Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 April 2013 - Muslim jailed for plot to murder British soldiers at Wooten basset April 2013 - three Muslims jailed for plotting mass murder by bombing British citizens in Birmingham April 2013 - six Muslims plead guilty to plotting to commit mass murder of British citizens by bombing an edl rally in Yorkshire May 2013 - seven Muslims in court for drugging and gang raping British children in oxford May 2013 - two Muslims arrested for sawing off the head of a British soldier on a London street What the hell will next month bring I wonder. But it's fine everyone. Nothing to see here. Let's just sweep it under the carpet. Wouldn't want to upset anyone now would we. Nobody is sweeping anything under the carpet you braindead clown, it is just most of us are able to have a sensible discussion about it without calling all Muslims psychos or paedos or terrorists and playing the hard man. We are also able to see the dangers in taking that approach and an 'eye for an eye' revenge mentality because that path only leads to more violence.
theessexfox Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Go on then. Go ahead and look for examples in the last two months where members of a specific religion have consistently targeted British citizens, or infact any specific demographic, with plots of mass murder, bombings, brutal killings, drugging and rape. I'd find it hard, as the media don't sensationalise such stories, as they aren't regarding Muslims. Anyway, please explain how the existence of extreme "Muslims" (using inverted commas as I'm fairly sure any God would not want such heinous crimes committed in his/her name) means that thousands of nice, normal Muslims should get chucked out of this country.
RobHawk Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 April 2013 - Muslim jailed for plot to murder British soldiers at Wooten basset April 2013 - three Muslims jailed for plotting mass murder by bombing British citizens in Birmingham April 2013 - six Muslims plead guilty to plotting to commit mass murder of British citizens by bombing an edl rally in Yorkshire May 2013 - seven Muslims in court for drugging and gang raping British children in oxford May 2013 - two Muslims arrested for sawing off the head of a British soldier on a London street What the hell will next month bring I wonder. But it's fine everyone. Nothing to see here. Let's just sweep it under the carpet. Wouldn't want to upset anyone now would we. We get your point, and if you were capable of reading and understanding you may realise that to some degree most people agree with you. The big problem is you generalise and go too far. I personally agree that A. Raping children is bad and there is a problem with SOME Muslim men and this is abhorrent and should be stopped. But this issue isn't isolated to Muslim men. It's also not an issue with every single Muslim man. Therefore its a more specific issue which needs to be tackled! B. Muslim EXTREMISTS, have little place in this country and the uk government needs to work closely with the average Muslim population to ensure this is tackled. C. Attacks on innocent people such as this are tragic, and the circumstances of this particular attack are shocking. What you really seem to be missing is that 99% of Muslims in the uk are good people and contribute massively to this country! That's not to say there aren't issues that need tackling, much like we have issues within the white British population that also need tackling. Philpott wasn't Muslim nor are many murderers and rapists in this country. So stop generalising and think before you type!
yorkie1999 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 here's a thought. I'm sitting here with my son watching Spiderman whilst reading this discussion and I asked him is there any racism at your school. He said not really. So I says what do you mean by that. He says only the Muslims. I says why. He says they act all hard so you give them the stare and they walk off. Straight up. What do you say to a 13 year old?
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 here's a thought. I'm sitting here with my son watching Spiderman whilst reading this discussion and I asked him is there any racism at your school. He said not really. So I says what do you mean by that. He says only the Muslims. I says why. He says they act all hard so you give them the stare and they walk off. Straight up. What do you say to a 13 year old? You tell him respect all individuals until they give you a reason not to, and not to judge other by the labels we place on them, but by what they do as individuals. If the Muslims at his school act like dicks, then they are probably dicks, but that is because they are dicks not because they are Muslims. Ask him to watch them closely though if they are spending too much time around the white girls they might be a paedophile ring and he should contact moosebreath immediately.
yorkie1999 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 You tell him respect all individuals until they give you a reason not to, and not to judge other by the labels we place on them, but by what they do as individuals. If the Muslims at his school act like dicks, then they are probably dicks, but that is because they are dicks not because they are Muslims. Ask him to watch them closely though if they are spending too much time around the white girls they might be a paedophile ring and he should contact moosebreath immediately. I can't he's gone bed, but you can see where it starts. But one thing I have noticed.. Emma stone is one serious babe.
