Woolwich

[flowwolf]

Why?

 

 

You would need to have serious physiological problems to take up Islam if you were not brainwashed as a child in to it. Who with an ounce of sanity would want to take up such a backward religion that sanctions the stoning of women to death for adultery and a mantra that says anyone who does not follow that religion is an infidel and going to burn in hell.

 

Sad lonely people that's who.

[Guest MattP]

Hello we are the EDL, we believe in peaceful protest and are not violent.

 

Now we are going to burn this huge Islamic place down and write a huge EDL on the wall just so you know it's us.

 

 

You would need to have serious physiological problems to take up Islam if you were not brainwashed as a child in to it. Who with an ounce of sanity would want to take up such a backward religion that sanctions the stoning of women to death for adultery and a mantra that says anyone who does not follow that religion is an infidel and going to burn in hell.

 

Sad lonely people that's who.

 

I was going to say, why do you think all the converts you ever see on these programs are fcuk ups, loners and prisoners.

[leicsmac]

"Personally I like the Zoo Hypothesis - I've mentioned that one before. There's civilisations out there, and they can see us, but they're not allowed to interact with us until we find them."

 

I like Star Trek but dude, come on.....     ....and "different strokes" is not real either.

 

Crackpot... 

 

I never said that it wasn't crackpot. I only said that I liked it and it might be fun. Of course it's not verifiable and as a scientist that makes it definitely far out there, it's just fun to consider. 

 

Perhaps I should have explained it in a more frivolous fashion to make it clearer that I don't consider it serious?

 

Also, I think the other stuff I have mentioned in this thread (humanity facing a global threat one day and there being extremists on both sides because of ignorance) is pretty realistic.

[I am Rod Hull]

I never said that it wasn't crackpot. I only said that I liked it and it might be fun. Of course it's not verifiable and as a scientist that makes it definitely far out there, it's just fun to consider. 

 

Perhaps I should have explained it in a more frivolous fashion to make it clearer that I don't consider it serious?

 

Also, I think the other stuff I have mentioned in this thread (humanity facing a global threat one day and there being extremists on both sides because of ignorance) is pretty realistic.

 

Nanoo nanoo.

[leicsmac]

Nanoo nanoo.

 

[anotherharboroughfox]

After reading your posts in this thread and then reading these doozies it seems that my first impressions of you were correct... you are both living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

Reality just passes you by.....

 

Now we just need CPF to be touched by God and we`ll have a hattrick. 

 

you do realise it was completely hypothetical?

[I am Rod Hull]

 Shazbot

 

 

you do realise it was completely hypothetical?

 No no no no, dont try to wriggle your way out of it now.

[leicsmac]

Man, you're taking this stuff way too seriously. 

[I am Rod Hull]

Man, you're taking this stuff way too seriously. 

 

"Mork calling leicsmac, come in leicsmac". 

 

The only things I take seriously are food and tea.

[ADK]

You would need to have serious physiological problems to take up Islam if you were not brainwashed as a child in to it. Who with an ounce of sanity would want to take up such a backward religion that sanctions the stoning of women to death for adultery and a mantra that says anyone who does not follow that religion is an infidel and going to burn in hell.

 

Sad lonely people that's who.

 

I missed Bilo's question but this is basically my reasoning too.

 

Would you trust a devout Scientologist?

 

I can't really comprehend why a sane individual would want to associate themselves with a foreign religion with a reputation for being backward.

 

If people are born into it culturally then fair enough, i'm not religious but occasionally go into churches for various functions, i don't refuse to sing the hymns. I haven't believed in God since about 5, same as father christmas tooth fairy ect

 

"Born again" Christians are creepy aswell.

[leicsmac]

"Mork calling leicsmac, come in leicsmac". 

 

The only things I take seriously are food and tea.

 

Ah right, now I'm getting it. Not really up with sci-fi sitcoms. Most sci-fi is crap anyway - unrealistic, would you believe.   But some of it has some good science in.

 

Never much of a tea drinker myself - not sure if as an Englishman that constitutes blasphemy, but I prefer coffee.

[FoxesAreBlue]

Never much of a tea drinker myself - not sure if as an Englishman that constitutes blasphemy, but I prefer coffee.

Nope. Treason.

[Mack]

There is a whole heap of non reporting and dumbing down going on at the moment in an attempt to quell the war that is so close to starting here.

I'd imagine if that Islamic centre was burnt down by the EDL then the chain reaction is already well underway and even the media's lack of coverage wont stop it.

[flowwolf]

There is a whole heap of non reporting and dumbing down going on at the moment in an attempt to quell the war that is so close to starting here.

I'd imagine if that Islamic centre was burnt down by the EDL then the chain reaction is already well underway and even the media's lack of coverage wont stop it.

Excellent post. There is only so much the tolerant understanding British public will stand for. After 7/7 bombings in London people did not react because they genuinely believed that it was a wake up call and that our government would put a stop to Islamic terrorism in our midst.

