion. Every team goes through bad runs and every manager has spells where he can't win a game for toffee. It doesn't make them tactically inept. Tinkering with your tactics every single game is not how you win leagues, you win leagues by playing consistently well - you ask Cardiff fans how many times Malky changed formation or style, they'll tell you he hardly ever did. Consistency has been our problem this season, not the tactics we've employed. On our day, we're more than a match for anyone in this league - if we're going to criticise Pearson, we should be asking why he can't get consistent performances out of the players, it's nothing to do with tactics.

[bald reynard]

I don't even actively support him

 

I just think it's a little silly sacking managers for finishing 6th without at least giving them the chance to build and improve in a second season. I agree if he's a bag of shite get rid of him fairly early doors, it might hamper you watching every game on TV in France for another year but I think I speak for all of us when I say I really couldn't give a Fck.

The thing is, it won't be a, "second season", it will be a third (or is that fourth ?) !  I know people say that Pearson came back in the middle of the 2011/12 season and that Sven had already determined the nature of the squad for that season; but, it wasn't shaped in concrete - and Pearson had good opportunity (which he took) to change a significant part of the squad in the January (2012) Transfer Window.  We were in 12th place when Nige took over.  With his January dealings and his 'all-round good man management' (?!!), he managed to move us up in two-thirds of a season to 9th - a whole 3 places !  Now, with a full season under his belt, he's managed to move us up another 3 places.

 

I know there'll be many on here, whose maths will say that, "3 places up in two-thirds of a season and 3 places in a full season = a potential automatic slot for 2013/14 (or certainly another play-off)" - but is that really good enough logic ?  A gain of 6 places in two and two-thirds seasons in the Championship doesn't sound like the basis for a potential Premiership manager to me, even if he does struggle to get us up on the 4th attempt (counting the 2009/10 season - when of course, after a another full season, he only managed to get us to 5th) !