Woolwich

[MooseBreath]

I'm not angry at you, I'm just not going let you spout your hate filled crap on here unchallenged.

It's not hate filled. I don't hate Muslims. I was born and raised in Leicester, all the cliches about some of my best friends being Muslim are actually true. My best friend growing up was a guy called Khaleed. At the age if about 13 I really fancied his sister Adena. She liked me too, and we started holding hands at lunch time on the grass under the trees, making out shapes in the clouds and such. But it was ever so secretive. If another Muslim came near us, she would quickly pull her hand away and just stare at the ground until they had gone, and then it would be back to normal. One night I invited her to have dinner at my house and my family welcomed her with open arms. A great time was had by all. She sat with us and ate a roast chicken dinner and everyone was having a great laugh, until Khaleed knocked at the door and told Adena she must go home. Her happy smile was immediately replaced by fear as she hurriedly got her coat and shoes and left, looking back as she got to the top of the drive, with a sad smile and a wave.

Never saw her again after that. Her parents were disgusted with her for hanging out with a white guy and sent her off to live with a relative in Birmingham. It was then that I first knew there was something a bit 'off' about Islam. Of course that could have happened with a few different religions or races or maybe her parents just thought I was a cvnt. I don't know, but Khaleed informed me that she had an arranged marriage at 16 and was pregnant a year later. Khaleed wasn't allowed to speak to me either. Our friendship was lost.

I don't hate Muslims at all. I do, however, have some serious problems with their religion, and hope that in the future, we will have had the balls to banish it from at least our country, if not the world.

[yorkie1999]

So you're saying I set foot on the moon?

if you're part of the human race, then yes.

[Guest]

if you're part of the human race, then yes.

Fantastic! I've been looking for something to jazz up my CV

[Guesty]

when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon who did he represent. Himself, America or the whole human race. And that's one man.

Not sure what point you're trying to make in relation to quote you quoted; it could easily be turned around. When Hitler ordered the holocaust or Anders Breivik killed a load of kids (and millions of others in Hitler's case) did they represent themselves, their country, Christianity or the whole human race?    

 

I'm not trying to be flippant, I'm just not sure what you meant. If I, and I imagine a few other people have not understood you could do with explaining it a bit more.,

[yorkie1999]

Fantastic! I've been looking for something to jazz up my CV

what, being part of the human race.

[Guest]

what, being part of the human race.

So long as you don't add understanding the English language to yours then we're all okay.

[john doe]

We don't get a choice in it, I don't want Muslims living here, I don't not want Muslims living here, if I could choose I would choose honest decent people regardless of colour or religion. I would rather have a decent Muslim than a Christian or atheist cvnt.

People are born here, or are permitted to live here, and they have a free choice of what religion they choose to follow, along with numerous other freedoms and privileges and I feel fortunate to be born in a country with such freedoms as not all do.

you twat.read what you write 

[leicsmac]

Now we're approaching a topic that could merit a whole new thread on its own.

 

Individual Acts and Representation of Different Demographics through those Acts.

 

Whole new talking point, people. 

you twat.read what you write 

 

Perhaps an elaboration of what was so wrong about those two paragraphs is in order?

[john doe]

Now we're approaching a topic that could merit a whole new thread on its own.

 

Individual Acts and Representation of Different Demographics through those Acts.

 

Whole new talking point, people. 

 

Perhaps an elaboration of what was so wrong about those two paragraphs is in order?

try atheist cvnt to start. are we free not to belive

[Captain...]

It's not hate filled. I don't hate Muslims. I was born and raised in Leicester, all the cliches about some of my best friends being Muslim are actually true. My best friend growing up was a guy called Khaleed. At the age if about 13 I really fancied his sister Adena. She liked me too, and we started holding hands at lunch time on the grass under the trees, making out shapes in the clouds and such. But it was ever so secretive. If another Muslim came near us, she would quickly pull her hand away and just stare at the ground until they had gone, and then it would be back to normal. One night I invited her to have dinner at my house and my family welcomed her with open arms. A great time was had by all. She sat with us and ate a roast chicken dinner and everyone was having a great laugh, until Khaleed knocked at the door and told Adena she must go home. Her happy smile was immediately replaced by fear as she hurriedly got her coat and shoes and left, looking back as she got to the top of the drive, with a sad smile and a wave.

