Woolwich

[Fox92]

It's not just a couple of nut jobs though that's the thing.

We have sat back and watched whilst Muslim extremists have slowly increased in numbers. As has been said we have been too scared to upset people to our own detriment. We need to start getting the law abiding decent Muslims to start acting against their people. How I don't know. That or we need to start at it's root. Eradicate the Muslim protests regarding our troops and wars. **** the human rights side of things and seriously kick the anti British ones who protest out of our country. Where I know nor care.

Totally agree.

The human rights act needs demolishing anyway.

[theessexfox]

If it were up to me I'd take all of our military out of Muslim countries, withdraw support for any America attacks on Muslim countries, and remove all Muslims from this country.

Just have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the cvnts. They are like a deranged psycho you're better off just staying away from.

You're just too much of a d*ckhead to reason with, really. 

[anotherharboroughfox]

It's not just a couple of nut jobs though that's the thing.

We have sat back and watched whilst Muslim extremists have slowly increased in numbers. As has been said we have been too scared to upset people to our own detriment. We need to start getting the law abiding decent Muslims to start acting against their people. How I don't know. That or we need to start at it's root. Eradicate the Muslim protests regarding our troops and wars. **** the human rights side of things and seriously kick the anti British ones who protest out of our country. Where I know nor care.

 

I completely support tackling extremism.

But people like Moose are saying we should kick out every muslim? that's just plain racist. 

[Rusko187]

It's not just a couple of nut jobs though that's the thing.

We have sat back and watched whilst Muslim extremists have slowly increased in numbers. As has been said we have been too scared to upset people to our own detriment. We need to start getting the law abiding decent Muslims to start acting against their people. How I don't know. That or we need to start at it's root. Eradicate the Muslim protests regarding our troops and wars. **** the human rights side of things and seriously kick the anti British ones who protest out of our country. Where I know nor care.

Completely agree with your post, felt a +1 was not enough.

[Kitchandro]

It's not racist.

This is the most annoying thing, you get branded a 'racist' just trying to defend you're own people/country.

 

It's not racist because Islam is a religion, not a race. Let's stop confusing the two.

 

People choose a religion and behave a certain way/'believe' certain things because of it. Therefore they are rightly open to criticism if their behaviour or 'beliefs' are considered wrong by others.

 

People are perfectly entitled to criticise a religion if they disagree with it's values. That's not to be confused with either 1) People hating everyone that follows a religion because of the actions of a few or 2) People hating a group of people because they happen to be born in a certain country/have a certain skin colour.

 

I don't like Islam specifically because it's more backward and divisive than any of the other major religions, nor do I agree with any religion. That's not to say I think they are all meat cleaver wielding psycopaths or suicide bombers.

[Kitchandro]

I completely support tackling extremism.

But people like Moose are saying we should kick out every muslim? that's just plain racist. 

 

No it's not, Islam isn't a race.

 

I completely disagree with that idea, mind.

[Captain...]

I do think you talk sense here Moose...but what happens if we take the hard line?

Exactly what the extremists on both sides want. If we make Muslims in general 'the enemy'. Fear and conflict will be bred on all sides, and racial segregation will become an even bigger problem than it is already.

I totally agree that a more focussed approach is needed on these crimes, but take them on individually and separately as the work of sick bastards. Which they are. Taking a hard line and generalising the Muslim population is exactly what the extreme elements want.

They want division. They want 'us and them'. Let's not give it to them.

The hardline approach needs to come from the top not from the streets, we take the law into our own hands then the police will look to stamp it out, as they do with the EDL protests and it will cause further factions within Britain.

The politicians need to put a lot more pressure on the Muslim communities here and abroad to publicly and repeatedly condemn all terrorist (and paedophilic) activity. Until we can make a distinction between good decent Muslims and scum you are going to have idiots declaring all Muslims to be cvnts based on the actions of a minority. We need to integrate the decent Muslims and isolate and identify the scum, but this needs to come from within the British Muslim community but under pressure from the government to conform to British rule and law or get out.

[anotherharboroughfox]

No it's not, Islam isn't a race.

 

I completely disagree with that idea, mind.

 

 you know what I meant though   out of curiosity what is the term? I've always wondered

[leicsmac]

Totally agree.

The human rights act needs demolishing anyway.

 

It's exploited way too much, but getting rid of it entirely would be going too far. People would definitely exploit that too.

[The Year Of The Fox]

It's exploited way too much, but getting rid of it entirely would be going too far. People would definitely exploit that too.

Well yes clearly access to fresh water, free education etc are things everyone needs. You only need to to get rid of certain ones.

[Kitchandro]

 you know what I meant though   out of curiosity what is the term? I've always wondered

 

I'm not sure actually.

 

I think you can just put it under generalisation or stereotyping though.

