ithuriel Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 No they mustn't. What the fvck are the league going to do if people are standing at a match? Bugger all. Fans stand at all grounds around the country. Any suggestion that the club have their hands tied is pure bullshit. They're just a bunch of bastards who hate that they can't completely control the fans in the stadium. You really aren't, oh who cares, major anger issues much
Bayfox Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 No they mustn't. What the fvck are the league going to do if people are standing at a match? Bugger all. Fans stand at all grounds around the country. Any suggestion that the club have their hands tied is pure bullshit. They're just a bunch of bastards who hate that they can't completely control the fans in the stadium. the bit you quoted is the most ridiculous part. the league have a rule. Certain clubs must enforce!! We play in the football league right? 2 of the 3 divisions don't have such rule and posh, Yeovil etc also get leeway. not really consistent policy.
Iwan is a Welshman Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 I know the club's hands are tied to a certain extent but nothing prevents them siding with the fans to the maximum point allowed. They just don't seem concerned to do so. It's frustrating.
SmelliottLcfc Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 This would never happen. Most people would refuse to sit down. There was a meeting the other day with staff and fans before the bolton game to ask how to improve atmosphere at home games and surely this would make it worse not better.
lestajigs Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 When was that ? Everytime I watch them unless its a huge game you cant even see the standers in the Kop. The first 20 or so rows always sit thesedays its one of the few grounds where standing seems to have decreased. Everton and stoke? Are you sure? They seem to have the least out of all the premiership sides. I'm sure there is a large number that stand in the gwladys street end, yes at Everton behind the goal, and stoke isn't there a few that stand in the stand to the left of the away stand?
K1FOX Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 I'm sure there is a large number that stand in the gwladys street end, yes at Everton behind the goal, and stoke isn't there a few that stand in the stand to the left of the away stand? Pretty sure that whole end stands
Dan Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 This would never happen. Most people would refuse to sit down. There was a meeting the other day with staff and fans before the bolton game to ask how to improve atmosphere at home games and surely this would make it worse not better. No staff were there. The closest to any links with LCFC were Lee Jobber - and I tell you what, I've got a totally different view on his presence in the ground now. Gets a lot of very unjustified stick.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 I would imagine a stadium can have any rules it wants, but you can't be arrested for standing as there's no law. I think stadium rules are only against constant standing, so if you sit then stand again it's ok.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 What's so funny? Yoyoing. Will you have time to watch the match sitting and standing throughout? Rule 17, paragraph 9, clause 11, of The Misuse of Seats Act.
red5 Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Yoyoing. Will you have time to watch the match sitting and standing throughout? Rule 17, paragraph 9, clause 11, of The Misuse of Seats Act. Don't see why you'd be yoyoing, plenty of breaks to sit for a minute and half time, plus if you went to away games you'd know if stewards make you sit as some do, you can just stand a minute later and they give up, and my case is about the legalities of standing. Can you link to the "Rule 17, paragraph 9, clause 11, of The Misuse of Seats Act." as I said no law against standing.
Guest Bilo Posted 2 January 2014 Posted 2 January 2014 Don't see why you'd be yoyoing, plenty of breaks to sit for a minute and half time, plus if you went to away games you'd know if stewards make you sit as some do, you can just stand a minute later and they give up, and my case is about the legalities of standing. Can you link to the "Rule 17, paragraph 9, clause 11, of The Misuse of Seats Act." as I said no law against standing. No such law exists. The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 3 January 2014 Posted 3 January 2014 Don't see why you'd be yoyoing, plenty of breaks to sit for a minute and half time, plus if you went to away games you'd know if stewards make you sit as some do, you can just stand a minute later and they give up, and my case is about the legalities of standing. Can you link to the "Rule 17, paragraph 9, clause 11, of The Misuse of Seats Act." as I said no law against standing. How the heck did you believe in such an act?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 No such law exists. The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’ I am very impressed Bilo. Hope you didn't think I was being serious
Guest Bilo Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 I am very impressed Bilo. Hope you didn't think I was being serious The anti-standing legislation is stupid, but even our lot aren't stupid to implement a Misuse of Seats Act!
