Gay marriage is officially legal in the UK

[Guest MattP]

The majority of of cases involving child abuse shows that the culprit is closely related to the victim. Father or Mother or another close relative.

 

Well lets try and level this up a bit then.

[MooseBreath]

Poor kids, having two loving parents must be difficult. Yeah, they're definitely martyrs.

Yep, that'll work in the playground when all the other kids with normal parents start saying how Sebastian's dads like bumming each other. Sebastian will definitely be able to understand it from the perspective of an adult, surely. Kids are basically adults afterall. I don't know why we don't just let them grow up on their own.

[Charl91]

Yep, that'll work in the playground when all the other kids with normal parents start saying how Sebastian's dads like bumming each other. Sebastian will definitely be able to understand it from the perspective of an adult, surely. Kids are basically adults afterall. I don't know why we don't just let them grow up on their own.

 

In that case, we should ban kids from wearing braces or glasses, 'cus I guess they might get bullied on the playground about it.

 

I doubt they'll care. My generation is a lot less homophobic then yours. I guess the next generation will care even less.

[MooseBreath]

In that case, we should ban kids from wearing braces or glasses, 'cus I guess they might get bullied on the playground about it.

I doubt they'll care. My generation is a lot less homophobic then yours. I guess the next generation will care even less.

Yeah because a common medical requirement is perfectly comparable to forcing a kid to live with having two gay dads.

You and the other liberals still think this is about homophobia? As if by saying you support gay adoption you're displaying how morally advanced you are? You're idiots. Clueless idiots. It has nothing to do with homophobia.

[Rincewind]

I think the key word in Mooses post is 'Normal' Once that is disregarded when referring to parents the sex will not matter. In fact the children could be more popular because the other kids will think them special and want to know all the secrets.

 

During the comedy Festival I went to see a comedian that had CP. He said he went to a special school and the kids used to be bullied according to how near normal you were so the ones with the less severe disability used to be picked on more.

So kids are kids there will be the bullies and the bullied.

[Guest MattP]

In fact the children could be more popular because the other kids will think them special and want to know all the secrets.

 

During the comedy Festival I went to see a comedian that had CP. He said he went to a special school and the kids used to be bullied according to how near normal you were so the ones with the less severe disability used to be picked on more.

So kids are kids there will be the bullies and the bullied.

 

 

Fcuking Hell, that's me done for the night

[Mike Oxlong]

In fact the children could be more popular because the other kids will think them special and want to know all the secrets.

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Not sure what you're getting at here Ken, but it doesn't sound like the most persuasive argument that could be advanced on behalf of the pro lobby.

[Guest Bilo]

Finnegan and LargeAl can be heard screaming in pure joy (and, minutes later, pain in the case of Finnegan as Al rods his anus with his thick shaft).

 

 

 

You're so far in the closet you've had adventures in Narnia.

[Rincewind]

Trying to look at the positive side.

[Monk]

So much delusion in this thread!

[Jordan]

Yeah because a common medical requirement is perfectly comparable to forcing a kid to live with having two gay dads.

You and the other liberals still think this is about homophobia? As if by saying you support gay adoption you're displaying how morally advanced you are? You're idiots. Clueless idiots. It has nothing to do with homophobia.

So, if it's not about homophobia, what is it about? Do you have any proof to support your claims, or are you--as you put it--"clueless" yourself?

[Rincewind]

So much delusion in this thread!

 

 

sometimes it helps to  hide your worries.

 

[MooseBreath]

So, if it's not about homophobia, what is it about? Do you have any proof to support your claims, or are you--as you put it--"clueless" yourself?

It's about the wellbeing of the children. I would have hoped that would be obvious. Do I have any proof to support my claim that kids adopted by gay parents are at increased risk of suffering unnecessarily? No. Do you have any proof that they aren't?

It's basic logic as far as I can see. You want to avoid anything abnormal. Two gay dads is abnormal, and will likely always be abnormal, one because it is not natural, and two because they will always be in a distinct minority.

There seems to be two viewpoints coming across in this thread. One is pro-gay adoption on the grounds that gay rights are the most important factor, and to focus on anything else must be homophobic. The other, the one which I suscribe to, is anti gay adoption on the grounds that the wellbeing of the child is the most important factor, and to focus on anything else is, frankly, quite disgraceful.

[Rincewind]

[Charl91]

Yeah because a common medical requirement is perfectly comparable to forcing a kid to live with having two gay dads.

You and the other liberals still think this is about homophobia? As if by saying you support gay adoption you're displaying how morally advanced you are? You're idiots. Clueless idiots. It has nothing to do with homophobia.

 

How is kids bullying other kids about having gay parents not homophobia?

[MooseBreath]

How is kids bullying other kids about having gay parents not homophobia?

Do you think kids really perform adult level analysis on what they bully each other about, or do they just pick up on differences?

[Harry - LCFC]

The 'difficulties' a child with two gay parents faces is not enough to deny that couple the right to adopt. There are plenty of other difficulties that children might have to face, for example poverty is surely a far greater barrier to a child's success yet I very much doubt that anyone would deny a poorer couple the opportunity to adopt (or indeed simply having children of their own).

