Jace Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Sounds like a terrible job working under terrible conditions lets give them permanent contracts with a decent salery and pension scheme
Jace Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Ball boys are slave labour too and they only get a 15 minute break
theessexfox Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Ball boys are slave labour too and they only get a 15 minute break And they're fooking freezing at times (from experience)
svensson Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Wasting your time catfordfox, seems they're a bunch of tory lovers on here who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the tory lie that thousands are receiving over 2500 per month in benefits and they are the 3rd generation of their family to have never worked. I am as left as you can get, I used to march for/with CND. Go to middlesbrough and see how the benefits system is manipulated for generations.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I don't know about the rights and wrongs of this scheme whether due to how much you earn etc is exploitation but i would argue that it is still work experience. for example: Working in a team Working to instructions Attendance Effort, doing a good job no matter how 'shit' it is Understanding what committing to a 'job' requires in terms of sacrificing your personal wants I firmly believe that everyone whatever their status should and would benefit from doing a stint at some of the most mind numbing tasks that people have to endure with the hope that they remember what it was like when they eventually reach a position of influence over those very same or similar jobs. This. Why shouldn't people work for their benefits? I did when I was unemployed, and was £6 per week worse off. It helped me get permanent employment when I was in my mid fifties.Why should people get money for doing nothing? What the hell is up with people, who believe one should sit on their lazy backsides, and do nothing for their money? Work experience grabs the work shy scum by their bollocks, and helps to convince them they would be better ff working. The genuine people who want to work, ought to have no objection to this. I didn't.
Strokes Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Wasting your time catfordfox, seems they're a bunch of tory lovers on here who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the tory lie that thousands are receiving over 2500 per month in benefits and they are the 3rd generation of their family to have never worked.What a load of nonsense, there are people that exist how you describe but I/we are aware plenty have/get much less than described. I bought a mid terrace on a council estate last December and I see how some of these people live first hand. Most of them are in a hole and need guidence but are not a bad lot, a few think they are owed a living for doing jack all and some claim sick whilst openly dealing drugs. This system should if used correctly help the majority, those operating it should be doing regular checks to make sure it is not being abused by greedy organisations.
Buce Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I am as left as you can get, I used to march for/with CND. s. Ooo, proper Marxist then...
Weller in Tights Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I think the players should clean them This most definitely as some of them do not do enough on the pitch to justify their inflated wages.
svensson Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 This most definitely as some of them do not do enough on the pitch to justify their inflated wages. Yawn.......
Buce Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 And why have you got a problem with people working for it rather than doing nothing at all? I always had it drilled into me as a kid that I should earn every penny I get, If I was made redundant for any reason, I'd go and find another job, it's as simple as that. have friends on benefits who turn down jobs every week, it's not that the jobs aren't there for people, many people just have this stupid mindset now that they are too good to do menial jobs. I'd also like to point out that people are only put on schemes like this when they have been turning work down for x amount of months. These are people that have been offered work and turned it down. I sincerely hope you get the chance to prove this. Twat.
leicsmac Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Devils advocate here, I'm a bit on the fence with it. If companies are offering entry/below entry positions and offering a low wage for it and there are people that want to fill those positions then why shouldn't that be okay? No problem with that whatsoever, as long as they are not breaking the law by paying less than minimum wage. This. Why shouldn't people work for their benefits? I did when I was unemployed, and was £6 per week worse off. It helped me get permanent employment when I was in my mid fifties.Why should people get money for doing nothing? What the hell is up with people, who believe one should sit on their lazy backsides, and do nothing for their money? Work experience grabs the work shy scum by their bollocks, and helps to convince them they would be better ff working. The genuine people who want to work, ought to have no objection to this. I didn't. Because it defeats the entire purpose of them. As has been said, if a company wants people to work for them, take them on and pay them a wage, don't take money from the public coffers that could go to something else. It's called Job Seekers Allowance, not Job Found Allowance. Companies should offer six-week trial schemes at minimum wage with a decent opportunity of employment afterwards with the Government doing nothing other than offering its availability to the unemployed with penalties for not doing so, and removing benefits for the duration of the trial as if they were being paid a living wage they shouldn't be needed. That's the way this scheme should work.
