The Doctor Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 you failed to mention administration, debts unpaid, league one, manager musical chairs, and the best example of how not to run a football club. I don't remember when any of those except league one were on-the-pitch, and we've spent far less time in the 3rd and 4th tiers than you have. Just accept it: success on the pitch: we're bigger. Fan-base: we're bigger. Facilities: we're bigger. The list goes on - we may not be mahoosive, but we're comfortably bigger than your club, you window-licking cuntbubble.
Moosedog Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 You only get the home gate and nothing from away games. You seem to forget that there are sponsorship deals ie shirt sponsor, Watford have two shirt sponsors 138 on the front and Football manager on the back they have also sold their catering rights for 2m a year for the next 10 years. Also they received all the gate receipts from Wembley after expenses the winning team historically give their share to the loser. The Season ticket sales have increased by 2000 to 11000 for next season so average gate should increase to at least 15000. The players for Udinese and Granada are not on big money £5000 a week max, I am certain that your wage bill will be a lot higher than Watford next season
Tielemans63 Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 You only get the home gate and nothing from away games. You seem to forget that there are sponsorship deals ie shirt sponsor, Watford have two shirt sponsors 138 on the front and Football manager on the back they have also sold their catering rights for 2m a year for the next 10 years. Also they received all the gate receipts from Wembley after expenses the winning team historically give their share to the loser. The Season ticket sales have increased by 2000 to 11000 for next season so average gate should increase to at least 15000. The players for Udinese and Granada are not on big money £5000 a week max, I am certain that your wage bill will be a lot higher than Watford next season 15000 average gate? Watch out Barca.
superhorns Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 I don't remember when any of those except league one were on-the-pitch, and we've spent far less time in the 3rd and 4th tiers than you have. Just accept it: success on the pitch: we're bigger. Fan-base: we're bigger. Facilities: we're bigger. The list goes on - we may not be mahoosive, but we're comfortably bigger than your club, you window-licking cuntbubble. wages bill - your bigger, debt - your bigger, yearly disappointment - your bigger, hoof ball - your bigger, overpaid useless players - your bigger. Threat of sanctions by non compliance with FFP rules - definitely yours I'm afraid. Plonker
AKCJ Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 wages bill - your bigger, debt - your bigger, yearly disappointment - your bigger, hoof ball - your bigger, overpaid useless players - your bigger. Threat of sanctions by non compliance with FFP rules - definitely yours I'm afraid. Plonker 'Hoofball - your bigger'. Get off your high horse kid. Watford are known for being a hoofball team. You've only ever experienced success through it you simpleton.
KFS Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 wages bill - your bigger, debt - your bigger, yearly disappointment - your bigger, hoof ball - your bigger, overpaid useless players - your bigger. Threat of sanctions by non compliance with FFP rules - definitely yours I'm afraid. Plonker We're just tucked inside our FFP bracket. Good to see Lanzarote treated you well, obviously came back refreshed and ready to take on your new five year plan for that increasing profitable business of yours and not waste time on a forum dedicated to a team you don't support.Thread, of course dedicated to you- but have you seen most other forums dedicated to Champ clubs moaning about your lot? Time is of the essence! Crack on boys, you've got a few to prove wrong I'm afraid!
superhorns Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 'Hoofball - your bigger'. Get off your high horse kid. Watford are known for being a hoofball team. You've only ever experienced success through it you simpleton. I think you guys comfortably took over that tag during the second half of last season according to your own supporters.
AKCJ Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 I think you guys comfortably took over that tag during the second half of last season according to your own supporters. Give up while you're comfortably behind.
linemakers Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Time to go to their academy and look to see if there's any players we fancy taking
superhorns Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 We're just tucked inside our FFP bracket. Good to see Lanzarote treated you well, obviously came back refreshed and ready to take on your new five year plan for that increasing profitable business of yours and not waste time on a forum dedicated to a team you don't support. Thread, of course dedicated to you- but have you seen most other forums dedicated to Champ clubs moaning about your lot? Time is of the essence! Crack on boys, you've got a few to prove wrong I'm afraid! Hi Stevie boy, Your right great holiday but not home till 3.00 a.m. so a bit grumpy. Not concerned with a few jealous jibes from other forums, quite understandable given the general lack of knowledge regarding WFC and our great signings. I obviously support the hornets but would like LCFC to be promoted along with us this year.