MooseBreath Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Yeah lads, you're right, plots to commit mass murder cropping up on a weekly basis, numerous instances of gang raping kids in towns all over the UK. All Muslim. But it's just the extremists right, just the minority, and so that's absolutely fine. Doesn't matter if British citizens are regularly being blown up, beheaded and their kids being raped, because most Muslims don't do that kind of thing, it simply isn't an issue.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Yeah lads, you're right, plots to commit mass murder cropping up on a weekly basis, numerous instances of gang raping kids in towns all over the UK. All Muslim. But it's just the extremists right, just the minority, and so that's absolutely fine. Doesn't matter if British citizens are regularly being blown up, beheaded and their kids being raped, because most Muslims don't do that kind of thing, it simply isn't an issue.You have a strange definition of regularly, regularly being blown up, being one incident in the last decade (as opposed to numerous attacks by the IRA during the 80s), regularly being beheaded being one incident ever on our soil.With this kind of rhetoric is it any wonder you think a handful of cases, involving 19 Muslims (your figures), constitutes all British Muslims (which I think the figures placed at over 2 million) which lets take that figure up to 100 Muslims involved in reported cases of extremism and paedophilia and lets multiply it by 10 to represent the police hit rate and just over exaggerate the figures a bit, so we'll say 1000 Muslims, that is less than 0.1% of all British Muslims, that is why most people consider it to be only a minority.
MooseBreath Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Nobody is sweeping anything under the carpet you braindead clown, it is just most of us are able to have a sensible discussion about it without calling all Muslims psychos or paedos or terrorists and playing the hard man. We are also able to see the dangers in taking that approach and an 'eye for an eye' revenge mentality because that path only leads to more violence. Incredible. Look how angry you are. You're far more angry at me for pointinf out a few of the major crimes Muslims have been involved in over the last few weeks than you ever have been at the Muslims committing the crimes. You find the mere suggestion of something anti-islamic to be far more offensive than cold blooded murder. Incredible. Honestly, absolutely incredible.
BlueSi13 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 April 2013 - Muslim jailed for plot to murder British soldiers at Wooten basset April 2013 - three Muslims jailed for plotting mass murder by bombing British citizens in Birmingham April 2013 - six Muslims plead guilty to plotting to commit mass murder of British citizens by bombing an edl rally in Yorkshire May 2013 - seven Muslims in court for drugging and gang raping British children in oxford May 2013 - two Muslims arrested for sawing off the head of a British soldier on a London street What the hell will next month bring I wonder. But it's fine everyone. Nothing to see here. Let's just sweep it under the carpet. Wouldn't want to upset anyone now would we. I have also noticed a large spike in the number of foiled islamist plots. Can you possibly imagine what would have happened to this country if all of those had been successful? Terrifying thought. Something is seriously wrong, and I fear the time for a concrete solution is long gone. There are now simply far too many individuals in this country (sure a minority, but a great number) that loath us and wish to do serious harm to us and our way of life. How do you solve a problem like that without making it ten times worse?
MooseBreath Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 You have a strange definition of regularly, regularly being blown up, being one incident in the last decade (as opposed to numerous attacks by the IRA during the 80s), regularly being beheaded being one incident ever on our soil. With this kind of rhetoric is it any wonder you think a handful of cases, involving lets say less than 100 Muslims, constitutes all British Muslims (which I think the figures placed at over 2 million) which lets take that figure up to 100 Muslims involved in the cases involved and lets times it by 10 just over exaggerate the figures a bit, so 1000 Muslims, that is less 0.1% of all British Muslims, that is why most people consider it to be only a minority. Muslims have gone to jail for those crimes. Just because we were lucky enough to have police services capable of stopping them, doesn't mean we shouldnt fully appreciate the seriousness of the crimes those Muslims planned to commit. Those dates are all correct. Muslims being involved in major crimes has been an almost weekly occurance.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Incredible. Look how angry you are. You're far more angry at me for pointinf out a few of the major crimes Muslims have been involved in over the last few weeks than you ever have been at the Muslims committing the crimes. You find the mere suggestion of something anti-islamic to be far more offensive than cold blooded murder. Incredible. Honestly, absolutely incredible. I'm not angry at you, I'm just not going let you spout your hate filled crap on here unchallenged. If you read this thread again you will see plenty of anger from me over what happened at those that did the deeds, and those that sowed the seeds for it to happen. But I have no anger towards innocent people who happen to follow the same religion as the 2 killers.
yorkie1999 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 I'm not angry at you, I'm just not going let you spout your hate filled crap on here unchallenged. If you read this thread again you will see plenty of anger from me over what happened at those that did the deeds, and those that sowed the seeds for it to happen. But I have no anger towards innocent people who happen to follow the same religion as the 2 killers. but that's the whole issue. They decided to use the Muslim religion to justify their actions.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Muslims have gone to jail for those crimes. Just because we were lucky enough to have police services capable of stopping them, doesn't mean we shouldnt fully appreciate the seriousness of the crimes those Muslims planned to commit. Those dates are all correct. Muslims being involved in major crimes has been an almost weekly occurance. Nobody is denying that, but that is 17 Muslims you have listed, out of over 2 million. That is a minority.
