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[Webbo]

 

You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack. 

You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack.

 

(those figures are quoted from the US but you get the point...)

 

How is that in anyway relevant?

[leicsmac]

How is that in anyway relevant?

 

I guess the point that was trying to be made is that dying in a terrorist attack is not something you should be afraid of, because the chances of it happening are statistically insignificant. Which makes it an irrational fear.

 

Can I add another reason? If you go about your lives in fear of them, they win.

[anotherharboroughfox]

How is that in anyway relevant?

 

he said ordinary Brits living in fear (I assumed of terrorist attacks)...

 

so if you're going to live in fear of that, you may as well live in fear of heart disease or getting hit by a train and various other ways to die.

 

I realise this is way off topic.

[Zingari]

I saw  a bloke on the telly the other day ( Richard Hall)  saying that most of this sort terrorist and killing spree stuff is committed by Manchurian Candidates .

 

He said the real target in the Raoul Moat killing spree was that lawyer bloke who was telling people how to sue the major utilities . 

 

You never know, he might have a point, 

[Webbo]

There is such a load of shit in this thread, from both sides. Firstly criticizing Islamism is not racist and people have a right to be concerned.Comparing what has happened to the crusades(which happened 800 years ago) or the Spanish Inquisition is pathetic.

 

Secondly all individuals are responsible for their own actions. Their religion is no excuse and other people who happen to follow the same religion are necessarily guilty by association.

[Rincewind]

One way of overcoming the fear is get to know some Muslims and talk to them. The personal route is more reliable than reading scaremongering media.

[lavrentis]

One way of overcoming the fear is get to know some Muslims and talk to them. The personal route is more reliable than reading scaremongering media.

 

 

Rincewind for PM

[Captain...]

Post I made just over a year ago, on 19th May 2012.

The liberals* have had their way since then. We're still shit scared to talk about it. And look where it has got us. More and more gang rapes, more and more attacks. More violence than ever. More murder plots than ever. Ordinary Brits living in more fear than ever. Good job guys.

*I hesitate to describe the type of people who prefer ongoing rapes and murders over having the balls to call a spade a spade as 'liberals', because even the very worst image of liberals doesn't come close to the pathetic nature of these dangerous do-gooders

I'll happily call a spade a spade, a man who makes sweeping generalisations about a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority is a racist.

Don't worry I have more: a man who fvcks kids is a paedophile, a man who worships Islam is a Muslim, a man who does both is a Muslim paedophile, but they are 2 distinct characteristics, and one doesn't encourage the other.

Unless you or anyone else can show any evidence to the contrary I will continue to believe that.

[Rincewind]

 

 

http://www.muslimaid.org/index.php/about-us

 

It only takes a little open mindedness.

[Hugo Sanchez]

Get rid of Islam ? Get rid of all religions. So outdated these days. Its not 1482 anymore. We have something called science. What has religion really ever done for the world ? Apart from war after war. John Lennon said it best ... and no religion too.

[DennisNedry]

 

 

http://www.muslimaid.org/index.php/about-us

 

It only takes a little open mindedness.

 

Ken, I'm not saying that you're old, but it's funny to see somebody of your age being so liberal.

Most older people will get straight on to the 'there were none of these bloody indyuns 'round in my day and we were all much happier' rhetoric.

[MooseBreath]

I'll happily call a spade a spade, a man who makes sweeping generalisations about a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority is a racist.

Don't worry I have more: a man who fvcks kids is a paedophile, a man who worships Islam is a Muslim, a man who does both is a Muslim paedophile, but they are 2 distinct characteristics, and one doesn't encourage the other.

Unless you or anyone else can show any evidence to the contrary I will continue to believe that.

No that's the muslim paedophile gangs issue again. The idea that muslim culture 'allows' these groups of family and friends to get together to drug and gang rape white kids has been discussed in the respectable media by people far more intelligent than me. To be honest it has been discussed to death. If you want to educate yourself go ahead and use google. I'm not doing it for you. The strength of your hidden agenda is clear to everyone at this point, captain, and to be perfectly honest you are actually starting to creep me out a bit. I'm getting these odd Nicholas Brody vibes coming through. 

[Rincewind]

Ken, I'm not saying that you're old, but it's funny to see somebody of your age being so liberal.

Most older people will get straight on to the 'there were none of these bloody indyuns 'round in my day and we were all much happier' rhetoric.

Thanks I'll take it as a compliment. To be honest I have always been fairly liberal minded. I was brought up to treat people how I would like to be treated and not single individuals out because they are different. It might stem from being on the receiving end at times.

I follow no religion myself but I look at the poerson first. Good people do good things regardless of the god they believe in and visa versa with bad people.

[theessexfox]

In fairness, I can see a world without religion being an improvement. 

[MooseBreath]

Ken, I'm not saying that you're old, but it's funny to see somebody of your age being so liberal.

