Guest Bilo Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 Surely we should all be being treated the same though? This is my point, if we aren't, we won't be getting anywhere anytime soon. You can tolerate different views on what we eat and drink, ways we dress etc I don't like the way Halal is killed but I'll even tolerate that if it brings peace. But different banks accounts as well? Come on, if we are going to take 'gambling' that literally crossing the street would be banned for them. I do take your point but it makes good business sense for banks to cater for religious obligations. On a more cynical point, they must love having Pakistani business people paying in tens of thousands and not having to pay any interest on their savings.....
Guest MattP Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 I do take your point but it makes good business sense for banks to cater for religious obligations. On a more cynical point, they must love having Pakistani business people paying in tens of thousands and not having to pay any interest on their savings..... The Pakistani businessman I worked for certainly had no problem setting up a normal account, I used to see his statements
Guest Bilo Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 The Pakistani businessman I worked for certainly had no problem setting up a normal account, I used to see his statements In practice, I imagine a lot of Muslims don't bother with Sharia accounts if they have savings.
Harry - LCFC Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 I think this is where the most important response should be, but in robustly defending what we're doing in Afghanistan. It is the radicalised muslim groups that kill the most muslims around the world. UN stats show that in 2009, 2010 and 2011, the Taliban caused 76%, 75% and 80% of all civilian casualties in Afghanistan. It is the Taliban and other extreme radical islamist groups that kill muslim men, women and children around the world. El Empty mentioned earlier that only a tiny minute percentage of muslims know anything about any terrorist plots and he's right, so there's not much they can do there. However, where I believe they can help is with challenging the narrative put out by the likes of Choudery and Al-Muhajiroun, that British forces are murderers killing muslim men, women and children with impunity. Not withstanding that muslim men and women have served and do serve our armed forces with distinction, but the question is do they agree with foreign policy? I think if you look at our foreign policy, it stands up in Afghanistan. Do British Muslims really support the Taliban? The Taliban are a totalitarian regime that banned girls from education after the age of 8. Would any British muslim really want their daughters or sisters growing up under a regime like that? Of course not, the way of life under the Taliban is I imagine as horrifying to a British muslim as non-muslim. Our forces are attempting to protect a fledgling democracy and battle a Taliban insurgency, an insurgency that we've seen from the figures and reports thinks very little of civilians, killing muslim men, women and children. There was even that horrific shooting of the poor 13 year old schoolgirl for speaking out in support of female education. Yet despite this, the narrative is that British forces murder muslim men, women and children with impunity. If the narrative was challenged, maybe there would be less people being attracted to the extreme elements of the community with less people becoming radicalised. The narrative needs to be the truth that the biggest murderer of muslims in the world today are the extremist groups. Facts and figures bear this out. Thanks for that, that's made me change my mind a little. Now that I think about it it's very rare for us to hear about what good we're doing in Afghanistan from the BBC, the government or the media.
Captain... Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 Surely the 99.99% moderate Muslim community would be just as happy as us and it would be fine. Just read the Mail for the first time in years after you put that link up, this is the sort of thing that fuels racism in normal folk/pub racists. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208204/An-overdraft-Thatll-200-Lloyds-TSB-15-youre-Muslim.html But that is such a non story it is ridiculous, if the sharia account doesn't have funds the transaction is rejected and they get charged £15, if the normal account goes past its overdraft limit they get charged £20 and if remain overdrawn that can rise to £200. You are risking extra fees for the overdraft facility, if you have poor money management and don't want to go overdrawn then get a solo card, or ask for the sharia account. If they say they are only giving that to Muslims then it is racist, but if they created an account free for all to use to meet a need in the market then there is no story and this is the kind of crap the mail is irresponsible for running.
Guest MattP Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 That's not a bad idea actually, Ill try and open a Sharia account next week.
Vlad the Fox Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 £15 for a returned direct debit or £20 a day for up to ten days? Muslim or not find another bank.
Guest Bilo Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 That's not a bad idea actually, Ill try and open a Sharia account next week. It's genuinely not a bad idea if you're shit with money. Just don't expect to accrue any interest. Not that I'm implying you are of course.
DennisNedry Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 Is Choundary's house and everything else entirely taxpayer funded? We have our priorities so so wrong in this country these days. Funding and protecting a hate preacher who's beliefs go against the very country itself, whilst hard working familes struggle to pay the bills. It boggles the mind.
Guest Bilo Posted 31 May 2013 Posted 31 May 2013 Ironic how he's utterly dependent on a system he's bent on destroying. I wonder what the Sharia stance on the workshy is? I can't imagine for a minute it's as generous as that of British society.
Finnegan Posted 1 June 2013 Posted 1 June 2013 Far-Right Extremists Chased Through London by Women Dressed as Badgers http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/473597/20130601/bnp-edl-hate-fascist-badgers.htm lol
Steven Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 It is strange that all these "terrorists" seem to have strong links with "Intelligence" Services. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334476/Woolwich-murder-MI6-connection-Younger-brother-Michael-Adebolajo-paid-thousands-spy-Middle-East.html
Rincewind Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 It is strange that all these "terrorists" seem to have strong links with "Intelligence" Services. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334476/Woolwich-murder-MI6-connection-Younger-brother-Michael-Adebolajo-paid-thousands-spy-Middle-East.html Which groups have the best assassins? andaccess to the best and latest equipment? As they say keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
MooseBreath Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 It is strange that all these "terrorists" seem to have strong links with "Intelligence" Services. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334476/Woolwich-murder-MI6-connection-Younger-brother-Michael-Adebolajo-paid-thousands-spy-Middle-East.html So one of the attacker's sisters is releasing a book, and a brother apparently has all sorts of interesting experiences to share. They're the siblings of someone who saw fit to decapitate a man on a London street, let's believe them without question.
