Will NP?

[Stadt]

Yep, "tactically inept" Pearson

[Oxfordfox83]

I remember the days where he was accused of not having a clue tactically. Now he's a tactician and a messiah.

Love the fickleness of our fans.

Always backed him and always will. Love you Nige

Bloody happy clapper.

I think it was 'Pearson bummers' we were called at the time, because we could see improvements in style and personnel, where the more sophisticated poster on here could tell that we were going nowhere fast, that NP can't handle big names, barely has a Plan A, signs dross, and plays boring football. If only we'd had their vision...

[Guest Col city fan]

How this forum can jump the gun! Crikey..

MON achieved 5 top ten finishes and 2 cup trophies didn't he? This was done at Little Filbert Street, backed by not much money, relatively speaking.

Pearson has done wonders at City so far. He's the best manager we've had since MON. But there's a big difference between looking like achieving something and actually achieving it.

When Nige has cemented our spot as an established Prem side and got futher than the first few rounds of any cup, I'll start making the comparison.

[Guest Col city fan]

In my mind he has already eclipsed MON, to win two leagues (yes one was League one) and both convincinly eclipses cup wins in minds eyes because how many players can say they have won a league title.

Which IMO clearly demonstrates some of the general barminess on here. Winning the Championship was superb. But Pearson has not yet achieved anything like O'Neill did.

[Buzzell]

Until he wins a couple of Cups, establishes us into the PL and get us into Europe, then he will overtake O'Neill.

[Les-TA-Jon]

How this forum can jump the gun! Crikey..

MON achieved 5 top ten finishes and 2 cup trophies didn't he? This was done at Little Filbert Street, backed by not much money, relatively speaking.

Pearson has done wonders at City so far. He's the best manager we've had since MON. But there's a big difference between looking like achieving something and actually achieving it.

When Nige has cemented our spot as an established Prem side and got futher than the first few rounds of any cup, I'll start making the comparison.

I agree - there's really not much debate that NP is our best ever manager after MON.

We do, however start to get into really difficult territory in terms of how we go about defining what he needs to achieve in order to eclipse MON. Is it as simple as him delivering the exact same achievements as MON - the aforementioned top half finishes and cup wins?

I'd argue no. It was a different era. The top sides didn't have £200m on the bench. It's really difficult to compare the past and now. Maybe staying up for a few years will be a reasonably equitable achievement. Conversely a cup win nowadays might be less of an achievement given how little emphasis is put on them by top teams?

[leftsideoverhere]

It is difficult to define comparable acheivements. Would staying up in the Premier League for a few seasons be enough? It would make him a very good manager, for sure, but we kind of know that already, unless we're wilfully refusing to pay attention. To qualify as our best ever though, that's tricky. To settle the argument, I guess he'd need to do something that we've not managed before - maybe deliver an FA Cup, or a presence in Europe that goes on long enough to not be a novelty. Obviously a top four finish in today's Premier League would pretty much nail it on, too. One or more of those, and I'll be prepared to take down my poster of Martin O'Neill, or at least make room next to it on the wall.

[Dan]

How this forum can jump the gun! Crikey..

MON achieved 5 top ten finishes and 2 cup trophies didn't he? This was done at Little Filbert Street, backed by not much money, relatively speaking.

Pearson has done wonders at City so far. He's the best manager we've had since MON. But there's a big difference between looking like achieving something and actually achieving it.

When Nige has cemented our spot as an established Prem side and got futher than the first few rounds of any cup, I'll start making the comparison.

 

Fair. I'll say this much though, Sunday gave me a genuine belief that Pearson can eclipse him one day if he stays here long enough.

 

I think Pearson is the man who will deliver us that FA Cup. We simply have to go and get it some time. Being in the Premier League gives us an advantage due to the standard of our team and with so many neglecting the cup, it's a very good chance to do something about filling undoubtedly the biggest gap in our history.

 

If we're sat 10th in January then we should make a serious go at bringing the cup home. Being 10th means you probably won't go down barring a disaster and that you probably won't be qualifying for Europe. I know putting your focus on it doesn't automatically guarantee you'll win it, but it would be nice to have a serious go. Pearson's team has delivered enough memorable moments in the last couple of years to convince me that he might well be the one who can win us the FA Cup too.