Never saw her again after that. Her parents were disgusted with her for hanging out with a white guy and sent her off to live with a relative in Birmingham. It was then that I first knew there was something a bit 'off' about Islam. Of course that could have happened with a few different religions or races or maybe her parents just thought I was a cvnt. I don't know, but Khaleed informed me that she had an arranged marriage at 16 and was pregnant a year later. Khaleed wasn't allowed to speak to me either. Our friendship was lost.

I don't hate Muslims at all. I do, however, have some serious problems with their religion, and hope that in the future, we will have had the balls to banish it from at least our country, if not the world.

But that is a completely irrelevant compared to Islamic extremism, people are free to follow and believe whatever they want, and worship however they want, even if you disagree. Overprotective parenting is not exclusive to Muslims or even religious parents, every parent makes the decisions they see as best for their children and it is not for us to judge them as long as they are within the law of the land.

This thread is about Islamic extremism, not Muslim paedophile rings, nor cultural differences between different religious groups.

As I said in a previous post we live in a country with a lot of freedoms and we are very fortunate to do so, we cannot let the acts of extremists reduce those freedoms.

[leicsmac]

try atheist cvnt to start. are we free not to belive

 

Ah right. Pardon, but I think you got the wrong end of the stick.

 

I think that Shrap meant that he'd rather have a reasonable person of any demographic (even if they're Muslim) than an intolerant person of any demographic (even if they're Christian or Atheist) living in this country.

 

I'm pretty sure he didn't want to call atheists cvnts.

[yorkie1999]

So long as you don't add understanding the English language to yours then we're all okay.

no comprende

[Captain...]

if you're part of the human race, then yes.

Did I also send soldiers to die in an unjust war as Tony Blair did? Seeing as he did so on behalf of the UK.

[Captain...]

try atheist cvnt to start. are we free not to belive

We are free to believe or not believe as we choose, you are free to call me a twat if you want, as I am free to ask you to explain which bit of saying how great it is to live in a free country made me a twat.

[leicsmac]

But that is a completely irrelevant compared to Islamic extremism, people are free to follow and believe whatever they want, and worship however they want, even if you disagree. Overprotective parenting is not exclusive to Muslims or even religious parents, every parent makes the decisions they see as best for their children and it is not for us to judge them as long as they are within the law of the land.

This thread is about Islamic extremism, not Muslim paedophile rings, nor cultural differences between different religious groups.

As I said in a previous post we live in a country with a lot of freedoms and we are very fortunate to do so, we cannot let the acts of extremists reduce those freedoms.

 

I think that anecdote shows more than overprotective parenting though, Shrap. I do think there was an amount of intolerance there that showed in the way the family reacted. I would certainly feel jarred if I were in that situation.

 

That said, again it must be said that that one family doesn't speak for Islam as a whole.

[yorkie1999]

Did I also send soldiers to die in an unjust war as Tony Blair did? Seeing as he did so on behalf of the UK.

did you vote for him?

[john doe]

Ah right. Pardon, but I think you got the wrong end of the stick.

 

I think that Shrap meant that he'd rather have a reasonable person of any demographic (even if they're Muslim) than an intolerant person of any demographic (even if they're Christian or Atheist) living in this country.

 

I'm pretty sure he didn't want to call atheists cvnts.

i don,t belive you

[Captain...]

Ah right. Pardon, but I think you got the wrong end of the stick.

I think that Shrap meant that he'd rather have a reasonable person of any demographic (even if they're Muslim) than an intolerant person of any demographic (even if they're Christian or Atheist) living in this country.

I'm pretty sure he didn't want to call atheists cvnts.

Correct, but some atheists are cvnts.

[Captain...]

