Woolwich

[Guest Bilo]

Oh dear, still no ones running cars into them and then attacking them while they are on the floor with machetes and stabbing them to death and beheading them. Or waiting till the they sit on trains and buses and blowing them to bits.

 

It's a tough world and one of their own religions makings  Are they really surprised at some kind of backlash ?

 

This can't be serious.

 

You might as well agree with the animals who killed Lee Rigby in the first place; it was his own fault for being part of an army who had killed Muslims and he 'shouldn't really be surprised at some kind of backlash.'

[flowwolf]

Effective at what? Creating more extremists, death and terror?

 

In putting pressure on that community to do something about those among them who are bring shame and retribution to their religion and culture. As an off shoot what would you do about this continued assault on our way  of life and culture ?

[flowwolf]

This can't be serious.

 

You might as well agree with the animals who killed Lee Rigby in the first place; it was his own fault for being part of an army who had killed Muslims and he 'shouldn't really be surprised at some kind of backlash.'

 

Yes well you have already shown your colours. You call them " animals " yet seek to defend their actions ? you can't be serious .

[flowwolf]

But do you not think that this backlash could cause more problems? If you take it as two nutters killed a man, said nutters are in jail and will be convicted. Then it is done. We start persecuting all Muslims we are going to create more radical nutters, and therefore more chance of incidents like that in Woolwich.

We can't condone these attacks, in the same way the Muslim community spoke out against the killing of Lee Rigby, we should be doing the same, not saying, well it's ok as they haven't killed anyone yet, only firebombed schools and mosques and community centres, but nobody died so that makes it ok.

 

This is one of those situation where it has got to get worse before it gets better. Check the history of N.Ireland 1969 to 1997. When governments introduce ethnic groups in a kind of social experiment into a country such as Britain and across Europe , human nature ensures it is going to be a giant upheaval. Some groups will integrate well after initial rejections but others due to their refusal to integrate because their religion forbade it will always be the one that everyone wishes were not here.

 

Recent events have drawn the line and if you think appeasement works you are wrong.

 

I wish to make it clear that I do not support or wish any type of backlash be it from the Islamic fundamentalists or members of the British public , that road leads to anarchy . All I am saying is that I am not surprised at these incidents. 

[Captain...]

I did not say it was ok. I said do not be surprised if peoples tolerance has evaporated. We have had people on her claiming those two murderers were not nutters ( ring any bells ) but had some sort of reason to do what they did. If there is a backlash  can the ethnic community these two brainwashed Islamic terrorist come from be they be surprised ? 

 

May be it will take until you yourself are sitting in a wheelchair with no legs because you took a London bus or tube one day or get a phone call to tell you your husband / wife / children have been blown to bits before you can qualify to be so judgemental on those who realise what is going on and decide to do something about it , because your government who let these wholly unsuitable people in to our society are not capable of doing it.

 

Why do people think that just because it hasn't happened to someone their opinion isn't valid, I have this view point,  because it is what I believe, if it was someone I knew or a member of my family that was killed in Woolwich, I would not start bombing Mosques, these incidents are committed by extremist who believe they are being persecuted, and are not representative of all Muslims, in the same way the IRA was not representative of all Irish and the Westboro Baptist Church are not representative of all Christians. Losing my legs is not going to change that.

 

Persecute more Muslims, you create more extremists.

 

I just thought, this is nothing new...

These articles constantly posted about Muslims, but what do they expect? They aren't the first to receive it, and they won't be the last.

(I'm not saying its right either, I'm not arguing with anyone. I'd like to see a World where everyone gets along with everyone, without the thought of a attack/war, but this will never happen).

 

Why will this never happen, if people start believing in world peace, then maybe it will happen.

In putting pressure on that community to do something about those among them who are bring shame and retribution to their religion and culture. As an off shoot what would you do about this continued assault on our way  of life and culture ?

 

What continued assault? you mean 2 incidents in 10 years, that is not continued, Simon Cowell is a greater threat to our culture.

 

The Muslim communities want to separate themselves from the extremists, but when our own government won't even help them do that, what can they do.

 

Yes well you have already shown your colours. You call them " animals " yet seek to defend their actions ? you can't be serious .

 

He is making the point that by saying people are justified in attacking Muslims because what happened to Lee Rigby, then you can just as easily argue that extremists are justified in their actions because of the death and destruction that have been brought about by the West's involvement in Muslim countries.