Years on and they now realise nothing of the sort has happened. After seeing Muslims burning poppies on remembrance day and shouting abuse at the coffins being brought back from Iraq and Afghanistan we now have had to witness the terrible murder of a young soldier by Islamic terrorists on the streets of London.

And so it goes on. Despite the tut tutting of ministers and the virtual news blackout of any unrest among the populous and the empty promises to do something about it we all know it will not be tackled and more murders are going to happen.

A famous much derided politician forecast the events we are now seeing unfolding. At least he is dead and won't have to see his forecast come true.

[purpleronnie]

There is a whole heap of non reporting and dumbing down going on at the moment in an attempt to quell the war that is so close to starting here.

I'd imagine if that Islamic centre was burnt down by the EDL then the chain reaction is already well underway and even the media's lack of coverage wont stop it.

[leicsmac]

Excellent post. There is only so much the tolerant understanding British public will stand for. After 7/7 bombings in London people did not react because they genuinely believed that it was a wake up call and that our government would put a stop to Islamic terrorism in our midst.

Years on and they now realise nothing of the sort has happened. After seeing Muslims burning poppies on remembrance day and shouting abuse at the coffins being brought back from Iraq and Afghanistan we now have had to witness the terrible murder of a young soldier by Islamic terrorists on the streets of London.

And so it goes on. Despite the tut tutting of ministers and the virtual news blackout of any unrest among the populous and the empty promises to do something about it we all know it will not be tackled and more murders are going to happen.

A famous much derided politician forecast the events we are now seeing unfolding. At least he is dead and won't have to see his forecast come true.

 

You sound like you think there are only nutters and racists on one side and that you actually want things to go to the next level. Just to prove good ol' Enoch was right, eh?

[Captain...]

Excellent post. There is only so much the tolerant understanding British public will stand for. After 7/7 bombings in London people did not react because they genuinely believed that it was a wake up call and that our government would put a stop to Islamic terrorism in our midst.

Years on and they now realise nothing of the sort has happened. After seeing Muslims burning poppies on remembrance day and shouting abuse at the coffins being brought back from Iraq and Afghanistan we now have had to witness the terrible murder of a young soldier by Islamic terrorists on the streets of London.

And so it goes on. Despite the tut tutting of ministers and the virtual news blackout of any unrest among the populous and the empty promises to do something about it we all know it will not be tackled and more murders are going to happen.

A famous much derided politician forecast the events we are now seeing unfolding. At least he is dead and won't have to see his forecast come true.

 

I think it is harsh to say the government didn't put a stop to terrorism after 7/7, one incident, one death in a decade since 7/7, sounds like they did a decent job, we are never going to stop the threat of terror while we are meddling in the middle east, we should never have followed the US into that tinderbox, Afghanistan we could justify, but we will never be able to fully claim the moral high ground after Iraq, personally I think we are doing the right thing over Syria, staying the fvck out of it, there is no right or wrong out there and in some ways these developing countries need to go through these conflicts before they can find peace and stability. We need to limit our influence to solely political and not get involved in further military conflicts.

 

Would be great to see the whole of humanity pull together in the event of an aggressive alien invasion.

Of course you'd still have people like Captain Pancake Shrapnel saying it's our fault and encouraging people to let the aliens take control.

 

If you are referring to comments like that one above, it is about understanding why we have come under attack, we are not innocent bystanders caught up in a religious war, Blair put us in the firing line, these attacks are not happening for fun, they have a clear political message, which often gets brushed under the carpet by the media, that may be why they wanted it recorded by passers by. Get the military out of the middle east. Is the message, I don't know if we would eliminate all threats by doing so, and arguably we shouldn't be giving in to terrorist demands, but when their wishes are the same as ours, we want our troops back, the government want our troops back, the troops want to come back, and Afghanistan and Iraq don't want our troops there, why are they still out there?

[Manwell Pablo]

I think it is harsh to say the government didn't put a stop to terrorism after 7/7, one incident, one death in a decade since 7/7, sounds like they did a decent job, we are never going to stop the threat of terror while we are meddling in the middle east, we should never have followed the US into that tinderbox, Afghanistan we could justify, but we will never be able to fully claim the moral high ground after Iraq, personally I think we are doing the right thing over Syria, staying the fvck out of it, there is no right or wrong out there and in some ways these developing countries need to go through these conflicts before they can find peace and stability. We need to limit our influence to solely political and not get involved in further military conflicts.

 

 

If you are referring to comments like that one above, it is about understanding why we have come under attack, we are not innocent bystanders caught up in a religious war, Blair put us in the firing line, these attacks are not happening for fun, they have a clear political message, which often gets brushed under the carpet by the media, that may be why they wanted it recorded by passers by. Get the military out of the middle east. Is the message, I don't know if we would eliminate all threats by doing so, and arguably we shouldn't be giving in to terrorist demands, but when their wishes are the same as ours, we want our troops back, the government want our troops back, the troops want to come back, and Afghanistan and Iraq don't want our troops there, why are they still out there?

