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[Harry - LCFC]

Reminds me of this ...

 

 

I consider myself to be a fairly tolerant individual but there are many points he makes that I simply must agree with.

 

There are parts of Islam that are just wrong and I can only respect Muslims who can accept that. Thankfully I think Islam in Britain has evolved and women are given higher status in society - choice over what they wear, more of them going into work and just greater freedom in general.

[Captain...]

Probably because their religious beliefs are what is driving the crimes, and that is not the case for other religions. Suicide bombers don't just happen to be Muslim, they are suicide bombers because they are Muslim. The religion is where the evil lies. People aren't angry at Muslims as much as they are angry at Islam. Get rid of the religion, get rid of the problem.

I'm not talking about suicide bombers and terrorist acts, they are clearly related to extremist Muslims. I'm talking about every other crime committed by Muslims.

[MooseBreath]

I'm not talking about suicide bombers and terrorist acts, they are clearly related to extremist Muslims. I'm talking about every other crime committed by Muslims.

 

Like what?

[Rincewind]

I heard that a bank robbery was committed by a transvestite so every transvestite must be a bank robber.

[Captain...]

Like what?

One example being paedophile rings, which has more to do with them being sick paedophiles and not because they are Muslims, but I know your response to this already.

Another example is the drunk Somali girls in Leicester who attacked someone in the street, plenty of people brought the fact they were Muslim into it, when clearly they weren't very good ones as they were drunk.

There are more examples, for example benefit claimants, who aren't even breaking the law, but if they are Muslim it can't go unsaid in the press.

[Father Ted]

Another example is the drunk Somali girls in Leicester who attacked someone in the street, plenty of people brought the fact they were Muslim into it, when clearly they weren't very good ones as they were drunk.

Yes, they themselves brought that fact into it, claiming that it was the first time they had tried alcohol as they were Muslims, hence wouldn't know how they would respond to the alcohol. They were let off and also lied, as iirc members of this forum knew them and said that they were getting bladdered way before that.

[Zingari]

I heard that a bank robbery was committed by a transvestite so every transvestite must be a bank robber.

Most of them do wear  ladies' stockings on their heads , so they must be a bit that way.

[DennisNedry]

I heard that a bank robbery was committed by a transvestite so every transvestite must be a bank robber.

 

I love your deliberately sarcastic and facetious posts.

[anotherharboroughfox]

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but seriously Moose you really are blinkered by the media if you think the only terrorists are muslims, every religion has extremists. And since you don't seem to able to grasp that I give up.

[The Year Of The Fox]

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but seriously Moose you really are blinkered by the media if you think the only terrorists are muslims, every religion has extremists. And since you don't seem to able to grasp that I give up.

It's only Muslim extremists who are threatening our existence at this time though isn't it?

 

The IRA pretty much no longer exist and I've never heard of many (any perhaps) other terrorist organisations (that affect us)that exist that have nothing to do with Islam

[inckley fox]

I consider myself to be a fairly tolerant individual but there are many points he makes that I simply must agree with.

 

There are parts of Islam that are just wrong and I can only respect Muslims who can accept that. Thankfully I think Islam in Britain has evolved and women are given higher status in society - choice over what they wear, more of them going into work and just greater freedom in general.

 

It's disappointing to see a 'fairly tolerant individual' agreeing with a UKIP activist who devotes his life to calling liberals 'apologists for evil' and saying that he wants all forms of religion 'out of his life'. This man literally can't go five seconds without using the word 'offended', describes Islam as 'cruel', 'intolerant', 'pushy' and 'threatening' and supports Geert Wilders, a right wing politician accused of incitement to racial hatred in Britain, and who likened the Quran to Mein Kampf. He also, incidentally, described Christians as his 'allies' (despite the fact that Condell hates religion... which makes him a hypocrite as well as a bigot).

 

I do not support Islam because I do not support organised religion in general. But those who suggest that Islam is in some way worse than other religions because people commit crimes in the name of Islam, but not other religions, would do well to look upon the Crusades, Irgun, Lehi, the Carlists in Spain, the Troubles in Ireland, Punjab insurgency and so on. Conflict tends to come with the territory.

[anotherharboroughfox]

It's only Muslim extremists who are threatening our existence at this time though isn't it?

 

The IRA pretty much no longer exist and I've never heard of many (any perhaps) other terrorist organisations (that affect us)that exist that have nothing to do with Islam

 

not us directly in this country but if you look at Burma you have Buddhists destroying mosques and attacking muslims, and supposedly recently a two-child limit imposed on muslims.

