Rincewind Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 I'm not sure what your point is, new applicants are not really an issue to me. Its the long term welfare dependants that worry me, they seem to be deliberately excluded from this article. I agree but the majority claiming JSA may only be doing it for a short while. The scroungers as some like to call them are a minority. Low paid workers account for the majority of people claiming benefits. A lot is down to child benefit which has been reduced. Benefit fraud is only a small percentage. There is far more waste of taxpayers money in other areas. This has always been the case regardless of who is in government. Yes Minister/Prime Minister has it spot on. Some charities need to be run like a business sometimes. They reqire publicity and financial expertise. But the grass root volunteers are doing it because they have had experience or care about the charity. There are many runners in the London Marathon running for a charity because they have a loved one being cared for by a charity. Some have done it on here for a cause. I don't think it is fir to say they have their own agenda.
ozleicester Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 This got released in the US today.... https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lava-mae-mobile-showers-for-the-homeless
Strokes Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 I agree but the majority claiming JSA may only be doing it for a short while. The scroungers as some like to call them are a minority. Low paid workers account for the majority of people claiming benefits. A lot is down to child benefit which has been reduced. Benefit fraud is only a small percentage. There is far more waste of taxpayers money in other areas. This has always been the case regardless of who is in government. Yes Minister/Prime Minister has it spot on. Some charities need to be run like a business sometimes. They reqire publicity and financial expertise. But the grass root volunteers are doing it because they have had experience or care about the charity. There are many runners in the London Marathon running for a charity because they have a loved one being cared for by a charity. Some have done it on here for a cause. I don't think it is fir to say they have their own agenda. How do we know what percentage is benefit fraud? If it is on going, surely no one knows the figure.
Rincewind Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 The Artist Taxi Driver has a video on YouTube about the protest. I won't post it because Moose will not like it.
Buce Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 The Artist Taxi Driver has a video on YouTube about the protest. I won't post it because Moose will not like it. Fvck him, post it anyway.
Rincewind Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 Fvck him, post it anyway. Not sure where to put it anyway. Videos or funny stories. He does go a little over the top but the rant is overall on the right lines and some good points are made. I don't agree with all of it though.
MooseBreath Posted 22 June 2014 Posted 22 June 2014 Just watched the video. I think idiotic ranting is just a comedy sketch for him, isn't it? Also watched an al jazeera video on the protests. Showed El Miliband talking and coming out with an absolutely disgraceful pack of lies. He's lucky the critical media didn't pick up on that because he could have been torn to shreds. The presenter then signs off talking about how the country is still in recession. That's the standard of economic literacy you get at protests like that. Laughable. Seems like most attendees were from unions. Hardly a surprise that they're annoyed now the gravy train is being curtailed. The angrier they are the better for most hard working british people. It shows we're heading in the right direction.
BoneDog Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 Some people just don't know they're born, or how lucky they are. Hard times can befall anybody. When I was an urchin I used to sleep in one of these bastards. Nicked one from a supermarket, took it to my overnight spot, put it on the floor sideways and got in it for the night. It wasn't The Hilton but was better than tarmac. Lying in that thing looking up at the stars got lonely I can tell you and for some people with more problems than I had, it would mean a downward spiral that would be hard to recover from. I had friends I could have stayed with but was too proud and didn't want to be a burden so just went my own way for a bit. That said, I was only in the thing for a few weeks/month at the most and got myself out of the mess, but in that short time learned a bit about what it's like to be hungry and feel useless. I was lucky, but some people end up in these situations with problems 1000 times worse than I had. And some people have problems 1000 times worse than folk with stable home lives can imagine even before they end up in the gutter. Those people are desperate for help and to see folk dismissing them seems a bit cold-hearted to me. I was a normal kid albeit without a Dad. When I left school I was high rollin' - had good jobs, money, silk boxer shorts, the best deodorant, good clothes, women all on my jockstrap and all that baloney, but out of the blue things got flipped. On a lighter note, look at me now - 14 plate car, Adidas Samba's, Buffalo leather belt and have my oldest sons year 11 photo as my avatar. Like I said, I was lucky.
