ScouseFox Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 dictated might be the wrong word, but he's right. comfortable is a word i used the other day, and controlled is another. at absolutely no stage did i think we'd lose, if we carried on missing/messing up good openings we might've had to take a 0-0 but once we scored we were always going to win. very comfortably.
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 dictated might be the wrong word, but he's right. comfortable is a word i used the other day, and controlled is another. at absolutely no stage did i think we'd lose, if we carried on missing/messing up good openings we might've had to take a 0-0 but once we scored we were always going to win. very comfortably. Now you see when your center back is scrambling back to clear an open goal off the line, and we're playing the Swiss through on goal towards the end of the first half, I don't think comfortable is the right word either. I think people are getting a bit carried away myself just because we probably deserved to win and actually played alright, for once. Don't see why a decent win has to be made into a display of total domination (which it was far from) Roll on San Marino anyway, now I know I'm going to be out when it's on so forced to watch the whole 90 minutes as oppose to turning the snooze fest off as soon as we're 3-0 up like I normally do.
ScouseFox Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 but comfortable is the right word because even if they'd scored from one of their few chances i would've felt confident we could've scored another. because we were in our comfort zone and if it'd gone wrong we could've upped it easily. we played within ourselves imo. switzerland were guff.
Grandad. Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 Our defender scrambling to clear one off the line which came from the Swiss attacker being offside..
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 Our defender scrambling to clear one off the line which came from the Swiss attacker being offside.. Again I didn't see anything "comfortable" about it that's the best I've seen us play in quite some time, especially away, so I'm not having it that we had another gear in us. They still had three clear cut chances, despite not playing well. It's irrelevant, he wasn't flagged. That's a bit like saying we were comfortable against Argentina in 1986 because it was handball.
Grandad. Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 Again I didn't see anything "comfortable" about it that's the best I've seen us play in quite some time, especially away, so I'm not having it that we had another gear in us. They still had three clear cut chances, despite not playing well. It's irrelevant, he wasn't flagged. That's a bit like saying we were comfortable against Argentina in 1986 because it was handball. Well it's not like saying that at all, we weren't beating Argentina in 1986. Stop saying they had chances, frigging hell so did we, teams will have chances, Man United can beat QPR 7-1 on Sunday, be comfortable but still make an error or two and let QPR have a chance. We were in complete control v Switzerland, seriously go back and watch the game and then come and tell me the same. I have re-watched the game.
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 Well it's not like saying that at all, we weren't beating Argentina in 1986. Stop saying they had chances, frigging hell so did we, teams will have chances, Man United can beat QPR 7-1 on Sunday, be comfortable but still make an error or two and let QPR have a chance. We were in complete control v Switzerland, seriously go back and watch the game and then come and tell me the same. I have re-watched the game. You've rewatched the 10 minute period in the second half right before we scored then? That was not comfortable. We created about 4 or 5 (goals inc) they created about three that's not comfortable either to me a bit of lack of clinical finishing on our half and a bit more on theirs the game goes away from us. As I say not denying we deserved to win but to say it was a game we dominated from 0-90 is ridiculous.
MC Prussian Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 Well it's not like saying that at all, we weren't beating Argentina in 1986. Stop saying they had chances, frigging hell so did we, teams will have chances, Man United can beat QPR 7-1 on Sunday, be comfortable but still make an error or two and let QPR have a chance. We were in complete control v Switzerland, seriously go back and watch the game and then come and tell me the same. I have re-watched the game. You weren't in complete control, you did not dictate the game. It was even. During the first hour in particular. We huffed and puffed in front of goal, but due to reasons mentioned earlier in this thread, our forwards created hardly anything of substance. The element that made the difference on Monday evening was your strike force on the pitch, its alertness and readiness, which ran and still runs much more well-oiled than ours. Coupled with two criminal errors on our behalf, it resulted in two swift goals conceded and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster. That's about it. I have been trying to be really objective about this game and complementary to the opposition. You just keep on steamrolling with your obvious England bias, brushing every sensible addition aside with a strong mix of both ignorance and arrogance that borders on the verge of poisonous.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 If ITV mess around with my Friday night double bill of the cobbles to show this bunch of tossers stroll past a load of brickies and barmen I'm gonna split a log.
Grandad. Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 You weren't in complete control, you did not dictate the game. It was even. During the first hour in particular. We huffed and puffed in front of goal, but due to reasons mentioned earlier in this thread, our forwards created hardly anything of substance. The element that made the difference on Monday evening was your strike force on the pitch, its alertness and readiness, which ran and still runs much more well-oiled than ours. Coupled with two criminal errors on our behalf, it resulted in two swift goals conceded and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster. That's about it. I have been trying to be really objective about this game and complementary to the opposition. You just keep on steamrolling with your obvious England bias, brushing every sensible addition aside with a strong mix of both ignorance and arrogance that borders on the verge of poisonous. Poisonous? You sad, sad person. Everyone can see how much of a clown you are now, people have always known it with me, but everyone can see it with you now. You have come out with some absolute shit, England comfortably beat you 2-0 in your own country, controlled the game from start to finish and you can't admit it. Well I'm sorry but there is only one ignorant and arrogant person here and it isn't me. If you don't like my bias views on England or any football side for that matter, block me because I won't lose any sleep over it. I just don't want to poison you anymore.