 

If Wigan Athletic can win it, so can we.

[Stadt]

Pearson has done more but it's hard to compare that to trophies.

[Corky]

O'Neill was outstanding in the Premier League, making us a top ten side whilst winning trophies and getting to cup finals and Europe. Without major resources in one of the smallest grounds in the division.

 

Pearson has been outstanding outside of the Premier League, breaking records, winning divisions and restoring a club that had fallen into unknown territory. He's started very encouragingly and impressively in the Premier League.

 

He's got a long way to go to match O'Neill's achievements, and it might be tough to repeat or better that, but he's well on the way to becoming a cult hero. I would say that Pearson had a significantly tougher position to take over in than O'Neill, on both occasions.

[Guest Col city fan]

O'Neill was outstanding in the Premier League, making us a top ten side whilst winning trophies and getting to cup finals and Europe. Without major resources in one of the smallest grounds in the division.

Pearson has been outstanding outside of the Premier League, breaking records, winning divisions and restoring a club that had fallen into unknown territory. He's started very encouragingly and impressively in the Premier League.

He's got a long way to go to match O'Neill's achievements, and it might be tough to repeat or better that, but he's well on the way to becoming a cult hero. I would say that Pearson had a significantly tougher position to take over in than O'Neill, on both occasions.

Good post. Wouldn't argue with any of that. Especially the bit about Pearson having a tougher situation to take over. What he did with Sven's utter fookin mess was pretty incredible.

[Dan]

O'Neill was outstanding in the Premier League, making us a top ten side whilst winning trophies and getting to cup finals and Europe. Without major resources in one of the smallest grounds in the division.

 

Pearson has been outstanding outside of the Premier League, breaking records, winning divisions and restoring a club that had fallen into unknown territory. He's started very encouragingly and impressively in the Premier League.

 

He's got a long way to go to match O'Neill's achievements, and it might be tough to repeat or better that, but he's well on the way to becoming a cult hero. I would say that Pearson had a significantly tougher position to take over in than O'Neill, on both occasions.

 

Nice summary. I agree.

 

I think it's very hard to compare the two really.

[ScouseFox]

yes, achievement wise o'neill wins hands down, cups, top 10s, europe etc. but in terms of what they've done for the club they're almost equal imo. one took us from championship big boys to european challengers, the other took us from league one to premier league. hopefully even further! 

[MPH]

12 months ago i scoffed at someone on here who suggested NP was as could as MON. I mentioned potentially he could be... and he's definitely getting there.

 

 

 

 

 

Lets not forget, we are 5 games into his first season in the prem.

 

 

 

I think when he qualifies for Europe 2 seasons in a row, is when he'll do it for me.... Or  a hjigher prem finish.

[Carl the Llama]

I remember the days where he was accused of not having a clue tactically. Now he's a tactician and a messiah.

Love the fickleness of our fans.

Always backed him and always will. Love you Nige

But you never heard that from me so I'd appreciate it if you didn't use my words to make that argument. 

[Bayfox]

I remember the days where he was accused of not having a clue tactically. Now he's a tactician and a messiah.

Love the fickleness of our fans.

Always backed him and always will. Love you Nige

so after yesterday?

I think it got it wrong. sticking with the same 11.

[johnny the fox]

 

"I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one." On his own success.

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there." On the importance of passing the ball to feet.

"We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right." On dealing with players who disagree with him.

"Don't send me flowers when I'm dead. If you like me, send them while I'm alive." After the liver transplant which extended his life.

"Anybody who can do anything in Leicester but make a jumper has got to be a genius." His tribute to Martin O'Neill, who used to manage Leicester City.

"I thought it was my next-door neighbour because I think she felt that if I got something like that I would have to move." Guessing who nominated him for a knighthood.

"I want no epitaphs of profound history and all that type of thing. I contributed. I would hope they would say that, and I would hope somebody liked me." On being remembered.

 

 quotes of clough and what he thought about martin..

[josh_baskin]

Trying to be positive now and it's quickly becoming an age old debate but what can he do to turn this sinking ship around?