Fox92 Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 It's pretty much impossible to kick a heroin habit so I do have sympathy. The only sympathy I have is for her young children. They are left without a mother.
Haydos Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Find low blow criticism of poor girls like her pretty distasteful, having known a few myself in my time. Seriously? I'm not aware of much of her personal life but she's going to need a hell of an excuse to get any sympathy from me considering her comforts and the fact that she's left kids without a mother. She is in a better position than anyone to be able to seek and afford serious help.
Steven Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 I have none, if you have a child and that isn't enough to kick a disgusting habit then you deserve what you get. How I wish I could live in your perfect world.
absolutelegend Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 She made the choice to take heroin first time around. I am sure she knew the associated risks better than most.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Completely understand the argument for what a selfish cow, no sympathy etc, and you're welcome to your opinion but I simply whole heartedly and vehemently disagree with it. Also know there is no need getting in to a debate about it as nobody is going to change their minds either way.
Grandad. Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 How I wish I could live in your perfect world. I'm far from perfect, I have taken stupid stuff in my past too and I more than likely will again, for one minute I am not proud of myself but I can categorically tell you know, the day I ever have a child come into this world then I can tell you now I would not be so stupid to take any kind of drug, let alone heroin. No child deserves to grow up without a mother but nobody deserves to live if they are willing to put that shit into their body with the chance of possibly leaving a child without a mother. That's just me. Like SGLF has just said, people will never agree on this kind of subject.
Alf Bentley Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Sad news, drugs or not, a young girl has lost her life and two young children have lost their Mother. I have [no sympathy], if you have a child and that isn't enough to kick a disgusting habit then you deserve what you get. I preferred your response in April. What's changed? Did you feel pressurized to fake some sympathy in April or are you having a bad day today and it helps you feel better to kick someone else's corpse? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".....and that's from an atheist. By the way, having a child comes with a range of pressures of its own, so I wouldn't assume that you or anyone else can handle it until your perfection has been confirmed! well all of us who called it as an OD..were well off base..shan't jump to conclusions again.. Quite a few people were up in arms like it was the most unlikely and inappropriate thing in the world to suggest. Bit strange. If you stood in a pub every weekend throughout the football season and told people that you thought Man City would win their match, you'd be right more often than not. It wouldn't make you wise. I doubt that many people thought it the "most unlikely thing" that she might have died of an OD. Several, myself included, thought it inappropriate to publicly assume that without real evidence. I still think it was inappropriate, even though the evidence now confirms the assumption.....so those who want to condemn can do so. I wonder whether they assume that they're incapable of a fatal weakness or misjudgment, or are just happy with the idea that, if they do something fatally misguided, their loved ones will think it fair game for complete strangers to boost their egos by abusing them in death? I've said more than enough about this now. Few people change their attitudes, myself included.
Voll Blau Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 well all of us who called it as an OD..were well off base..shan't jump to conclusions again.. Maybe the coroner should have just taken your word as read then rather than having a proper inquest with, y'know, evidence and all that? Would've saved the taxpayer a shitload!
Guest Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Maybe the coroner should have just taken your word as read then rather than having a proper inquest with, y'know, evidence and all that? Would've saved the taxpayer a shitload! Maybe it should be paid for from her estate. Why should taxpayers pay for it?
Maybes Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Maybe it should be paid for from her estate. Why should taxpayers pay for it? Agree.
Steven Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Some people are not human beings. ... any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee..—Donne, Meditation XVII
Rocky Dennis Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Thank heavens the kids didn't get hold of the 'stash' huh! Selfish Cu.nt
johnny the fox Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 The hard truth is..she didn't die of drugs, she died of being an idiot, drugs were just the method..... there is an old saying, ignorance is curable, stupidity is terminal..
Webbo Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Some people are not human beings. Weren't you the one accusing mothers of children who have died of drug overdoses of being somehow to blame?
Rocky Dennis Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 The hard truth is..she didn't die of drugs, she died of being an idiot, drugs were just the method..... there is an old saying, ignorance is curable, stupidity is terminal.. True, however it's unlikely she'd have died if addicted to cheese or Haribo's
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 True, however it's unlikely she'd have died if addicted to cheese or Haribo's Not so sure about the cheese bit. Apparently she used to live on McDonalds too and had the heart of an OAP because of it.