Parafox Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 I really don't care. All necessary support systems are in place in abundance and yet these tramps still choose to live in their own manky filth. You can make as many excuses as you like, the fact is that if a tramp didn't want to be a tramp then they wouldn't be a tramp. 99% of them are just weak little victim-playing blokes who are desperate fpr sympathy and for someone to blame. And there, in 4 words, is the root of all your prejudices.
MooseBreath Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 And there, in 4 words, is the root of all your prejudices. If I give a starving man a plate of good food and he refuses to eat it, I would consider my moral obligation fulfilled and if he starves then so be it. Too many people expecting others to solve all their problems for them these days. The vast majority of homeless contantly refuse an open invitation to take advantage of a very generous welfare system. It's almost as if they don't want to be helped, because accepting help would mean they would have to face up to the reality that THEY are to blame for their position, and it's a lot easier for these people to play the victim.
Rincewind Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 I have just deleted a response to Moose. Parafox said it for me. I cannot take him serious anymore.
Guest MattP Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 If I give a starving man a plate of good food and he refuses to eat it, I would consider my moral obligation fulfilled and if he starves then so be it. Too many people expecting others to solve all their problems for them these days. The vast majority of homeless contantly refuse an open invitation to take advantage of a very generous welfare system. It's almost as if they don't want to be helped, because accepting help would mean they would have to face up to the reality that THEY are to blame for their position, and it's a lot easier for these people to play the victim. Absolutely spot on.
Rincewind Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 Ok Moose i'll humour you and bow down to your superior expert personal experience and knowledge on the subject.
Rincewind Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 DNO2 - Bigger. Faster. Harder. Erect. Stronger. We stand up for the little man without the help of viagra. I think that is part of Moose's frustration.
Guest MattP Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 DNO3 - Standing up for the little (homeless) guy since May 2010. Just put some jugs in the big issue, would solve the homeless problem within weeks.
Rincewind Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 Cuess the political party. Private health care firms with ---- links have been awarded NHS contracts worth nearly £1.5billion. Circle Health landed £1.36billion worth of health service work after several Âof its investors gifted about £1.5million t------------- And Care UK has contracts worth another £102.6million. Its chairman John Nash was made a peer after boosting ------ coffers by £247,250.
MooseBreath Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 Would it be the party that's in power now by any chance?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 Just watched the video. I think idiotic ranting is just a comedy sketch for him, isn't it? Also watched an al jazeera video on the protests. Showed El Miliband talking and coming out with an absolutely disgraceful pack of lies. He's lucky the critical media didn't pick up on that because he could have been torn to shreds. The presenter then signs off talking about how the country is still in recession. That's the standard of economic literacy you get at protests like that. Laughable. Seems like most attendees were from unions. Hardly a surprise that they're annoyed now the gravy train is being curtailed. The angrier they are the better for most hard working british people. It shows we're heading in the right direction. Come, come, now. We must forgive Ed Miliband. He cannot tell the difference between lies and truth. That's what makes him such a great example of what Labour politicians must strive to achieve. Dipstickism!
Rob1742 Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 I haven't an issue with the company putting spikes down. The last thing you want to do is get to work and have to clear away remnants from a paraffins home made bedding before you get into work. Benefits - difficult to get the balance right, but I recall a conversation about 8 years ago one Christmas Eve when an old mate of mine told me he had given up work, as he gets enough benefits to live a good life and not have to lift a finger. He told me everything he got and his wife had their fourth or fifth kid on the way, which would improve his situation further. During these days many thousands took advantage of our over generous benefit system, paid for by the tax payer. Very difficult as by reducing benefits it will cause hardship to a number of people that genuinly need it, but you will never get it completely right. For sure we needed to change the situation to encourage people to get back to work. There will always be paraffins whatever the benefit system, there will always be certain people that can't find a way and you can't look at them and think our system is wrong
ozleicester Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 AHHH Anonymous.... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-lauderdale-web-site-attacked-20141201-story.html
Rincewind Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 It's the same place where a 90 year old man keeps being arrested for handing out food. The group is called Anonymous and not fully supported by the genuine groups that deal and help the homeless..
Steven Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 I suppose the people who passed this law would call themselves Christians as well.
Webbo Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 I suppose the people who passed this law would call themselves Christians as well. Why would you assume that and how is it relevant?
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