 

This is one of those situation where it has got to get worse before it gets better. Check the history of N.Ireland 1969 to 1997. When governments introduce ethnic groups in a kind of social experiment into a country such as Britain and across Europe , human nature ensures it is going to be a giant upheaval. Some groups will integrate well after initial rejections but others due to their refusal to integrate because their religion forbade it will always be the one that everyone wishes were not here.

 

Recent events have drawn the line and if you think appeasement works you are wrong.

 

I wish to make it clear that I do not support or wish any type of backlash be it from the Islamic fundamentalists or members of the British public , that road leads to anarchy . All I am saying is that I am not surprised at these incidents. 

 

Why must it get worse before it gets better? Our security forces have had the extremists in their back pocket so to speak, they have detected and nullified every threat since 7/7, until this one, which was a cruel and brutal killing, but it was lo tech and required no planning. The response has been many more police on the streets (in London at least), it is incredible how many Bobbies on the beat there are now, don't know if people have noticed it in Leicester, but every time I go out I see policemen around.

 

I do not think we will see anything like 7/7 again, to me this and the Boston bombing seemed like the death throes of a dying cause, but if innocent people are being targeted then we are going to make things worse, if someone dies in these attacks against innocent Muslims then this could escalate.

 

Finally, were there any attacks on right wing groups after Anders Brevik massacred children?

[RobHawk]

Why do people think that just because it hasn't happened to someone their opinion isn't valid, I have this view point,  because it is what I believe, if it was someone I knew or a member of my family that was killed in Woolwich, I would not start bombing Mosques, these incidents are committed by extremist who believe they are being persecuted, and are not representative of all Muslims, in the same way the IRA was not representative of all Irish and the Westboro Baptist Church are not representative of all Christians. Losing my legs is not going to change that.

 

Persecute more Muslims, you create more extremists.

 

 

Why will this never happen, if people start believing in world peace, then maybe it will happen.

 

What continued assault? you mean 2 incidents in 10 years, that is not continued, Simon Cowell is a greater threat to our culture.

 

The Muslim communities want to separate themselves from the extremists, but when our own government won't even help them do that, what can they do.

 

 

He is making the point that by saying people are justified in attacking Muslims because what happened to Lee Rigby, then you can just as easily argue that extremists are justified in their actions because of the death and destruction that have been brought about by the West's involvement in Muslim countries.

 

 

Why must it get worse before it gets better? Our security forces have had the extremists in their back pocket so to speak, they have detected and nullified every threat since 7/7, until this one, which was a cruel and brutal killing, but it was lo tech and required no planning. The response has been many more police on the streets (in London at least), it is incredible how many Bobbies on the beat there are now, don't know if people have noticed it in Leicester, but every time I go out I see policemen around.

 

I do not think we will see anything like 7/7 again, to me this and the Boston bombing seemed like the death throes of a dying cause, but if innocent people are being targeted then we are going to make things worse, if someone dies in these attacks against innocent Muslims then this could escalate.

 

Were there any attacks on right wing groups after Anders Brevik massacred children?

 

Can't believe your still trying! I gave up weeks ago!

[flowwolf]

Why do people think that just because it hasn't happened to someone their opinion isn't valid, I have this view point,  because it is what I believe, if it was someone I knew or a member of my family that was killed in Woolwich, I would not start bombing Mosques, these incidents are committed by extremist who believe they are being persecuted, and are not representative of all Muslims, in the same way the IRA was not representative of all Irish and the Westboro Baptist Church are not representative of all Christians. Losing my legs is not going to change that.

 

Persecute more Muslims, you create more extremists.

 

 

Why will this never happen, if people start believing in world peace, then maybe it will happen.

 

What continued assault? you mean 2 incidents in 10 years, that is not continued, Simon Cowell is a greater threat to our culture.

 

The Muslim communities want to separate themselves from the extremists, but when our own government won't even help them do that, what can they do.

 

 

He is making the point that by saying people are justified in attacking Muslims because what happened to Lee Rigby, then you can just as easily argue that extremists are justified in their actions because of the death and destruction that have been brought about by the West's involvement in Muslim countries.

 

 

Why must it get worse before it gets better? Our security forces have had the extremists in their back pocket so to speak, they have detected and nullified every threat since 7/7, until this one, which was a cruel and brutal killing, but it was lo tech and required no planning. The response has been many more police on the streets (in London at least), it is incredible how many Bobbies on the beat there are now, don't know if people have noticed it in Leicester, but every time I go out I see policemen around.

 

I do not think we will see anything like 7/7 again, to me this and the Boston bombing seemed like the death throes of a dying cause, but if innocent people are being targeted then we are going to make things worse, if someone dies in these attacks against innocent Muslims then this could escalate.