[leicsmac]

The hardline approach needs to come from the top not from the streets, we take the law into our own hands then the police will look to stamp it out, as they do with the EDL protests and it will cause further factions within Britain.

The politicians need to put a lot more pressure on the Muslim communities here and abroad to publicly and repeatedly condemn all terrorist (and paedophilic) activity. Until we can make a distinction between good decent Muslims and scum you are going to have idiots declaring all Muslims to be cvnts based on the actions of a minority. We need to integrate the decent Muslims and isolate and identify the scum, but this needs to come from within the British Muslim community but under pressure from the government to conform to British rule and law or get out.

 

Totally agree. To stop the generalisations the vast majority of Muslims here need to speak out and dissociate themselves from the nutjobs more often.

[anotherharboroughfox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opRntNy573U

 

this guy has it spot on.

[Captain...]

No it's not, Islam isn't a race.

I completely disagree with that idea, mind.

Neither is black, Asian or any other distinction we make within the human race. The definition of racism is, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, is the discrimination of groups of people based around certain characteristics, such as skin colour, nationality and religion. You can break it down further to make distinctions between Islamophobia or anti Semites, but saying all Muslims are cvnts is racist, and even if you want to argue semantics, it is just as bigoted as saying all blacks are cvnts. So trying to argue it isn't racist is just pointless.

[The Year Of The Fox]

It's exploited way too much, but getting rid of it entirely would be going too far. People would definitely exploit that too.

Well yes clearly access to fresh water, free education etc are things everyone needs. You only need to to get rid of certain ones.

[MooseBreath]

The majority of slave owners did good by their slaves. They were treated fairly, fed, watered and sheltered in exchange for an honest days graft. The minority of slave owners with their mistreatment of slaves gave all slave owners a bad name, and it was because of the minority behaving badly that the slave trade was abolished.

Looking back, I'm sure we all agree that abolishing the slave trade was the right thing to do, because the slave trade was a piece of shit regardless of how many good people went along with it.

It's disconcerting to think that if we had the slave trade today, lots of people would, in the name of advanced morality no less, staunchly defend it on the basis that the minority should not be able to give the majority a bad name. Because that's exactly what we're doing with Islam. We're forgiving the fact that it produces regular doses of unimaginable horror, on the basis that for the most part, it's largely inoffensive.

[Kitchandro]

Neither is black, Asian or any other distinction we make within the human race. The definition of racism is, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, is the discrimination of groups of people based around certain characteristics, such as skin colour, nationality and religion. You can break it down further to make distinctions between Islamophobia or anti Semites, but saying all Muslims are cvnts is racist, and even if you want to argue semantics, it is just as bigoted as saying all blacks are cvnts. So trying to argue it isn't racist is just pointless.

 

We could argue semantics til we're blue in the face, and we could make out the two things were the same, but then the word would have no meaning at all and therefore you could not label it to anyone.

 

What you can't do is say that disliking someone for a choice they make is the same as disliking someone for being born with something.

 

So being specifically anti-Islamic or anti-semitic, as wrong as it may be, cannot be construed as racism. Otherwise calling somebody a racist has little meaning.

 

You consider racism a bad thing don't you? So you need to be specific about what it is.

[john doe]

Neither is black, Asian or any other distinction we make within the human race. The definition of racism is, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, is the discrimination of groups of people based around certain characteristics, such as skin colour, nationality and religion. You can break it down further to make distinctions between Islamophobia or anti Semites, but saying all Muslims are cvnts is racist, and even if you want to argue semantics, it is just as bigoted as saying all blacks are cvnts. So trying to argue it isn't racist is just pointless.

can we say some blacks/muslims are cvnts and it not be deemed racist ?

[Captain...]

Sorry but can someone explain how changing the human rights act could have stopped the death of a soldier in Woolwich.

[The Guvnor]

Evil deluded misguided scumbags killing an innocent unarmed soldier makes me feel sick.

[Captain...]

can we say some blacks/muslims are cvnts and it not be deemed racist ?

You can call anyone that is a cvnt a cvnt, you can't call someone a cvnt because they share similar characteristics with other known cvnts. It would be like me calling MattP or John the Hat cvnts just because certain other 'right wingers' on here show themselves up as cvnts.

[MooseBreath]

Who could have ever guessed that this would descend into liberals slinging around accusations of racism. What a huge surprise.

[Captain...]

Who could have ever guessed that this would descend into liberals slinging around accusations of racism. What a huge surprise.

Well it wouldn't have happened if people hadn't decided to make racist comments.

[john doe]

You can call anyone that is a cvnt a cvnt, you can't call someone a cvnt because they share similar characteristics with other known cvnts. It would be like me calling MattP or John the Hat cvnts just because certain other 'right wingers' on here show themselves up as cvnts.

right winger?dyer comment

[Danno]

The RAF have intercepted a flight from Pakistan to Manchester apparently