lcfc"weasel" Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I think it's obvious the club are not pro-standing, they are tied by league rules, but every single 92 club has pockets of standers no matter what size. I think it's obvious the club are, personally, against standing when there own good-behavioural agreement, drawn up in conjunction with Leicester City lawyers has as one of it's rules, that the person being issues with the agreement must not persistently stand, even though this is covered by another rule that you must abide by the ground regulations which also states in paragraph 13, I think, that by entering the ground you must not persistently stand. Why the need to have standing covered twice, no other aspect of the regs is covered twice, as far as I can remember? Also doesn't help that the woman signing these can give no definitive definition of persistent standing, enforcing rules they can't define, brilliant.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I think it's obvious the club are not pro-standing, they are tied by league rules, but every single 92 club has pockets of standers no matter what size. I think it's obvious the club are, personally, against standing when there own good-behavioural agreement, drawn up in conjunction with Leicester City lawyers has as one of it's rules, that the person being issues with the agreement must not persistently stand, even though this is covered by another rule that you must abide by the ground regulations which also states in paragraph 13, I think, that by entering the ground you must not persistently stand. Why the need to have standing covered twice, no other aspect of the regs is covered twice, as far as I can remember? Also doesn't help that the woman signing these can give no definitive definition of persistent standing, enforcing rules they can't define, brilliant. You are assuming that the phrase "persistent standing" refers to only one game. Apply it to all home games throughout the season, and it's meaning changes.
AndWhat? Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 You are assuming that the phrase "persistent standing" refers to only one game. Apply it to all home games throughout the season, and it's meaning changes. So it's worked out over the season? So if I sit for 13 games and stand for 10 i'm not persistently standing? The thing that annoys me most about this persistent standing bollocks is that no one in the whole country knows what it means!
Guest Bilo Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 The only legal description I've ever heard is that fans can stand at 'moments of excitement' and going to the toilets or concourse, but surely 'moments of excitement' is subjective? What one person deems exciting in a game could be very easily argued to be a standard part of the game by another and vice versa. Surely it can't be right that a game like the one against Bolton, in which there were eight goals and plenty of 'moments of excitement,' would allow for more standing than the game against Leeds in August which was as dull as ditch water? It makes a mockery of the whole ruling in my opinion.
AndWhat? Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 The only legal description I've ever heard is that fans can stand at 'moments of excitement' and going to the toilets or concourse, but surely 'moments of excitement' is subjective? What one person deems exciting in a game could be very easily argued to be a standard part of the game by another and vice versa. Surely it can't be right that a game like the one against Bolton, in which there were eight goals and plenty of 'moments of excitement,' would allow for more standing than the game against Leeds in August which was as dull as ditch water? It makes a mockery of the whole ruling in my opinion. Tell me about it, I find the whole 90 minutes exciting, I wouldn't go if I didn't! I sing for 90% of the time I'm there as well and that's exciting too. It's a massive grey area that no one can define.
Vlad the Fox Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 'Misuse of seats act'? I'm safe, never use my seat so should look brand spanking new. Come to think of it I don't even know my seat number and probably spend most of the time standing a few spaces to the left or right. Seriously though the issue of standing isn't going to go away. A new generation of supporters have come along, many of whom have grown up in and only ever known all seater stadia yet they still desire to stand at football and are prepared to vehemently defend their right to do so. The fact the government and other official bodies are still trying to enforce this won't make it go away, in fact it may accelerate the push for safe standing, but ultimately safe standing will eventually happen. If those in power weren't so short sighted it could happen a lot sooner but as is typical with government they would sooner sit in their bunkers and let the city burn before admitting defeat.
1964FOX Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Like a lot of statute it is not definitive and comes down to the interpretation of persistent. That's why its open to argument and can't really be enforced 100% accurately. So as with other things it comes down to who has the power in the equation and that will be the club via the stewards. It would be interesting to see a test case in a civil court on this matter.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 You are assuming that the phrase "persistent standing" refers to only one game. Apply it to all home games throughout the season, and it's meaning changes. But I attend less than 5 home games per season these days, so what happens then, should I sit down for 2 and a half and stand for the rest, in order to not risk ejection and a football banning order? If someone could actually reasonably define this rule, then fans might actually abide by it, it's not as if 99% of folk standing don't follow most of the other rules, is it? A simple straight definition would save fans and the club a shedload of problems.
LCFC FOX Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 But I attend less than 5 home games per season these days, so what happens then, should I sit down for 2 and a half and stand for the rest, in order to not risk ejection and a football banning order? If someone could actually reasonably define this rule, then fans might actually abide by it, it's not as if 99% of folk standing don't follow most of the other rules, is it? A simple straight definition would save fans and the club a shedload of problems. You coming over to SK one (the number one key is broke on my keyboard) for the Charlton game mate? Confetti again?
lcfc"weasel" Posted 7 January 2014 Posted 7 January 2014 You coming over to SK one (the number one key is broke on my keyboard) for the Charlton game mate? Confetti again? My next home game'll be Ipswich, I'll be in SK1, was there for Boxing Day as well, god some of the looks I got were a bit sad.
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