Guest MattP Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Whilst it might be uncomfortable for some for people to speculate, it wasn't really that outrageous to suggest that a 20 something heroin addict found dead might have been killed by a heroin overdose without waiting for the expertise of the coroner. Can't really say I have any sympathy either, I want to as I have addictions myself, but if you can't sort them out when your mother has already died of it and you have kids, then you have no hope, what's even worse for me is that she was lying about it as well.
Rincewind Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Why did she take heroin? Without knowing how she lived her everyday life it is hard to say. She should have had no money worries. How she coped with a young family is unknown except for rumours and speculation. She could easily have had help with them. There are many factors why young people start on heroin. Family breakdown. abuse and domestic violence among them. Of course they can say no to start with. The hardest part about an addiction I would imagine admitting that you have an addiction. PG may have been in that category and would not admit it to herself and others.
Voll Blau Posted 23 July 2014 Posted 23 July 2014 Maybe it should be paid for from her estate. Why should taxpayers pay for it? Er, because it's an inquest? It has to happen by law for unexplained deaths. We've done it for centuries etc. In this case her death was clearly her fault, not disputing that, but nobody actually knew that at the time did they? As much as we may have all suspected it to some degree (some more than others) Besides if the system you were proposing were put in place coroners would be hugely out of pocket. Seriously doubt "the estate" of most of those whose deaths result in inquests being held would be able to cover the costs.
Bert Posted 24 July 2014 Author Posted 24 July 2014 Whilst it might be uncomfortable for some for people to speculate, it wasn't really that outrageous to suggest that a 20 something heroin addict found dead might have been killed by a heroin overdose without waiting for the expertise of the coroner. Can't really say I have any sympathy either, I want to as I have addictions myself, but if you can't sort them out when your mother has already died of it and you have kids, then you have no hope, what's even worse for me is that she was lying about it as well. Totally agree. You can't help those who don't want to help themselves. Tragic for her babies but that's as far as my sympathy runs.
Guest Posted 24 July 2014 Posted 24 July 2014 Er, because it's an inquest? It has to happen by law for unexplained deaths. We've done it for centuries etc. In this case her death was clearly her fault, not disputing that, but nobody actually knew that at the time did they? As much as we may have all suspected it to some degree (some more than others) Besides if the system you were proposing were put in place coroners would be hugely out of pocket. Seriously doubt "the estate" of most of those whose deaths result in inquests being held would be able to cover the costs. You are blinkered by an English system There is no reason why those who can pay, should pay and those who can't get it paid by the state - it happens in many areas of the English system. Just because something is the law or custom doesn't mean it has to be that way.
Voll Blau Posted 24 July 2014 Posted 24 July 2014 You are blinkered by an English system There is no reason why those who can pay, should pay and those who can't get it paid by the state - it happens in many areas of the English system. Just because something is the law or custom doesn't mean it has to be that way. So the family of a man who dies after falling off a ladder, for example, should have to pay for his inquest to get the answers and closure they need? Absolutely laughable idea. Inquests aren't there to apportion blame to any party, they're there to find out what happened.
Guest Posted 24 July 2014 Posted 24 July 2014 So the family of a man who dies after falling off a ladder, for example, should have to pay for his inquest to get the answers and closure they need? Absolutely laughable idea. Inquests aren't there to apportion blame to any party, they're there to find out what happened. We can simply disagree. The man fell off a ladder. If it is thought to be criminal the police can look into the matter, if not does it matter? the guy's dead. Seems closure as final as a family could need. To me it seems to be another case of the blame culture that we are sinking into. That however seems irrelevant when talking about who should pay for it. The family wants closure then pay for it. Why should someone who has no interest in finding out have to pay for something of no importance? If we, as a society believe they should then why shouldn't those who have money to pay for it, pay for it? Those that don't can continue to get state handouts in order to do so. IMO completely pointless and a further sign of western society's slide into decadence, as I said we can simply disagree.
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