Dan Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 It reminded me of Watford away last season, England didn't dominate and Switzerland had chances, same as Watford but the winners always looked the more clinical going forward. Great shout. Fully agree with that comparison. I'm pretty sure you just wait for everyone to finish speaking then just pop up and agree with the most people in an argument. We let them have the ball and we never allowed them to create anything in our final third, actually no we did, when we made errors. We dictated the midfield, especially second half. Having the ball isn't dictating a game, especially when you are not going anywhere with it. Switzerland had a lot of the ball in their own half and around our midfield, no further, never got in behind us apart from few errors. Even the Gary Cahill block the Swiss player was offside. I think England controlled and dictated the tempo the game very well on Monday, Hodgson for once got it spot on. Bizarre cheap shot considering both of us know that's bollocks. I'm not claiming we played badly, but I don't get how you can 'dictate' a game whilst allowing them a couple of clear chances. Admittedly, one of them I won't use against us as it was offside, and we did recover well too. They take the lead in the first half through Seferovic (think it was him) and you've got an entirely different game on. Hodgson got the team, formation and personnel spot on, though it's a long way to go before he convinces me he's the man for the job. In terms of actually measuring our performance though, it's pretty hard now as we're actually in a position where we'd probably qualify if we only picked bottom half players for the rest of the games.
Grandad. Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 Yeah but they didn't take the lead in the first half, we also could have been two nil up at half time with Jones headed which lead to a great save and if Welbeck hadn't fluffed a pass to Sterling for an empty goal.. So let's just leave this now, England won 2-0, Switzerland aren't the 9th best side in the world, they aren't even the 19th best side in the world.
Donut Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 Obviously this thread has had some heated debate in it. Id just like to ask, those who are critical of the world rankings, how you would organise them so that they are more representative of the perceived level of ability teams should have? I am of the opinion that the world rankings actually do a pretty decent job of reflecting who is where in the world to be honest. If you look at what happens in major tournaments, particularly the last Euro's and World Cup, the rankings have correlated with success on the pitch, with a couple of exceptions like Costa Rica who actually performed much better than their world ranking. But those who arent, what changes to the system would you have in place to make them more representative in your opinion?
MC Prussian Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 Yeah but they didn't take the lead in the first half, we also could have been two nil up at half time with Jones headed which lead to a great save and if Welbeck hadn't fluffed a pass to Sterling for an empty goal.. So let's just leave this now, England won 2-0, Switzerland aren't the 9th best side in the world, they aren't even the 19th best side in the world. We are the best side in the world. As long as we don't have to play England. Or Argentina. Or France. Dammit.
Dan Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 I read an article on how they do the world rankings and to be fair a lot of it made sense - Switzerland were intelligent with their friendlies. I'm not sure I agree with the logic that you can actually lose points for beating a weak side though.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 I read an article on how they do the world rankings and to be fair a lot of it made sense - Switzerland were intelligent with their friendlies. I'm not sure I agree with the logic that you can actually lose points for beating a weak side though. You can?! Shit. All I do on Football Manager is arrange friendlies against Vanuatu and Soa Tome and Principe when I'm a country's boss.
shen Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Iceland nearly qualified for the world cup, thats not a shock at all The size of the win is a shock. To dismiss it as an ordinary win is quite derogatory towards Iceland. I bet you Turkey were expecting at least a draw from that game...
shen Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Iceland nearly qualified for the world cup, thats not a shock at all The size of the win is a shock. To dismiss it as an ordinary win is quite derogatory towards Iceland. I bet you Turkey were expecting at least a draw from that game...
Donut Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 The size of the win is a shock. To dismiss it as an ordinary win is quite derogatory towards Iceland. I bet you Turkey were expecting at least a draw from that game... Well if you read the rest of the thread, youll see i said that the MARGIN of the victory was a surprise, but not the win itself. Go back and read what i said. So less of the derogatory accusations.
shen Posted 14 September 2014 Posted 14 September 2014 Fair enough. I still maintain Turkey would have expected at least a draw. Stoke beating Man City the other day was considered a shock or surprising, yet they've done that before quite recently.
aadujaviinad Posted 28 September 2014 Posted 28 September 2014 Hei!Got tickets to Estonia - England 12/10/2014 (estonian end).Who is interested, email me: [email protected]
Ross-Kemp Posted 28 September 2014 Posted 28 September 2014 Hei! Got tickets to Estonia - England 12/10/2014 (estonian end). Who is interested, email me: [email protected] How many and how much?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 29 September 2014 Author Posted 29 September 2014 Got my Estonia away ticket through today (home end) Bit of a ballache as you're supposed to have an Estonian bank account. Fortunately a bloke I know of found a way round this and put me in touch wwith someone who was selling them for the Estonian Football Federation for 60 Euro for a 4 game package. So I now have tickets for sale for Estonia v San Marino and two others (can't make the teams out as its all in Estonian )
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 September 2014 Posted 29 September 2014 Everyone's fit, we're qualifying in second. Everyone pulls out, I finally give up. Lucky if we get fifth. Ramsey to miss Bosnia and Cyprus at home.
Finnegan Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 King looks a certainty to start in midfield for Wales. Looking at that squad, I'm hoping it's King, Ledley, J Williams in the middle.
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