DennisNedry Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEnMqmk6KmQ I'd been looking for the uncut video for sometime. You can see why it's been edited for media broadcast, as the murderer makes a lot of Islamic references that could stir up hatred. 'Leave our lands so we can live in peace' How about YOU leave OUR country you stupid cvnt? Take your backward beliefs back to where they belong: the huge pile of shit that is the middle east.
leicsmac Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 I have also noticed a large spike in the number of foiled islamist plots. Can you possibly imagine what would have happened to this country if all of those had been successful? Terrifying thought. Something is seriously wrong, and I fear the time for a concrete solution is long gone. There are now simply far too many individuals in this country (sure a minority, but a great number) that loath us and wish to do serious harm to us and our way of life. How do you solve a problem like that without making it ten times worse? Then what do we do? Panic? No, we continue to find the individuals or groups, and neutralise them. Which is happening now. (Though for exactly how successful it is you'd have to have access to some pretty sensitive data.) Get the majority of Muslims to speak up against the lunatic fringe, and say unequivocally this does not happen in their name. More incidents? Well, get the police and security services recruiting more to deal with each of them - might ease the unemployment figures amongst our skilled young population, too. And work more to nip these things in the bud before they really get going, often using the local population to do so. Muslims bringing in other Muslims for being extremists? That would be a massive PR coup. And what we shouldn't do is demonise an entire religious group living here and draw a line in the sand between us and them. As I keep repeating - if we do that, the extremists win. They get exactly what they want - fear, paranoia and the chance to act our their racism through brutal acts on our streets.
leicsmac Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 but that's the whole issue. They decided to use the Muslim religion to justify their actions. So because of that, because of the words of two sociopaths, an entire demographic is to be targetted? Not only is that entirely irrational, but it plays directly into their hands.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 but that's the whole issue. They decided to use the Muslim religion to justify their actions. And the Muslim councils of the UK have come out to condemn it and disassociate themselves from these actions and say it is not in their name these atrocities were committed.
acooling08 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 leicsmac, my question is this:Why do we want Muslims living here at all? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested as to your reasons, because I can't see many upsides at all. I'm not talking about immigrants here, just specifically muslims.
yorkie1999 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 Then what do we do? Panic? No, we continue to find the individuals or groups, and neutralise them. Which is happening now. (Though for exactly how successful it is you'd have to have access to some pretty sensitive data.) Get the majority of Muslims to speak up against the lunatic fringe, and say unequivocally this does not happen in their name. More incidents? Well, get the police and security services recruiting more to deal with each of them - might ease the unemployment figures amongst our skilled young population, too. And work more to nip these things in the bud before they really get going, often using the local population to do so. Muslims bringing in other Muslims for being extremists? That would be a massive PR coup. And what we shouldn't do is demonise an entire religious group living here and draw a line in the sand between us and them. As I keep repeating - if we do that, the extremists win. They get exactly what they want - fear, paranoia and the chance to act our their racism through brutal acts on our streets. agree. Muslims in this country need to denounce violence and extremist terrorism and not give these lunatics any sort of political or religious motivation.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 leicsmac, my question is this: Why do we want Muslims living here at all? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested as to your reasons, because I can't see many upsides at all. I'm not talking about immigrants here, just specifically muslims. We don't get a choice in it, I don't want Muslims living here, I don't not want Muslims living here, if I could choose I would choose honest decent people regardless of colour or religion. I would rather have a decent Muslim than a Christian or atheist cvnt. People are born here, or are permitted to live here, and they have a free choice of what religion they choose to follow, along with numerous other freedoms and privileges and I feel fortunate to be born in a country with such freedoms as not all do.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 agree. Muslims in this country need to denounce violence and extremist terrorism and not give these lunatics any sort of political or religious motivation.They havethis guy has it spot on. Damn it, not working on my phone, click the little arrow on anotherharboroughFox's post.
leicsmac Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 leicsmac, my question is this: Why do we want Muslims living here at all? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested as to your reasons, because I can't see many upsides at all. I'm not talking about immigrants here, just specifically muslims. Because the vast majority of them work hard, obey the law and pay their taxes just like any other demographic. And I think punishing them by forcing them out would not only be incredibly unfair, but would sat a very dangerous precedent. If it was done to them, who would be next? Which ethnicities would be allowed to stay? How far back would your 'British' blood have to go? The freedom of choice in so many matters in this country is what makes it great. Of course you could make the argument that we should never have allowed them in in the first place, but then when the first Muslim immigrants arrived here the UK and it's allies were actually making friendly with who we would call now "Islamic extremists" in Afghanistan and Iran. Back then Communism was the big bogeyman for everyone to be scared of. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. However I will agree that the extreme element of Muslims is a real cause for concern right now, and as I mentioned above a key part of fighting that is the vast majority of law-abiding Muslims living in this country standing up and denouncing it.
yorkie1999 Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 So because of that, because of the words of two sociopaths, an entire demographic is to be targetted? Not only is that entirely irrational, but it plays directly into their hands. when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon who did he represent. Himself, America or the whole human race. And that's one man.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2013 Posted 24 May 2013 when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon who did he represent. Himself, America or the whole human race. And that's one man. So you're saying I set foot on the moon?
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