Most older people will get straight on to the 'there were none of these bloody indyuns 'round in my day and we were all much happier' rhetoric.

 

Ken is far from liberal. He is completely intolerant of others beliefs and takes every opportunity to swipe at a great wide range of people from politicians to bankers, the rich, the educated, people on average salaries, people who don't need benefits, people who have never been homeless etc etc etc. Basically he pretends to stand for the hard luck brigade but in reality he uses that position to bitch and moan and place blame on everyone else.

 

And then like a true capitalist he makes himself a brand new thread purely to try and get people to buy his book of poems, and he calls it "The Amazon Thread" lol Brilliant stuff. "Please buy my book" would have been more accurate, but no, can't call a spade a spade.

[Kitchandro]

Get rid of Islam ? Get rid of all religions. So outdated these days. Its not 1482 anymore. We have something called science. What has religion really ever done for the world ? Apart from war after war. John Lennon said it best ... and no religion too.

 

It's not so much religion vs science as religion vs individuals thinking for themselves and having their own beliefs.

[inckley fox]

There's been a misunderstanding. I said that I agree with part of what he said not all of it.

 

One point I'd use - Preaching death to homosexuals by certain religious leaders, if true this is something I couldn't possibly allow because it's intolerant and therefore against what I believe in. I'm sure we agree on that particular point

 

I also know we agree on a number of other points - some of which I have highlighted in bold - be assured I do not support any of those aspects of this man's beliefs and after watching a few of his videos I realise I am mostly against him.

 

I hope this has cleared things up.

 

Okay, fair enough.

[inckley fox]

I don't think I've ever said that "the only terrorists are muslims". They are the only ones continuously plotting to commit mass murder of people like me and you though.

 

 

DOn't you think you could have picked an example where muslims aren't involved at all? Would have lent more weight to your theory. But then perhaps maybe you actually couldn't. I've posted this link and made this point on here before, but it's well worth repeating. This is the wikipedia page for major ongoing global conflicts. See how many you can find that have nothing to do with Islam:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts

 

The religious conflict which has claimed by far the most lives on UK soil, in my lifetime, doesn't involve Muslims. Plenty of 'people like me and you' got caught up in that one too.

 

Over a quarter of the world's population are Muslims. It's not really a surprise that they are involved in a large proportion of global conflicts. The ones that we got caught up in, we got caught up in of our own volition and to do with Islam.

 

In fact, as further proof that Islam itself wasn't the problem in these cases, it has been shown that much of the regime change we supported in Iraq, Syria and much of the Arab Spring was from a relatively secular regime to a more devoutly Islamic one.

[bovril]

In fairness, I can see a world without religion being an improvement. 

 

I'm sure we'd still find plenty of other things to fight over.

[Guest ttfn]

I saw a bloke on the telly the other day ( Richard Hall) saying that most of this sort terrorist and killing spree stuff is committed by Manchurian Candidates .

He said the real target in the Raoul Moat killing spree was that lawyer bloke who was telling people how to sue the major utilities .

You never know, he might have a point,

[Guest ttfn]

Get rid of Islam ? Get rid of all religions. So outdated these days. Its not 1482 anymore. We have something called science. What has religion really ever done for the world ? Apart from war after war. John Lennon said it best ... and no religion too.

Religion has done a lot of good for the world too.

[theessexfox]

I'm sure we'd still find plenty of other things to fight over.

Perhaps some of it would be based on truth... 

[bovril]

Get rid of Islam ? Get rid of all religions. So outdated these days. Its not 1482 anymore. We have something called science. What has religion really ever done for the world ? Apart from war after war. John Lennon said it best ... and no religion too.

 

And John Lennon ended up a victim of gun crime in the US, far more dangerous and real than religious extremism.

[Rincewind]

Ken is far from liberal. He is completely intolerant of others beliefs and takes every opportunity to swipe at a great wide range of people from politicians to bankers, the rich, the educated, people on average salaries, people who don't need benefits, people who have never been homeless etc etc etc. Basically he pretends to stand for the hard luck brigade but in reality he uses that position to bitch and moan and place blame on everyone else.

 

And then like a true capitalist he makes himself a brand new thread purely to try and get people to buy his book of poems, and he calls it "The Amazon Thread" lol Brilliant stuff. "Please buy my book" would have been more accurate, but no, can't call a spade a spade.

I'm not the one saying all Muslims are terrorists. I have no problem with religion as long as it isn't shoved down my throat. I prefer a Secular society.. Having worked and met people that have been homeless I am able to have a wider POV. I do not dismiss them before finding out more and I am not a Troll.  

[Mack]

Good to see Cameron thinks it's fine to swan off to Ibiza whilst the family of the dead soldier are bent double in agonising grief on the Woolwich St where their son / husband was hacked to death.

These toffs currently in charge make my toes curl with their ways.