Gay marriage is officially legal in the UK

[stevelcfc]

Really don't see how people can have any objection to this at all nor for that matter have any issue against two gay people fostering.

[Alf Bentley]

 

It denies a potential child either a father or mother? So can divorce, separation and single parenthood. Should they be illegal?

 

Don't know really, but the old statement of 'I just dont think its right' is for me... So don't marry a man, then; no reason why you should stop those for whom "it is right" having the same rights as you...

 

It has turned what was moral wrong into a civil right, Slavery, burning people at the stake and dunking "witches" were once deemed legal and acceptable; the values of society change over time 

 

and what's stopping people from marrying their immediate family now? Surely that should be made legal because of equality?

Heterosexual marriage didn't lead to men marrying their mothers, sisters and daughters...why would gay marriage lead to blokes wanting to marry their Dads?! Anyway, incest remains illegal!

 

[Guest MattP]

 

 

It denies a potential child either a father or mother? So can divorce, separation and single parenthood. Should they be illegal?

 

Don't know really, but the old statement of 'I just dont think its right' is for me... So don't marry a man, then; no reason why you should stop those for whom "it is right" having the same rights as you...

 

It has turned what was moral wrong into a civil right, Slavery, burning people at the stake and dunking "witches" were once deemed legal and acceptable; the values of society change over time

 

and what's stopping people from marrying their immediate family now? Surely that should be made legal because of equality?

Heterosexual marriage didn't lead to men marrying their mothers, sisters and daughters...why would gay marriage lead to blokes wanting to marry their Dads?! Anyway, incest remains illegal!

 

 

 

Agree with you on the bottom three but not on the top one.

 

Just because we have things like divorce and seperation that cause single parenthood should never be used as an excuse to condone more of it.

 

When it comes to an adoption every single child should first have the chance to have a mother and father figure in their live before being turned over to people like Elton John as a fashion statement.

[theessexfox]

Agree with gay marriage but not gay adoption. 

[Mark_w]

When it comes to an adoption every single child should first have the chance to have a mother and father figure in their live before being turned over to people like Elton John as a fashion statement.

 

Surely finding people who are going to be good parents regardless of gender should be the top priority?

[Guest MattP]

Surely finding people who are going to be good parents regardless of gender should be the top priority?

 

Of course along with finding the child a mother and father figure which every child deserves.

 

When the list of babies to adopt exceeds couples applying I'll consider two gays having one. Until that time I find it disturbing people would deny the most wonderful thing in life to a child just to satisfy their own political views.

[purpleronnie]

But there is already a lack of parents for children who need adopting, all the reports I have read is there is no disadvantages for the child.  I know I would rather see a child be adopted by two loving adults than for that child to be in care.

[theessexfox]

Agree with gay adoption if the alternative is no adoption, however. Just straight couples to have priority. 

[Kitchandro]

I do understand concerns about gay adoption (although my natural view is that they shouldn't be stopped from doing it) but can't see an issue with this.

 

I think homophobic is a very apt term in this case. I get that a straight person would find their arse being penetrated horrible but for some it actually appears to lead to a phobia of it, knowing that other people are doing it.

 

Of course they will be doing that whether they've got a legal right to marry or not so I don't see the problem. Marriage is only really meaningful to those who consider it so anyway.

 

If marriage makes people happy (ha) then let them do it. If only more people were happy the world would be a better place.

[theessexfox]

I've never seen a reason as to why gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry. It's a nonsensical view.

[Mark_w]

Of course along with finding the child a mother and father figure which every child deserves.

 

When the list of babies to adopt exceeds couples applying I'll consider two gays having one. Until that time I find it disturbing people would deny the most wonderful thing in life to a child just to satisfy their own political views.

 

Are you saying that every male/female couple that wants to adopt is going to be better for the child than every male/male & female/female couple?

 

And if that's not what you're saying, why on earth would you want a male/female couple to be prioritized regardless of their suitability?