 

Finally, were there any attacks on right wing groups after Anders Brevik massacred children?

 

Well thought out and well put counter argument.  I genuinely hope you are right.

[Captain...]

Well thought out and well put counter argument. I genuinely hope you are right.

Me too.

[Matt]

Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo has been attacked in Belmarsh prison, south-east London, the Ministry of Justice has said.

 

Police are investigating the assault, which took place on Wednesday.

 

It is understood Mr Adebolajo has lost his two front teeth and has since been undergoing medical treatment.

 

Mr Adebolajo, 28, from Romford, east London, is one of two men accused of murdering Fusilier Lee Rigby outside Woolwich barracks on 22 May.

 

Michael Adebowale, 22, from Greenwich, south-east London, is his co-accused.

 

Mr Adebolajo is also accused of the attempted murder of two police officers and possession of a firearm with intent to cause others to believe that violence would be used.

 

Their Old Bailey trial has been set for 18 November.

 

Good.

 

He want's to thank himself lucky it's all he had happen to him.

 

The only thing is we're now paying for the cunt and his medical treatment and two new front teeth.

[Fox92]

Yeah, that's the thing the taxpayer pays for all these scum. Not suprised he's been attacked though. ****.

[Guest]

Good.

He want's to thank himself lucky it's all he had happen to him.

The only thing is we're now paying for the cunt and his medical treatment and two new front teeth.

I'd imagine it won't be long til the taxpayer is rid of him as a burden in there

[Guest Bilo]

He'll get regular beatings I wager.

 

In reality, he'll probably look back on this one as a light kicking.

[Guest MattP]

Let's hope so.

 

This should be in the good news thread really.

[foxoffderby]

Im surprised hes only lost his teeth. More to come I imagine.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Great news. Would love to shake the chap whos done this hands. Even if he is a criminal. He'll get his just deserts. I'd personally happy to arsed rape him using a knife.

I really would love to get my hands on him. The above or I'd take my 6 iron to his head several times.

[Bobby Hundreds]

There ain't no justice like prison justice.

[James.]

I do like the messed up moral minefield of a prisoner kicking the shit out of another prisoner. There must be some kind of hierarchy which determines who is permitted to do what to who.

[leicsmac]

I do like the messed up moral minefield of a prisoner kicking the shit out of another prisoner. There must be some kind of hierarchy which determines who is permitted to do what to who.

 

Wonderful way to describe it. It's not exactly 'right', but the idea of a sadistic nutjob like this having a bucketful of darkness delivered to him in the slammer does appeal to a lot of base instincts.

[Rincewind]

I think it's the one who can hit harder.

 

No correction. It's the one with brains who hires the dumbest 20 stone inmates and gets them to do the hitting while looking mean and telling the victim that it's nothing personal but just a sadistic streak  installed in him caused by  being raised by a same sex couple since a small child.

[Wymsey]

I'm certainly not one to encourage violence on anyone, but given this prior incident, I'm glad the physical abuse has started to be honest..

[leicesterisme]

Good stuff plenty more of that to come aswell. 

[Bettsj2]

So it was prison officers who did it and not inmates?

£20k compensation into the terrorism fund.

Worth it.

[Matt]

One sent down for 45 years and the other told he will die in Prison.

 

Why? Why can't we just put both down? It's clear they did it, They even admitted it.

 

I understand you can't bring the death penalty in and use it too often for example of things you can't 100% prove, but this is quite clearly 100% proven it was them, there is no doubt.

 

Just put them down, my tax is wasted enough let alone keeping these cunts living and breathing.

[Webbo]

One sent down for 45 years and the other told he will die in Prison.

 

Why? Why can't we just put both down? It's clear they did it, They even admitted it.

 

I understand you can't bring the death penalty in and use it too often for example of things you can't 100% prove, but this is quite clearly 100% proven it was them, there is no doubt.

 

Just put them down, my tax is wasted enough let alone keeping these cunts living and breathing.

They want to be martyrs, fvck em. Let them rot in prison for 50 years and when everyone has forgotten them in 10 years times and they realise they have thrown away their lives for nothing and they've still got another 40 years of misery that'll be the best punishment of all.

[purpleronnie]

One sent down for 45 years and the other told he will die in Prison.

 

Why? Why can't we just put both down? It's clear they did it, They even admitted it.

 

I understand you can't bring the death penalty in and use it too often for example of things you can't 100% prove, but this is quite clearly 100% proven it was them, there is no doubt.

 

Just put them down, my tax is wasted enough let alone keeping these cunts living and breathing.

 You either have the death penalty or you don't, you can't change the law after each crime is committed.