Moosedog Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 15000 average gate? Watch out Barca. Correct me if I'm wrong but Barca aint in the Championship, but we have a number of players that have played against them. By the way Udinese's average gate is similar to Watfords and they seem to be doing Ok
Moosedog Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Time to go to their academy and look to see if there's any players we fancy taking Any top kids coming through could be sign to Udinese to stop the top clubs taking them for next to nothing
KFS Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Hi Stevie boy, Your right great holiday but not home till 3.00 a.m. so a bit grumpy. Not concerned with a few jealous jibes from other forums, quite understandable given the general lack of knowledge regarding WFC and our great signings. I obviously support the hornets but would like LCFC to be promoted along with us this year. You're such a pratt but you never fail to make me smile
Tielemans63 Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Correct me if I'm wrong but Barca aint in the Championship, but we have a number of players that have played against them. By the way Udinese's average gate is similar to Watfords and they seem to be doing Ok Ha! If having a similar attendance to your parent club is good enough for you then I'm pleased for you.
superhorns Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 You're such a pratt but you never fail to make me smile I bet you don't smile when all those holidaymakers park outside your squat in Folkestone. Why don't you set 'your dog on a string' on them? I bet you don't smile when all those holidaymakers park outside your squat in Folkestone. Why don't you set 'your dog on a string' on them? I told you I was grumpy!!!
KFS Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 I bet you don't smile when all those holidaymakers park outside your squat in Folkestone. Why don't you set 'your dog on a string' on them? I told you I was grumpy!!! That's what you get when you fly Ryanair you tight bastard!
Harry - LCFC Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 The bit in bold is where you are mistaken. These players are signing permanent contracts with Watford. There is nothing that forces them to do that, any more than they could be ordered to sign a contract with Leicester City FC. The ones that are signing on want to sign on. Good point, I stand corrected on that one. But why is that? Beforehand you had a fairly average squad to put it bluntly, a mid table team, doesn't sound a great option. Why would a player looking to play in the top division go there? It just doesn't make sense does it? These players knew before signing that the club would continue to receive players who are of PL standard. It had been pre-agreed between the Pozzo clubs that a bunch of players would be shipped over and those players of course knew about that the idea, otherwise they wouldn't have gone to a mid table standard team. This transfer plan was only possible due to co-ownership, where the 'separate' clubs could set out a transfer plan that everyone knew about. There's actually a name for this behaviour - collusion - and it's illegal on the basis that it distorts the competition.
Moosedog Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Ha! If having a similar attendance to your parent club is good enough for you then I'm pleased for you. Having a much large attendance doesn't appear to have benefited your team up
Tielemans63 Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Having a much large attendance doesn't appear to have benefited your team up Nope. Our club has underperformed and I've never said it didn't. What makes me laugh is Watfinese fans thinking its brilliant that they're a glorified feeder club and when one of your boasts is that your average attendance 'might reach 15,000' this season that just sounds pathetic. Anyway, when all is said and done, we lost in the playoffs and so did you so neither team can really laud it over the other in that respect.
superhorns Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 That's what you get when you fly Ryanair you tight bastard! Hi Stevie boy Funnily enough that is what my wife calls me. Thomson just as bad - stuffed in like sardines on large plane. The trouble is they let all sorts of bods into 5 star hotels nowadays, I must look for something superior next time. Interestingly I met a tame Leeds supporter who was quite well behaved, although he was on his honeymoon. He could even use a knife & fork.