 

Having two good fathers is better than having one crap father and one crap mother and you'd hope that the people making these decisions would be more concerned with making sure both parents are capable of looking after a child than ensuring that the couple adopting a kid are hetrosexual.

[whoareyaaa]

Don't agree with them being allowed to adopt children, Surely if there gay they wouldn't want Children anyway.

[Guest MattP]

But there is already a lack of parents for children who need adopting, all the reports I have read is there is no disadvantages for the child.  I know I would rather see a child be adopted by two loving adults than for that child to be in care.

 

Figures I read in The Times say we have had couples on waiting lists for 15 years as there aren't enough to adopt.

 

 

Are you saying that every male/female couple that wants to adopt is going to be better for the child than every male/male & female/female couple?

 

And if that's not what you're saying, why on earth would you want a male/female couple to be prioritized regardless of their suitability?

 

 

Because every child should have the chance to have a mother and a father, I can't make that any clearer.

 

Any parents could be bad, I realise that, we have already seen cases of "gay fathers" (what a strange term) abusing the ones have adopted http://news.sky.com/story/1111016/adopted-boy-sexually-abused-by-gay-fathers

 

Here's a question for you.

 

You have two couples, they are both absolutely 100% perfect.

 

One couple is a male and a female, one is two males, who do you hand the child to?

[Mark_w]

Figures I read in The Times say we have had couples on waiting lists for 15 years as there aren't enough to adopt.

 

 

 

Because every child should have the chance to have a mother and a father, I can't make that any clearer.

 

Any parents could be bad, I realise that, we have already seen cases of "gay fathers" (what a strange term) abusing the ones have adopted http://news.sky.com/story/1111016/adopted-boy-sexually-abused-by-gay-fathers

 

Here's a question for you.

 

You have two couples, they are both absolutely 100% perfect.

 

One couple is a male and a female, one is two males, who do you hand the child to?

 

If they're both 100% perfect then I frankly don't give a shit which one they hand the child to.

[Guest MattP]

If they're both 100% perfect then I frankly don't give a shit which one they hand the child to.

 

I think that's dreadful to be quite frank.

 

Having a mother and a father figure in your life is the most wonderful thing any child have, you would probably deny them that.

 

Same question.

 

It's a little girl?

[Mark_w]

I think that's dreadful to be quite frank.

 

Having a mother and a father figure in your life is the most wonderful thing any child have, you would probably deny them that.

 

Same question.

 

It's a little girl?

 

Again if they're great parents then I really don't care.

 

The point is that some heterosexual couples aren't going to make good parents and some homosexual couples are going to make good parents. Now you can say that by giving a child to the homosexual couple you'd be 'denying them a mother and father figure' but I think denying them a good upbringing with parents who are going to care for them is a whole lot worse.

[Finnegan]

Interesting you say mother and father FIGURE, not mother and father.

Can a lesbian woman not play the conventional father role? Can a gay man not be a nurturing mother figure? I'm not sure where physical genitalia comes in when it comes to raising a child or being a good influence.

[Guest MattP]

Again if they're great parents then I really don't care.

 

The point is that some heterosexual couples aren't going to make good parents and some homosexual couples are going to make good parents. Now you can say that by giving a child to the homosexual couple you'd be 'denying them a mother and father figure' but I think denying them a good upbringing with parents who are going to care for them is a whole lot worse.

 

Irrelevant, I've stated they are both perfect and I wanted you to make the choice. We'll have to agree to disagree but I think it's a really fcuked up thing to do to a kid in the situation I've described.

Interesting you say mother and father FIGURE, not mother and father.

Can a lesbian woman not play the conventional father role? Can a gay man not be a nurturing mother figure? I'm not sure where physical genitalia comes in when it comes to raising a child or being a good influence.

 

I doubt it, A gay man can't really explain to his daughter how his first period felt as far as I'm aware.

