Watford are a joke

[reids]

Ah, this old 'sustainable' argument again. What you're actually doing is passing the costs on to someone else, Udinese (and others) pay these prices by not getting the fee they should be getting for their players. But why would Udinese do this? Why wouldn't they want the payments that selling their players?

 

Udinese aren't acting as a seperate club in their own interests, they're acting in your favour - But why? Why would a club go out of its way to help another? Because the Pozzos own them and are happy to sell players for free as it'll get Watford into the richness of the PL which is of greater benefit to them.

 

Have no doubt about it, these players have to be paid for even if it isn't you who pays. This is not that dissimilar to what we did I'm afraid. Borrowing money (getting Udinese to take the hit) to pay for players. It's all the same really, not paying fees that you should be paying. The only difference is that you never have to give that money back so you're strategy is actually less fair than ours as there's no punishment further down the line!

 

 

PS - Sorry for the essay but this topic infuriates me like no other. I won't stand by while people try to justify this and pretend its fair when I know otherwise.

But Udinese are always way into profit, therefore complying with FFP. Watford are paying the wages, which actually aren't much as everyone seems to think:

http://www.calcioblog.it/post/51729/la-graduatoria-stipendi-della-serie-a-20122013-tutti-gli-ingaggi-dei-giocatori

DI NATALE (a) 1,3

BENATIA (d) 0,9

DOMIZZI (d) 0,6

PINZI © 0,6

ARMERO © 0,5

BARRETO (a) 0,5

LAZZARI © 0,5

MAICOSUEL © 0,5

PASQUALE (d) 0,5

BASTA (d) 0,4

BRKIC (p) 0,4

CODA (d) 0,4

DANILO (d) 0,4

WILLIANS © 0,4

FARAONI (d) 0,3

MURIEL (a) 0,3

BADU © 0,25

FABBRINI (a) 0,25

HERTAUX (d) 0,25

RANEGIE (a) 0,25

ALLAN © 0,2

SILVA (d) 0,2

PADELLI (p) 0,2

PEREYRA © 0,2

MAZZARANI © 0,15

PAWLOWSKI (p) 0,15

Out of that list, Watford have signed Fabbrini + Faraoani, who are on 250k and 300k a year respectively. Which works out at around 5k a week. Compare that to 40k a week for Beckford and we are looking very healthy in terms of FFP. This is the initial start-up, with these players, we will then be able to sell them later on down the line, and be able to fund our own transfers. Is it wrong morally? Most likely, yes. Is it a workaround to FFP? Most likely, yes. But if that's the case, why aren't you complaining about Man Citys obvious breach of FFP rules (by getting Etihad to sponsor their stadium/training ground etc for an obscene amount when the chairmen of Etihad is the brother of the owner of City).

[harrowhorn]

But Udinese are always way into profit, therefore complying with FFP. Watford are paying the wages, which actually aren't much as everyone seems to think:

http://www.calcioblog.it/post/51729/la-graduatoria-stipendi-della-serie-a-20122013-tutti-gli-ingaggi-dei-giocatori

DI NATALE (a) 1,3

BENATIA (d) 0,9

DOMIZZI (d) 0,6

PINZI © 0,6

ARMERO © 0,5

BARRETO (a) 0,5

LAZZARI © 0,5

MAICOSUEL © 0,5

PASQUALE (d) 0,5

BASTA (d) 0,4

BRKIC (p) 0,4

CODA (d) 0,4

DANILO (d) 0,4

WILLIANS © 0,4

FARAONI (d) 0,3

MURIEL (a) 0,3

BADU © 0,25

FABBRINI (a) 0,25

HERTAUX (d) 0,25

RANEGIE (a) 0,25

ALLAN © 0,2

SILVA (d) 0,2

PADELLI (p) 0,2

PEREYRA © 0,2

MAZZARANI © 0,15

PAWLOWSKI (p) 0,15

Out of that list, Watford have signed Fabbrini + Faraoani, who are on 250k and 300k a year respectively. Which works out at around 5k a week. Compare that to 40k a week for Beckford and we are looking very healthy in terms of FFP. This is the initial start-up, with these players, we will then be able to sell them later on down the line, and be able to fund our own transfers. Is it wrong morally? Most likely, yes. Is it a workaround to FFP? Most likely, yes. But if that's the case, why aren't you complaining about Man Citys obvious breach of FFP rules (by getting Etihad to sponsor their stadium/training ground etc for an obscene amount when the deputy head of Etihad is the guy that runs the club).

...and one by one the arguments are shot down, until only one remains...

 

IT'S NOT FAIR !!!

[MC Prussian]

I would love more people stop bumming Watford and their fans for what happened last season or because of what their previous owner did.

They somewhat cheated with their loans, but that's over now.