I think that anecdote shows more than overprotective parenting though, Shrap. I do think there was an amount of intolerance there that showed in the way the family reacted. I would certainly feel jarred if I were in that situation.

That said, again it must be said that that one family doesn't speak for Islam as a whole.

But it is not extremism, it is just religious intolerance which exists on all levels between all religions, between catholics and protestants, Muslims and Sikhs, Muslims and Jews, Hindus and Sikhs, Jews and Christians.

It is not illegal to have strong religious beliefs, and you are free to follow those beliefs as strictly as you like, within the law of the land.

[leicsmac]

Correct, but some atheists are cvnts.

 

Yup. Being a cvnt is demographic-neutral. 

[Captain...]

did you vote for him?

Nope, I voted for Buzz Aldrin.

[yorkie1999]

Nope, I voted for Buzz Aldrin.

so did i

[leicsmac]

But it is not extremism, it is just religious intolerance which exists on all levels between all religions, between catholics and protestants, Muslims and Sikhs, Muslims and Jews, Hindus and Sikhs, Jews and Christians.

It is not illegal to have strong religious beliefs, and you are free to follow those beliefs as strictly as you like, within the law of the land.

 

Oh yeah, it's not extremism, of course. But that kind of mistrust and intolerance of another group isn't something that should be encouraged.

 

That's actually the main beef I have with nearly all organised religions - the idea that can be purported by some that their Word is exclusive, and everyone else who follows a different religion (or sometimes no religion at all) is wrong.

[Kitchandro]

It's not hate filled. I don't hate Muslims. I was born and raised in Leicester, all the cliches about some of my best friends being Muslim are actually true. My best friend growing up was a guy called Khaleed. At the age if about 13 I really fancied his sister Adena. She liked me too, and we started holding hands at lunch time on the grass under the trees, making out shapes in the clouds and such. But it was ever so secretive. If another Muslim came near us, she would quickly pull her hand away and just stare at the ground until they had gone, and then it would be back to normal. One night I invited her to have dinner at my house and my family welcomed her with open arms. A great time was had by all. She sat with us and ate a roast chicken dinner and everyone was having a great laugh, until Khaleed knocked at the door and told Adena she must go home. Her happy smile was immediately replaced by fear as she hurriedly got her coat and shoes and left, looking back as she got to the top of the drive, with a sad smile and a wave.

Never saw her again after that. Her parents were disgusted with her for hanging out with a white guy and sent her off to live with a relative in Birmingham. It was then that I first knew there was something a bit 'off' about Islam. Of course that could have happened with a few different religions or races or maybe her parents just thought I was a cvnt. I don't know, but Khaleed informed me that she had an arranged marriage at 16 and was pregnant a year later. Khaleed wasn't allowed to speak to me either. Our friendship was lost.

I don't hate Muslims at all. I do, however, have some serious problems with their religion, and hope that in the future, we will have had the balls to banish it from at least our country, if not the world.

 

You see I think you have every right and reason to criticise Islam on such grounds. Major religions are based on fear, judgement and a superiority complex (hardly the 'love to all men' attitude all their taglines suggest), and Islam appears the most severe when it comes to those things.

 

However, banishing them all from a country? No, that doesn't sit right with me. This country is full of people who I don't like and who have values and beliefs I don't agree with. Who behave in a way I don't agree with. You can't just banish people for being arseholes.

[Captain...]

Oh yeah, it's not extremism, of course. But that kind of mistrust and intolerance of another group isn't something that should be encouraged.

That's actually the main beef I have with nearly all organised religions - the idea that can be purported by some that their Word is exclusive, and everyone else who follows a different religion (or sometimes no religion at all) is wrong.

Not going to disagree with you there, I have said on the numerous threads that all organise religions are stupid, and Islam is probably the stupidest (can't draw a picture of your prophet for fvcks sake, I drew a picture of him on draw Mohamed day, nothing bad happened).

But this thread is not about the stupidity of religion as a whole it is about the reaction to a horrendous event committed by Islamic extremists, whose aim is to destabilise our way of life, and threaten the freedoms which we are so fortunate to have.