 

Throw away sex/upbringing/genitalia if you want but it's a big part of a childs upbringing, ten times more so for a girl.

 

You wouldn't call a Giraffe to bring up a Hippo.

[Mark_w]

Irrelevant, I've stated they are both perfect and I wanted to make the choice. We'll have to agree to disagree but I think it's a really fcuked up thing to do to a kid in the situation I've described.

 

How is it irrelevant when you've also said that a male/female couple looking to adopt should always be prioritized?

[Kitchandro]

Figures I read in The Times say we have had couples on waiting lists for 15 years as there aren't enough to adopt.

 

 

 

Because every child should have the chance to have a mother and a father, I can't make that any clearer.

 

Any parents could be bad, I realise that, we have already seen cases of "gay fathers" (what a strange term) abusing the ones have adopted http://news.sky.com/story/1111016/adopted-boy-sexually-abused-by-gay-fathers

 

Here's a question for you.

 

You have two couples, they are both absolutely 100% perfect.

 

One couple is a male and a female, one is two males, who do you hand the child to?

 

In that case I would give it to the straight couple. It's just not worth the risk of the child being severely bullied or just mentally unstable.

 

I do think gays should have the right to a child, but if I had to give my child up for example, I wouldn't be too keen on it being raised by them if I could help it.

[Guest MattP]

How is it irrelevant when you've also said that a male/female couple looking to adopt should always be prioritized?

 

I mean in relevance to the question where both couples are perfect.

 

I can understand the argument of giving the child to a gay couple if you genuinely think they are a better option than the hetrosexual one.

 

If hypothetically there is no difference and someone wouldn't choose the option of giving the child a normal family with a Mum and Dad over two of the same them I'm just left baffled.

[Charl91]

Yeah, I do think heterosexual couples should be given priority over adoption. After all, I have more sympathy for a couple who can't conceive then a gay couple who can't have kids because they're gay.

 

But to be honest, if it's a choice between a kid not being adopted, or being adopted by a homosexual couple, then it's a no brainer. I'm sure having no parent figures for their entire childhood would be a lot more damaging emotionally than having two fathers.

[Guest MattP]

In that case I would give it to the straight couple. It's just not worth the risk of the child being severely bullied or just mentally unstable.

 

I do think gays should have the right to a child, but if I had to give my child up for example, I wouldn't be too keen on it being raised by them if I could help it.

 

I'd imagine the vast majority of people would feel the same.

 

Wonder if like in the US when people actively seek out the potential parents they would actually go for a gay couple?

[Mark_w]

I can understand the argument of giving the child to a gay couple if you genuinely think they are a better option than the hetrosexual one.

 

When the list of babies to adopt exceeds couples applying I'll consider two gays having one.

 

 

 

If hypothetically there is no difference and someone wouldn't choose the option of giving the child a normal family with a Mum and Dad over two of the same them I'm just left baffled.

 

You said that both couples are '100% perfect' though... if they're both perfect it shouldn't matter what gender they are.

 

As you say, it's probably best to agree to disagree. But I really can't understand where you're coming from with regards to the first two quotes, and I don't see why you'd be baffled by the suggestion that someone wouldn't mind which couple adopted a child if both couples are equally suited to the job (which is how the original question was worded).

[stevelcfc]

Irrelevant, I've stated they are both perfect and I wanted you to make the choice. We'll have to agree to disagree but I think it's a really fcuked up thing to do to a kid in the situation I've described.

 

I doubt it, A gay man can't really explain to his daughter how his first period felt as far as I'm aware.

 

Throw away sex/upbringing/genitalia if you want but it's a big part of a childs upbringing, ten times more so for a girl.

 

You wouldn't call a Giraffe to bring up a Hippo.

 

Do you really believe a girl is going to sit with their 'mum' and have a convo about their periods and what it feels like? Its that same thing as you sitting down with you dad and talking about how much splooge you cough up or whipping out a ruler and measuring up against him, which I personally doubt did or even considered.