Guest MattP Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Sat here peeling potatoes at the minute anyway, I'm probably half way there to gay adoption. Do you really believe a girl is going to sit with their 'mum' and have a convo about their periods and what it feels like? Its that same thing as you sitting down with you dad and talking about how much splooge you cough up or whipping out a ruler and measuring up against him, which I personally doubt did or even considered. Asked my Dad about my cock and it's actions yeah, didn't you?
Mike Oxlong Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Asked my Dad about my cock and it's actions yeah, didn't you? Hoping he didn't ask your dad!
Kitchandro Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 You said that both couples are '100% perfect' though... if they're both perfect it shouldn't matter what gender they are. As you say, it's probably best to agree to disagree. But I really can't understand where you're coming from with regards to the first two quotes, and I don't see why you'd be baffled by the suggestion that someone wouldn't mind which couple adopted a child if both couples are equally suited to the job (which is how the original question was worded). Both couples would be 'perfect' but the gay one would automatically be more of a risk because they are a gay couple. There is no woman involved and the stigma attached to being gay could be a problem. Their personalities might be 'perfect' but that would naturally make things different and potentially difficult.
Finnegan Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Irrelevant, I've stated they are both perfect and I wanted you to make the choice. We'll have to agree to disagree but I think it's a really fcuked up thing to do to a kid in the situation I've described. I doubt it, A gay man can't really explain to his daughter how his first period felt as far as I'm aware. Throw away sex/upbringing/genitalia if you want but it's a big part of a childs upbringing, ten times more so for a girl. You wouldn't call a Giraffe to bring up a Hippo. I never had "the talk" from my dad, I grew up reasonably certain that - and many other parenting cliches - only really happened on TV. I appreciate puberty is a tad more alarming for girls but then sexual education these days is so immensely thorough in schools and with GPs, nurses, counsellors and the internet all readily available to kids, I'm pretty sure girls can survive without a mother. I'm sure a lot of girls grow up just fine with a single dad. Yet again, 99% of the arguments against gay adoption are just that it isn't the perfect scenario. "Well they might be okay at it but a male/female couple who were equally good parents would be better!" Yada, yada. Great. The whole point of adoption is it already is imperfect. There's plenty of kids still in care and it'd be infinitely better for them to be with loving homosexual parents than to be in the system.
Kitchandro Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Do you really believe a girl is going to sit with their 'mum' and have a convo about their periods and what it feels like? Its that same thing as you sitting down with you dad and talking about how much splooge you cough up or whipping out a ruler and measuring up against him, which I personally doubt did or even considered. I do believe that's quite common. That's a woman thing, women are very different to men in the kind of things they discuss.
stevelcfc Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Sat here peeling potatoes at the minute anyway, I'm probably half way there to gay adoption. Asked my Dad about my cock and it's actions yeah, didn't you? Nope, I didn't. Kids are getting sex education from the age of 9, they will have mates which they can talk to, every school has a nurse, there is on-line stuff as well, there is no real need to ask in today's world. Besides just because your male, doesn't immediately mean you can explain what goes on, yes, you can't give personal experience as to what you went through, but there are plenty of ways for the child to get the advise or answer they want or are after.
MooseBreath Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 For sure kids of gay 'parents' can and will turn out to be absolutely fine. In the same way as kids born disabled can and do turn out to be happy and productive members of society. Does that mean I'm in favour of proactively disabling unborn kids? No.
Finnegan Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 For sure kids of gay 'parents' can and will turn out to be absolutely fine. In the same way as kids born disabled can and do turn out to be happy and productive members of society. Does that mean I'm in favour of proactively disabling unborn kids? No. lol !!
stevelcfc Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 I do believe that's quite common. That's a woman thing, women are very different to men in the kind of things they discuss. For some, maybe, but certainly not everyone, single parent kids don't have that opportunity and have to get the info else where, but it is readily available to them from many sources. I just don' see how it is really an argument to prevent gay couples from fostering.
FuriousFox46 Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 It denies a potential child either a father or mother? Don't know really, but the old statement of 'I just dont think its right' is for me... It has turned what was moral wrong into a civil right, and what's stopping people from marrying their immediate family now? Surely that should be made legal because of equality? He's right. It's a slippery slope. It's just like when women won the right to vote and now pigeons can too...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Finnegan only bums ethnic minority types, Al is waaaay too English for him. Cough Scottish
kingfox Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Hope the guys across the road from me invite me to their wedding.
Rincewind Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 I doubt that the scenario of a same sex couple and different sex parents being perfect would come up very often.if at all. We are talking across the country which would include many local adoption care authorities so the prospective parents would chosen by area and the same sex applicants would be rare.
FuriousFox46 Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 My god! Can someone explain to me how a person's genitalia affects their ability as a parent and caregiver? Unbelievable.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Can couples of a different race to an adoptee now adopt? If not then the gay adoption is bang out of order if it takes precedence
Kitchandro Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 For some, maybe, but certainly not everyone, single parent kids don't have that opportunity and have to get the info else where, but it is readily available to them from many sources. I just don' see how it is really an argument to prevent gay couples from fostering. I don't think they should be prevented, I would just be more comfortable knowing a child has a mother and father rather than 2 fathers, 2 mothers, no fathers or no mothers. I don't think single parents should be prevented from having kids either but again, I'd prefer it if the child had 2 parents.
Guest MattP Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 My god! Can someone explain to me how a person's genitalia affects their ability as a parent and caregiver? Unbelievable. It doesn't, it affect the advice you could give in those roles.
Mark_w Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Matt do you think that if you had no partner you wouldn't be capable of bringing up a girl? Do you think that a male/male couple should be able to adopt a boy like any male/female couple could? Genuinely interested.
FuriousFox46 Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 It doesn't, it affect the advice you could give in those roles. Not necessarily.
Guest MattP Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 Matt do you think that if you had no partner you wouldn't be capable of bringing up a girl? Do you think that a male/male couple should be able to adopt a boy like any male/female couple could? Genuinely interested. I'd find it a huge challenge I'm sure, I'd certainly try as much as possible to bring in my mother in as a female role model for her than she could talk to about all those sort of things. Like I've said, I can understand the argument if it's no parents oor gay parents, ahead of a normal couple, no way. Not necessarily. How was your first period?
theessexfox Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 I'd find it a huge challenge I'm sure, I'd certainly try as much as possible to bring in my mother in as a female role model for her than she could talk to about all those sort of things. Like I've said, I can understand the argument if it's no parents oor gay parents, ahead of a normal couple, no way. How was your first period? Careful. Agree with the point though, straight couples should take priority.
Shoe Seller Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 You wouldn't call a Giraffe to bring up a Hippo. You're the BBC Commissioning guy I sent my comedy sketch idea to and I claim my £5.
Finnegan Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 How was your first period? Thoroughly stressful but I had spherical to help me through the difficult time with words of wisdom and experience.
Mike Oxlong Posted 17 July 2013 Posted 17 July 2013 I'm confused. So camp straight men should be allowed to parent on the basis that they are in possession of a trouser sausage and butch straight women because, despite their ability to kick your arse in an arm wrestle and thrash you in a yard of ale contest, they nonetheless possess a vajayjay? Simples!
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