Ross-Kemp Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 I'm have quite a far right view on things in life, however this is ridiculous. These two freaks are not representative of Islam or the Muslim society. I work with a chap at work who has reverted to Islam, he's white and British born. He has really strong beliefs (obviously reverting to Islam) and is an ideal model of what Islam should represent, he's hard working, very friendly and a general good bloke (although he doesn't get involved in the conversations we have about the office totty, although I am working on this) Muslim men are expected to be able to provide for their families through hard work, not state handouts, Muslim men are expected to be peaceful, in-confrontational folk and Muslims in general are supposed to intergrate into the society they live in. Anjem chowdury and the other grizzly looking lunatics do not represent Islam or the Muslim society. Islam is not a threat to the uk or the world, we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush.
Finnegan Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 I'm have quite a far right view on things in life, however this is ridiculous. These two freaks are not representative of Islam or the Muslim society. I work with a chap at work who has reverted to Islam, he's white and British born. He has really strong beliefs (obviously reverting to Islam) and is an ideal model of what Islam should represent, he's hard working, very friendly and a general good bloke (although he doesn't get involved in the conversations we have about the office totty, although I am working on this) Muslim men are expected to be able to provide for their families through hard work, not state handouts, Muslim men are expected to be peaceful, in-confrontational folk and Muslims in general are supposed to intergrate into the society they live in. Anjem chowdury and the other grizzly looking lunatics do not represent Islam or the Muslim society. Islam is not a threat to the uk or the world, we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with you on social topics but yeah, spot on mate.
Bayfox Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 I'm have quite a far right view on things in life, however this is ridiculous. These two freaks are not representative of Islam or the Muslim society. I work with a chap at work who has reverted to Islam, he's white and British born. He has really strong beliefs (obviously reverting to Islam) and is an ideal model of what Islam should represent, he's hard working, very friendly and a general good bloke (although he doesn't get involved in the conversations we have about the office totty, although I am working on this) Muslim men are expected to be able to provide for their families through hard work, not state handouts, Muslim men are expected to be peaceful, in-confrontational folk and Muslims in general are supposed to intergrate into the society they live in. Anjem chowdury and the other grizzly looking lunatics do not represent Islam or the Muslim society. Islam is not a threat to the uk or the world, we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. Maybe we shouldnt however if i was you. I'd keep a close eye on him and if he ever turns up to work with a meat clever. Assuming you dont work in a butchers. I'd run for it.
Ross-Kemp Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 What if an atheist or a Jew turned up with a knife ? Should I be worried then ?
Rincewind Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 What if an atheist or a Jew turned up with a knife ? Should I be worried then ? Maybe if the atheist wants to sacrifice you to RD or the Jew is jealous of your John Thomas.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 These militant atheists can be very dangerous. It's always the atheists who go around killing people they disagree with.
Raw Dykes Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 I'm have quite a far right view on things in life, however this is ridiculous. These two freaks are not representative of Islam or the Muslim society. I work with a chap at work who has reverted to Islam, he's white and British born. He has really strong beliefs (obviously reverting to Islam) and is an ideal model of what Islam should represent, he's hard working, very friendly and a general good bloke (although he doesn't get involved in the conversations we have about the office totty, although I am working on this) Muslim men are expected to be able to provide for their families through hard work, not state handouts, Muslim men are expected to be peaceful, in-confrontational folk and Muslims in general are supposed to intergrate into the society they live in. Anjem chowdury and the other grizzly looking lunatics do not represent Islam or the Muslim society. Islam is not a threat to the uk or the world, we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. I can't help noticing you said revert and not convert. Islam teaches that everyone is born Muslim - obviously, this is not true.
DennisNedry Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 I'm have quite a far right view on things in life, however this is ridiculous. These two freaks are not representative of Islam or the Muslim society. I work with a chap at work who has reverted to Islam, he's white and British born. He has really strong beliefs (obviously reverting to Islam) and is an ideal model of what Islam should represent, he's hard working, very friendly and a general good bloke (although he doesn't get involved in the conversations we have about the office totty, although I am working on this) Muslim men are expected to be able to provide for their families through hard work, not state handouts, Muslim men are expected to be peaceful, in-confrontational folk and Muslims in general are supposed to intergrate into the society they live in. Anjem chowdury and the other grizzly looking lunatics do not represent Islam or the Muslim society. Islam is not a threat to the uk or the world, we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. I see very little evidence of that I'm afraid, although I agree with the majority of your post.
Ross-Kemp Posted 2 June 2013 Posted 2 June 2013 I can't help noticing you said revert and not convert. Islam teaches that everyone is born Muslim - obviously, this is not true.But when someone that is white & British born chooses to follow Islam, it's called reverting, not converting.Useless fact of the day.
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