 

I also think it's reasonable to suggest that the stigma against gay couples will fall away over time as homosexuality becomes more accepted in society.

 

 

It's basic logic as far as I can see. You want to avoid anything abnormal. Two gay dads is abnormal, and will likely always be abnormal, one because it is not natural, and two because they will always be in a distinct minority.

 

I take issue with your use of the word 'abnormal' - which implies there's something wrong with it - the term is actually 'unusual.' Just because a gay couple is uncommon and in a minority does not make them abnormal. What about ethnic minorities? They're uncommon so are they also abnormal? No, they're just human beings like the rest of us, there's nothing wrong with them and there's nothing wrong with being gay.

 

My real problem though is that, despite you're insistence that this debate is not about homophobia, you come across as rather homophobic to me. "It is not natural" suggests that you have a problem with homosexuality and quite a big problem at that. If that's what you think of them then I wouldn't have thought you'd be willing to accept them in society. They don't behave 'naturally' like normal human beings after all so how can they possibly integrate with the rest of us?

[Charl91]

Do you think kids really perform adult level analysis on what they bully each other about, or do they just pick up on differences?

 

So really, it's irrelevant then, because kids are always going to have some differences to each other. If it's not about that, they'll make up some other reason to bully each other.

 

You've just invalidated your own argument there.

[Jordan]

It's about the wellbeing of the children. I would have hoped that would be obvious. Do I have any proof to support my claim that kids adopted by gay parents are at increased risk of suffering unnecessarily? No. Do you have any proof that they aren't?

It's basic logic as far as I can see. You want to avoid anything abnormal. Two gay dads is abnormal, and will likely always be abnormal, one because it is not natural, and two because they will always be in a distinct minority.

There seems to be two viewpoints coming across in this thread. One is pro-gay adoption on the grounds that gay rights are the most important factor, and to focus on anything else must be homophobic. The other, the one which I suscribe to, is anti gay adoption on the grounds that the wellbeing of the child is the most important factor, and to focus on anything else is, frankly, quite disgraceful.

As you say yourself, we are talking about a rather small subset of the population, so there isn't much in the way of large-scale studies to analyze the effects of growing up in a household with two parents of the same sex. The largest study done on this topic, though, seems to show that the kids are all right in same-sex-parent households.

The "normal" family was once an extended family with several children where the fathers provide and mothers nurture. Now, the nuclear family is considered the norm, birth rates have fallen, and it is more likely that households with children have two working parents than just one breadwinner.

Of course, throughout all of this, the unit of mother-father-children has mostly been at the core of the concept of family. But even that isn't always the case today, as single-family households are becoming relatively more prevalent than they were with each passing generation. Children in single-family households used to be teased a lot, too, but I'd guess most kids today think a "bastard" is someone that officiates a football match rather than, say, a fatherless child.

Concerns about the well-being of children should of course be the highest priority when we're talking about adoption. However, concerns about the well-being of children should be well-founded. In the past, it was deemed OK for children to spend all day working in factories and that it wouldn't stunt their development or be unhealthy for them. Conventional wisdom once had it that children would suffer if mothers left the home to work. It was supposed to be weird for children if they were adopted by parents of a different race, and that those children were going to be teased.

If a gay couple can or are as capable of being good parents as a heterosexual couple, then this matter does become a gay-rights issue. The way I see it, "think about the children" is thrown around often by an anti-gay crowd that's really not concerned with children's well-being at all; they will use that blanket argument as a smokescreen to mask what really is an anti-gay agenda. That crowd has no interest in learning how families with gay parents can be a successful and healthy variation of the nuclear family because they think homosexuality is immoral and wrong, and anything related to it must be as well.

[Kitchandro]

That's the most important thing ken. Fvck the wellbeing of the kids, there's a couple of gay blokes who might be mildly offended. As a society we need to move on, and the best way to do that is to use kids as martyrs.

 

To be fair it's not about gays being offended, it's about them being prevented from doing things that will make them happy, i.e. getting married and having children.

 

I can see it from both sides. My overwhelming gut feeling though is that you shouldn't stop people having equal choices because there's a chance something bad might happen. A child may of course have gay parents and grow up to be a healthy, happy, well-rounded adult, regardless of whether they were teased at school.

[Charl91]

Don't get me wrong, I can see some arguments against gay adoption. However "some kids might make fun of other kids in school" isn't one of them.

[ozleicester]

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[SOCCERROO FOX]

Hope Australia follow suit

[ozleicester]

Hope Australia follow suit

 

Embarrassing to be a backward country on these type of decisions - 64% of Australians support gay marriage and our politicians are incapable of standing up for what is right.

[Shoe Seller]

I'm not one of those gays - but I say let them get on with whatever they want to do. What makes me laugh is that gays are always presented in the media as well preened, good looking, athletic guys.

 

I know 5 or 6 gays (we've never hooked up or anything although being honest, I've had plenty of offers) and none of them are above about a 6/10 on the old 'attractiveness' scale.

 

Also the myth about gays generally having superior hygiene and dress sense is in my experience, exactly that; a myth.

 

ps agreed on the point about the outrage if we launched straight pride march or straight olympics or straight pubs. There are even GAY TV channels. I look forward to the launch of straight TV.