 

*awaits Mosse to say this is what we should be doing*

[anotherharboroughfox]

It's disappointing to see a 'fairly tolerant individual' agreeing with a UKIP activist who devotes his life to calling liberals 'apologists for evil' and saying that he wants all forms of religion 'out of his life'. This man literally can't go five seconds without using the word 'offended', describes Islam as 'cruel', 'intolerant', 'pushy' and 'threatening' and supports Geert Wilders, a right wing politician accused of incitement to racial hatred in Britain, and who likened the Quran to Mein Kampf. He also, incidentally, described Christians as his 'allies' (despite the fact that Condell hates religion... which makes him a hypocrite as well as a bigot).

 

I do not support Islam because I do not support organised religion in general. But those who suggest that Islam is in some way worse than other religions because people commit crimes in the name of Islam, but not other religions, would do well to look upon the Crusades, Irgun, Lehi, the Carlists in Spain, the Troubles in Ireland, Punjab insurgency and so on. Conflict tends to come with the territory.

exactly, if you're going to listen to anyone on religion, Richard Dawkins is the guy, as much of a **** as he is...

[inckley fox]

It's only Muslim extremists who are threatening our existence at this time though isn't it?

 

The IRA pretty much no longer exist and I've never heard of many (any perhaps) other terrorist organisations (that affect us)that exist that have nothing to do with Islam

 I can assure you that even since 1998 more people have died through Protestant / Catholic Sectarian violence in the UK than through Islamic fundamentalism.

[Harry - LCFC]

It's disappointing to see a 'fairly tolerant individual' agreeing with a UKIP activist who devotes his life to calling liberals 'apologists for evil' and saying that he wants all forms of religion 'out of his life'. This man literally can't go five seconds without using the word 'offended', describes Islam as 'cruel', 'intolerant', 'pushy' and 'threatening' and supports Geert Wilders, a right wing politician accused of incitement to racial hatred in Britain, and who likened the Quran to Mein Kampf. He also, incidentally, described Christians as his 'allies' (despite the fact that Condell hates religion... which makes him a hypocrite as well as a bigot).

 

I do not support Islam because I do not support organised religion in general. But those who suggest that Islam is in some way worse than other religions because people commit crimes in the name of Islam, but not other religions, would do well to look upon the Crusades, Irgun, Lehi, the Carlists in Spain, the Troubles in Ireland, Punjab insurgency and so on. Conflict tends to come with the territory.

 

There's been a misunderstanding. I said that I agree with part of what he said not all of it.

 

One point I'd use - Preaching death to homosexuals by certain religious leaders, if true this is something I couldn't possibly allow because it's intolerant and therefore against what I believe in. I'm sure we agree on that particular point

 

I also know we agree on a number of other points - some of which I have highlighted in bold - be assured I do not support any of those aspects of this man's beliefs and after watching a few of his videos I realise I am mostly against him.

 

I hope this has cleared things up.

[MooseBreath]

One example being paedophile rings, which has more to do with them being sick paedophiles and not because they are Muslims, but I know your response to this already.

Another example is the drunk Somali girls in Leicester who attacked someone in the street, plenty of people brought the fact they were Muslim into it, when clearly they weren't very good ones as they were drunk.

There are more examples, for example benefit claimants, who aren't even breaking the law, but if they are Muslim it can't go unsaid in the press.

 

What those "Asian paedophile gangs" where the media has bent over backwards not to describe them as muslim even though there are strong arguments to suggest that it is a muslim issue?

 

Don't know anything about the drunk Somali girls.

 

I can't remember ever seeing the press attacking muslims specifically for claiming benefits. Mostly the press attack the idea that foreigners can come here and claim benefits without contributing to the system.

 

So if that's the best you've got i can't see you ever justifying the statement, "I do get fed up with every crime committed by a Muslim having their religion brought into it." Their religion is only ever brought into it when they themselves bring it into it, otherwise, as with the "Asian paedo gangs", the media run an absolute mile away from the mere mention of their religion so as not to offend white middle class do-gooders like you. But it seems even that's not got enough for you, which makes me wonder what your agenda is to be honest. Seems a bit creepy.

[MooseBreath]

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but seriously Moose you really are blinkered by the media if you think the only terrorists are muslims, every religion has extremists. And since you don't seem to able to grasp that I give up.

 

I don't think I've ever said that "the only terrorists are muslims". They are the only ones continuously plotting to commit mass murder of people like me and you though.

 

not us directly in this country but if you look at Burma you have Buddhists destroying mosques and attacking muslims, and supposedly recently a two-child limit imposed on muslims.

 

*awaits Mosse to say this is what we should be doing*

 

DOn't you think you could have picked an example where muslims aren't involved at all? Would have lent more weight to your theory. But then perhaps maybe you actually couldn't. I've posted this link and made this point on here before, but it's well worth repeating. This is the wikipedia page for major ongoing global conflicts. See how many you can find that have nothing to do with Islam:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts

[Captain...]