Arakel Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 You may have released 7 players, but you've still got a 28 man squad to pay who were on serie A wages, while your ticket sales - well... Average attendance: 13453. Assume averaging £20 a ticket: £269,060 per match. 23 home matches in a season: £6,188,380. Assume you take 2.5k everywhere (and you're nowhere near that well backed) at again £20 a ticket: another 50,000 per match: 23 away games: £1.15m. That's roughly £7.3m from ticket sales per year (bit more from cups, but that is incredibly fluid - depends on how far you get, who you draw etc.) and a weekly wage budget of 141k. Or 7 Di Natale's. In 2011 the average championship wage was 4k p/w. Factor in inflation and that's 4.1k. So - 28 players at an average 4.1k wage: 115k p/w on players. Leaving 26k to cover manager, coaching staff, scouts, groundsmen, match day staff, ticket office/club shop staff... TV money, sponsorship, players sold, merchandise...it's not just about gates. We also just secured a long term contract with caterers for an up front payment of 18 million or so, which counts as turnover. And how much debt do you have compared to us? We're more than fine on the wages/turnover front, much more so than you are. If your point is that we have a naturally lower ceiling, I agree. We're just spending what we have much more frugally, and not shelling out massive wages on the likes of Beckford. Erm, not really - it came in before FPP and was essentially a way to maximise exposure for King Power. It provides us with an extra method of money from the chairmen now, but that wasn't the original intent And the intent behind moving players on loan last season/perms this season isn't about avoiding FFP either. It's about maximising transfer return and creating a sustainable club that is established in the Premier League. We would have signed most of last year's loans last year had it not been for an actual embargo we were under last summer, which precluded player movement until the last minute. At that point, it was easier to do season loans. We paid the wages of every player we had on loan last year from Granada/Udinese, straight from the mouth of our Chief Exec. I don't know about Chalobah/Briggs, but I'm sure we didn't get them for free. Ultimately, we're in great hands, our owners are here for the long term, and in the next 10 years the club's profile is going to increase dramatically. Every single club in the Championship would have taken that. Every single one
Guy1960 Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 Good point, I stand corrected on that one. But why is that? Beforehand you had a fairly average squad to put it bluntly, a mid table team, doesn't sound a great option. Why would a player looking to play in the top division go there? It just doesn't make sense does it? These players knew before signing that the club would continue to receive players who are of PL standard. It had been pre-agreed between the Pozzo clubs that a bunch of players would be shipped over and those players of course knew about that the idea, otherwise they wouldn't have gone to a mid table standard team. This transfer plan was only possible due to co-ownership, where the 'separate' clubs could set out a transfer plan that everyone knew about. There's actually a name for this behaviour - collusion - and it's illegal on the basis that it distorts the competition. So do you really believe the championship is fair? If you do you're living in cloud cuckoo land
Dan Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 The Pozzo's work in a completely different way to any other owner in the world, as far as I know. There is no Udinese B or C. In fact, Udinese players are not even Udinese players. They are the Pozzo's players. The Pozzo's invest a massive amount of money each year into their scouting system, so they can buy the best talent at the lowest price, and then develop them and sell them for the highest price. But the problem was that some players suited Spanish football, or English football; they were limiting who they could buy (and wasting their scouting money) as some didnt suit Italian football. So now they have bought a club in each country, with players to be exchanged around to the club which will best suit their development (whilst keeping a core of local players at each club so that they not lose our identity). You may call them handouts, but they have been extensively scouted and bought cheaply when young, and played in an environment with good football so they can move on to the next level. Pretty f**king clever eh. I don't think there's a single person who's disputing the success of the system, I'm strongly disputing the fact the majority of this league has got to cut back in their spending whilst Watford are effectively allowed to do everything on the free - whilst ending up with the leagues best side. The total irony is they call it Financial 'Fair' Play.
Arakel Posted 19 July 2013 Posted 19 July 2013 What makes me laugh is Watfinese fans thinking its brilliant that they're a glorified feeder club and when one of your boasts is that your average attendance 'might reach 15,000' this season that just sounds pathetic. Approx population of Leicester: 800,000 Approx population of Watford: 90,000 Our attendance to population ratio is significantly higher than yours, not to mention we have this small place called London right on our doorstep. We simply don't have a huge cachement area to draw from, and the only other factor that increases fanbase, glory hunting, is obviously a no-go historically. Mock our attendances all you like, but it shows complete ignorance of the reality of the club. We're actually very well supported considering the size of the town. The glorified feeder club comment is hilarious. You really have no idea what's going on.
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