 

One has to ask oneself why other clubs didn't exploit this loophole earlier.

 

In the end, I wish some of our fans would stop being so bitter towards Watford and Hornets fans.

They have signed an exceptional amount of talent for (apparently) little money and have little to no debts.

 

There's a new season just around the corner and the points tally starts off a 0 for every single club. We shall focus on our strengths and weaknesses and take it from there.

Watford have to prove themselves that they can implement and accommodate all these new players more or less at once. But that's their problem, not ours.

[foxfanazer]

Can't believe this thread has managed to reach 6 pages!

Don't agree with what they're doing but like others have said I wouldn't have given it a second thought if the hadnt beaten us in the playoffs.

Lets concentrate on us more and forget their tinpot club because even if you consider them cheats, they still failed ultimately

[Leeds Fox]

Morally wrong? Since when did morals and football go together. It's funny how your club are the only one alongside palace to give a monkees. Would suggest it's a case of sour grapes and the fact that because of financial mismanagement you're saddled with distinctly average players on unrealistic wages and can't now deal with FFP

It's cubs like yours which has inflated the transfer and wage market which is why FFP was introduced in the first place.

If you read the whole post, I am agreeing that your club aren't doing anything wrong. The 'morally wrong' point was to someone who said they were breaking the rules, which I disagreed with. I have no problem with Watford or any other club doing what you did last season, until it is against the rules.

Blah blah blah go on one of your own forums.

[Manwell Pablo]

Is this still going on?

 

I've herd something will make some of you rage, I've herd all undisclosed transfers to Watford from Udine/Granada, are £1 with a £1 by back clause.

 

In other words, they're basically loans, although Watford will have to fork out with the wages. Quite clever though. 

[foxfanazer]

Is this still going on?

I've herd something will make some of you rage, I've herd all undisclosed transfers to Watford from Udine/Granada, are £1 with a £1 by back clause.

In other words, they're basically loans, although Watford will have to fork out with the wages. Quite clever though.

Now you've done it

[harrowhorn]

Is this still going on?

 

I've herd something will make some of you rage, I've herd all undisclosed transfers to Watford from Udine/Granada, are £1 with a £1 by back clause.

 

In other words, they're basically loans, although Watford will have to fork out with the wages. Quite clever though. 

Ah, you've heard this! Care to tell us from which Watford/Udinese/Granada director/tealady?

[Bert]

Ah, you've heard this! Care to tell us from which Watford/Udinese/Granada director/tealady?

He's Elton's bit on the side

[Moosedog]

Watford have confirmed the signing of Anya and Reece Brown today plus the FL have passed the registration of the eight from Friday as well, there will probably be three more left to register Ekstrand,Romero and Iriney transfer business will be finished before the start of the season

[theessexfox]

Can we close this thread now, embarrassment limitation? 

[Babylon]

Yes it does. It means Watford could also have signed them on frees, so we are not getting £1m players for nothing.

 

Oh and I suppose these players didn't get nice signing on fees paid for by Udinese, wonder if Watford are paying them the same!!!

[Manwell Pablo]

He's Elton's bit on the side

 

The things I do to be ITK. 

[Harry - LCFC]

But Udinese are always way into profit, therefore complying with FFP. Watford are paying the wages, which actually aren't much as everyone seems to think:

Out of that list, Watford have signed Fabbrini + Faraoani, who are on 250k and 300k a year respectively. Which works out at around 5k a week. Compare that to 40k a week for Beckford and we are looking very healthy in terms of FFP. This is the initial start-up, with these players, we will then be able to sell them later on down the line, and be able to fund our own transfers. Is it wrong morally? Most likely, yes. Is it a workaround to FFP? Most likely, yes. But if that's the case, why aren't you complaining about Man Citys obvious breach of FFP rules (by getting Etihad to sponsor their stadium/training ground etc for an obscene amount when the chairmen of Etihad is the brother of the owner of City).

 

It doesn't really matter that Udinese are in profit, they're still paying for the costs (and able to do so because they're in profit) that you wouldn't be able to. It's clear that they are acting in your favour, so there is distortion of the competition - that's the point. They would be in more profit if they acted like a normal club.I make no complaint about wages as that's something for the player to decide for himself.  If you happen to go for players with low wage demands that's good business, it's the transfer fees that bother me.

 

I'm glad you've accepted that it's morally wrong as that's what I'm trying to get at. I accept that you behaviour is allowed but it shouldn't be allowed. 

 

Given the details of that plan for the future it seems that if something isn't done about it soon you're going to benefit permanently, that's why I'm so concerned about this situation. I must admit I hadn't even heard of that Man City sponsorhip thing, of course I condemn that too and hope that something is done to prevent it.

 

 

...and one by one the arguments are shot down, until only one remains...

 

IT'S NOT FAIR !!!

 

Nope.