I don't think I've ever said that "the only terrorists are muslims". They are the only ones continuously plotting to commit mass murder of people like me and you though.

DOn't you think you could have picked an example where muslims aren't involved at all? Would have lent more weight to your theory. But then perhaps maybe you actually couldn't. I've posted this link and made this point on here before, but it's well worth repeating. This is the wikipedia page for major ongoing global conflicts. See how many you can find that have nothing to do with Islam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts

But this is exactly my point, there are civil wars in Muslim countries, but they are not about religion, but you can't differentiate, as I said earlier, nobody would call the Rwandan civil war a Christian conflict, despite both sides being Christian.

Furthermore you can't compare Islam in developing and third world countries, Syria and Libya are conflicts in Muslim countries over power, Iraq and Afghanistan are wars initiated by the west against Muslim countries trying to depose the regime not the religion.

[Captain...]

Yes, they themselves brought that fact into it, claiming that it was the first time they had tried alcohol as they were Muslims, hence wouldn't know how they would respond to the alcohol. They were let off and also lied, as iirc members of this forum knew them and said that they were getting bladdered way before that.

But the rhetoric was al about them being Muslims, how they only got off cos we are scared of Muslims, how sharia law is overtaking English law etc.

[Captain...]

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but seriously Moose you really are blinkered by the media if you think the only terrorists are muslims, every religion has extremists. And since you don't seem to able to grasp that I give up.

But I do find him amooseing, in every political debate he preaches individual responsibility and yet as soon as it comes to Islam the collective is responsible for the actions of individuals.

[anotherharboroughfox]

I don't think I've ever said that "the only terrorists are muslims". They are the only ones continuously plotting to commit mass murder of people like me and you though.

 

 

DOn't you think you could have picked an example where muslims aren't involved at all? Would have lent more weight to your theory. But then perhaps maybe you actually couldn't. I've posted this link and made this point on here before, but it's well worth repeating. This is the wikipedia page for major ongoing global conflicts. See how many you can find that have nothing to do with Islam:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts

 

they involve Islamic people yes, but most of those conflicts are political.

[Kitchandro]

Tell you what fella, why don't you tell us what you believe and why, just saying you agree with what he says, makes you sound more like a sheep than a racist.

 

Why does it make him a sheep? Like myself he probably thought those things before he saw the video.

 

All religions are ridiculous but Islam is certainly more so than the others.

[MooseBreath]

Hopefully this case marks the start of the time when we can finally talk openly about race-related issues.

The whole concept of racism in modern Britain has had an irrational amount of sensitivity attached to it by left wingers frightened of appearing to be racist, to the point where it's become normal for people to utter trite lies focussed on neutrality and not upsetting anyone, rather than actually being honest and telling it like it is.

In most cases, this doesn't matter... But when it comes to young girls being systematically abused by gangs of viscious paedophiles, we really need to snap out of this nonsense and start growing the **** up.

 

 

 

Post I made just over a year ago, on 19th May 2012.

 

The liberals* have had their way since then. We're still shit scared to talk about it. And look where it has got us. More and more gang rapes, more and more attacks. More violence than ever. More murder plots than ever. Ordinary Brits living in more fear than ever. Good job guys.

 

 

*I hesitate to describe the type of people who prefer ongoing rapes and murders over having the balls to call a spade a spade as 'liberals', because even the very worst image of liberals doesn't come close to the pathetic nature of these dangerous do-gooders

[Kitchandro]

It's disappointing to see a 'fairly tolerant individual' agreeing with a UKIP activist who devotes his life to calling liberals 'apologists for evil' and saying that he wants all forms of religion 'out of his life'. This man literally can't go five seconds without using the word 'offended', describes Islam as 'cruel', 'intolerant', 'pushy' and 'threatening' and supports Geert Wilders, a right wing politician accused of incitement to racial hatred in Britain, and who likened the Quran to Mein Kampf. He also, incidentally, described Christians as his 'allies' (despite the fact that Condell hates religion... which makes him a hypocrite as well as a bigot).

 

I do not support Islam because I do not support organised religion in general. But those who suggest that Islam is in some way worse than other religions because people commit crimes in the name of Islam, but not other religions, would do well to look upon the Crusades, Irgun, Lehi, the Carlists in Spain, the Troubles in Ireland, Punjab insurgency and so on. Conflict tends to come with the territory.

 

Did you not watch the video? Islam is not worse because of that, it's worse because of the general beliefs and attitudes of the people who follow it.

 

I don't know who that guy is, I don't think he's a 'legend', he might be a total cock and a bigot, but his comments in that video, in isolation, are right on the money.

[anotherharboroughfox]

 Ordinary Brits living in more fear than ever. Good job guys.

 

 

You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack. 

You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack.

 

(those figures are quoted from the US but you get the point...)