 

 

You do realise those two points are directly linked?

 

There is the arguement that we should never have got involved in the first place granted but it's a little late for that now.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Whatever we do, the evil will always be with us.

 

The Islamic extremists care nothing for life, let alone tolerate other people's rights to have alternative beliefs. The military factor has very little to do with their activities and hatred.

 

Only wiping out these vermin will stop them, and sadly this will never happen.

[Captain...]

Whatever we do, the evil will always be with us.

The Islamic extremists care nothing for life, let alone tolerate other people's rights to have alternative beliefs. The military factor has very little to do with their activities and hatred.

Only wiping out these vermin will stop them, and sadly this will never happen.

Do you honestly believe that? It isn't star wars they don't turn to the dark side, specifically the woolwich killers they had a clear reason for doing what they did and they wanted that message heard.

Not justifying what they did, but like the IRA, or Anders Brevik, they did what they did because they believed they were right, not because they are psychopaths. They believed that the British involvement in Muslim countries warranted the killing of a man to send this message.

Of course they are wrong, but this can't be dismissed, they were the actions of sane people and that makes things worse in my eyes, random nutters you can't do anything about but sane people killing in the streets we have to ask why, what drove them to it.

If you go down the route of thinking of them as vermin that need extermination you will never be rid of the problem, the more you kill the easier it will be to paint up as the bad guys and turn more Muslims to the cause. The only other way is to work with all decent Muslims here and abroad in making sure that it is clear this is not an attack on Muslims, not getting illegally involved in other conflicts. But really we need to work with Muslims to cast them out from within. I'm a firm believer that tolerance breeds tolerance and extremism breeds extremism.

[flowwolf]

Do you honestly believe that? It isn't star wars they don't turn to the dark side, specifically the woolwich killers they had a clear reason for doing what they did and they wanted that message heard.

Not justifying what they did, but like the IRA, or Anders Brevik, they did what they did because they believed they were right, not because they are psychopaths. They believed that the British involvement in Muslim countries warranted the killing of a man to send this message.

Of course they are wrong, but this can't be dismissed, they were the actions of sane people and that makes things worse in my eyes, random nutters you can't do anything about but sane people killing in the streets we have to ask why, what drove them to it.

If you go down the route of thinking of them as vermin that need extermination you will never be rid of the problem, the more you kill the easier it will be to paint up as the bad guys and turn more Muslims to the cause. The only other way is to work with all decent Muslims here and abroad in making sure that it is clear this is not an attack on Muslims, not getting illegally involved in other conflicts. But really we need to work with Muslims to cast them out from within. I'm a firm believer that tolerance breeds tolerance and extremism breeds extremism.

Nice sound bites. This is our country why the hell do WE need to work with Muslims to stop them murdering us ? So you think the scum who murdered that young soldier were sane ? would you say the same if a E.D.L member felt so strongly and went and beheaded a random Muslim in the street would you say he was sane ?

Your post was either a troll in very bad taste or you need psychiatric help yourself.

[flowwolf]

You sound like you think there are only nutters and racists on one side and that you actually want things to go to the next level. Just to prove good ol' Enoch was right, eh?

So far the only ones blowing people up and beheading people in the street are Muslims fact. I don't need to prove Enoch was right the events have done it for him.

[Guest MattP]

So far the only ones blowing people up and beheading people in the street are Muslims fact. I don't need to prove Enoch was right the events have done it for him.

 

That was the problem with the immigration system, it's alright having your own nutters, it's usually not a good idea to import a significant proportion of what a lot of people see as 'the eneny' and expect to have no problems.

 

Sad thing is at some point we probably will have a serious problem where it goes off and being honest it would be better if that happened now rather than 50 years if it does.

[Rincewind]

Because the bankers fecked things up the economies not in a good shape so somebody has to take the blame and be scapegoats.

 

Adolf Hitler - Germany 1921

Nick Griffin - 201

[Captain...]

Nice sound bites. This is our country why the hell do WE need to work with Muslims to stop them murdering us ? So you think the scum who murdered that young soldier were sane ? would you say the same if a E.D.L member felt so strongly and went and beheaded a random Muslim in the street would you say he was sane ?

Your post was either a troll in very bad taste or you need psychiatric help yourself.

No, they were sane they knew what they were doing and why they were doing it. Likewise if an edl member attacked a Muslim I would think they were sane. There are not random acts perpetrated by lunatics, they are acts by sane people led astray.

The reason why we need to work with the Muslim communities is because we forcibly got involved in their affairs. We can't undo what has been done, but if we want to have any sort of involvement in the middle east it has to be as allies to the Muslims not as enemies otherwise it will Just lead to more extremism. Or we just get the fvck out of there and let them sort themselves out.