hackneyfox Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I am as left as you can get, I used to march for/with CND. Go to middlesbrough and see how the benefits system is manipulated for generations. What a load of nonsense, there are people that exist how you describe but I/we are aware plenty have/get much less than described. I bought a mid terrace on a council estate last December and I see how some of these people live first hand. Most of them are in a hole and need guidence but are not a bad lot, a few think they are owed a living for doing jack all and some claim sick whilst openly dealing drugs. This system should if used correctly help the majority, those operating it should be doing regular checks to make sure it is not being abused by greedy organisations. They have yet to find a family where 3 generations have never worked. They bring in a cap of £2500 per month and morons believe that there are tens of thousands receiving that amount. It's all poppycock but people swallow it. Dis these people admit to you that they are claiming sick and dealing drugs or have you just assumed that? The system is clearly being abused by greedy organisations who get labour on the cheap, if there is actually work to do then why shouldn't they employ people correctly and pay at least the minimum wage.
hackneyfox Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Companies should offer six-week trial schemes at minimum wage with a decent opportunity of employment afterwards with the Government doing nothing other than offering its availability to the unemployed with penalties for not doing so, and removing benefits for the duration of the trial as if they were being paid a living wage they shouldn't be needed. That's the way this scheme should work. Spot on
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I sincerely hope you get the chance to prove this. Twat. No sir, it is you who are the "twat", to use your own mediocrity. You are probably one of the scroungers.
hackneyfox Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I am as left as you can get, I used to march for/with CND. Go to middlesbrough and see how the benefits system is manipulated for generations. Being an ex member of CND makes you extreme left does it?
Buce Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 No sir, it is you who are the "twat", to use your own mediocrity. You are probably one of the scroungers. No, I work for a living and pay an obscene amount of tax; however, I accept that sometimes we have to support those less fortunate without resorting to the workhouse mentality, otherwise we don't have a society at all - just the law of the jungle.
svensson Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 They have yet to find a family where 3 generations have never worked. They bring in a cap of £2500 per month and morons believe that there are tens of thousands receiving that amount. It's all poppycock but people swallow it. Dis these people admit to you that they are claiming sick and dealing drugs or have you just assumed that? The system is clearly being abused by greedy organisations who get labour on the cheap, if there is actually work to do then why shouldn't they employ people correctly and pay at least the minimum wage. 2 generations is one too many!!! Being an ex member of CND makes you extreme left does it? Yes
hackneyfox Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 2 generations is one too many!!! Yes There was me remembering many CND members to be wishy washy liberals.
svensson Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 No problem with that whatsoever, as long as they are not breaking the law by paying less than minimum wage. Because it defeats the entire purpose of them. As has been said, if a company wants people to work for them, take them on and pay them a wage, don't take money from the public coffers that could go to something else. It's called Job Seekers Allowance, not Job Found Allowance. Companies should offer six-week trial schemes at minimum wage with a decent opportunity of employment afterwards with the Government doing nothing other than offering its availability to the unemployed with penalties for not doing so, and removing benefits for the duration of the trial as if they were being paid a living wage they shouldn't be needed. That's the way this scheme should work. Why should/would companies do that? Whats the incentive for them? There was me remembering many CND members to be wishy washy liberals. Memory must be fading.
leicsmac Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Why should/would companies do that? Whats the incentive for them? Only if they need the staff, of course. I'm not saying they should be made to do a scheme like that, just if they need the people. But if they want people to work for them they should do it through the official channels, rather than using this borderline illegal excuse for free labour for them.
MrBojangles Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I'm pleased the club is committing to this scheme. A good way for people to earn a living and contribute to society. Anyone with an honest ambition to work will only benefit from it and anyone who doesn't won't, which is exactly how it should be
leicsmac Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 I'm pleased the club is committing to this scheme. A good way for people to earn a living and contribute to society. Anyone with an honest ambition to work will only benefit from it and anyone who doesn't won't, which is exactly how it should be It would be, if it was a proper job for a proper wage paid for by the club. Don't disagree with the contributing to society mind.
MooseBreath Posted 27 August 2013 Posted 27 August 2013 Everyone on this scheme is on housing benefit as well. The average housing benefit payment is about £400 per month, for accommodation which would be at least £450 on the private market. Plus your £300 per month JSA, in return for about 25 hours work a week, that's almost £10 per hour. So the low pay argument is nonsense. The other argument says that if there is a job that needs doing, the business should employ someone to do it. That doesn't work because these jobs aren't really jobs. Businesses wouldn't pay out of their own pocket for people to do this work. The end product is not worth the cost, so they would just do without. By effectively covering their wages, the government is incentivising businesses to create what amount to work experience positions, in the hope that it will help the unemployed back into employment. It's a pretty good idea if you ask me. Obviously it is open to abuse and would therefore need to be tightly monitored which is why I would assume it is being tightly monitored.
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