Pearson was 100% right

[ealingfox]

Sorry, the poor was a reference to your contribution, not QPR. The QPR that we finished 13 points clear of last season, by the way. And if you honestly think the addition of Ferdinand and the other mercenaries has made them stronger, then you are mental.

 

Yeah but if you don't think that us finishing 9 points ahead of you last season makes us a better side, why would you expect anyone to think that Burnley finishing 13 points ahead of QPR makes Burnley a better side? Your logic, not ours.

[BlackburnClaret]

If I'd said you weren't a better side, that would make perfect sense.

[ealingfox]

If I'd said you weren't a better side, that would make perfect sense.

 

Most of this thread revolves around you disagreeing with our manager making that very point.

[The Doctor]

Sorry, the poor was a reference to your contribution, not QPR. The QPR that we finished 13 points clear of last season, by the way. And if you honestly think the addition of Ferdinand and the other mercenaries has made them stronger, then you are mental.

 

Clearly then you can't read. I quite clearly said they had a better team on paper, which they do - If offered any of their players individually, you'd chose theirs over Burnleys. Frankly I'd choose them over most of Leicesters. What they don't have is the ability to turn that into being a better team on the pitch. Now, back in your hole.

[BlackburnClaret]

Clearly then you can't read. I quite clearly said they had a better team on paper, which they do - If offered any of their players individually, you'd chose theirs over Burnleys. Frankly I'd choose them over most of Leicesters. What they don't have is the ability to turn that into being a better team on the pitch. Now, back in your hole.

So they don't have the ability to be a good team, yet you think they'll stay up. Great logic.

Most of this thread revolves around you disagreeing with our manager making that very point.

I can only assume you haven't read the thread. It revolves around Pearson making classless comments and the hypocrisy after Dyche's pound notes comment.

[BlackburnClaret]

Seriously, between suggesting Jones is as good as Drinkwater, that Cambiasso isn't by far and away better than Dean Marney

I didn't say either of those things by the way. You can't just make stuff up.

[The Doctor]

So they don't have the ability to be a good team, yet you think they'll stay up. Great logic.

I can only assume you haven't read the thread. It revolves around Pearson making classless comments and the hypocrisy after Dyche's pound notes comment.

  

At present they don't, because of their manager - get in a good one who can motivate them and they'll be fine. Which is what I said in the first place. Honestly, I knew lancashites were thick, but this is incredible.

I didn't say either of those things by the way. You can't just make stuff up.

See scousefoxs sig for the drinkwater vs jones comment, and the cambiasso one was either in this thread or the post match thread

[BlackburnClaret]

At present they don't, because of their manager - get in a good one who can motivate them and they'll be fine. Which is what I said in the first place. Honestly, I knew lancashites were thick, but this is incredible.

See scousefoxs sig for the drinkwater vs jones comment, and the cambiasso one was either in this thread or the post match thread

Ah, the not much in it comment, not quite how you've twisted it. Having said that, it is true. And me suggesting that Cambiasso may be over the hill and hasn't proved anything yet this season is me saying that Marney should have played for Madrid and Milan.

[Leicester_Numan]

Just want to preface this by saying I have nothing against Leicester as a football club, city or set of fans (though reading this thread ran that close a couple of times).

I'm a Burnley fan and given it's in the international break I was getting a little club football starved so stumbled over this board and thread with our last game in mind. A few points I'd like to make that seem to be being missed.

Firstly regarding "many pound notes" & "better club on every level" I've seen it said a few times that Pearson was being disrespectful but was right, whereas Dyche was being disrespectful but was wrong. The basis for this seems to be that the two first team squads on that day cost similar amounts in transfer fees (which they didn't but let's ignore that for a second). There seems to be a real lack of understanding of player expenditure, with the majority ignoring player wages altogether.

Your wage bill 2 seasons ago was just under £23 million, I understand you made moves to reduce this but it's not going to have been cut in half in a season and looking at your comings/goings in that time I'd argue it most likely wouldn't have dropped by a quarter either. We don't have our figures any more than we have yours but we were spending £15.4 million 2 seasons ago but made even more effort than yourselves to reduce this. Let's be generous and say we didn't decrease ours (% wise) by any more than you did and you'd still be spending over £6 million more than us on wages alone.

I'd be willing to bet that when the accounts are published in March/April that your wage bill last season would have been one of the top 5 in the league* whereas we'll be somewhere in the middle and that yours outstripped ours by at least the £6 million I've estimated above.

*QPR, Wigan, Leicester, Blackburn Rovers & Nottingham Forest I’d guess

Expenditure is an absolute, being a "better club on every level" is subjective. I guess what I'm saying is if you're going to look at the validity of the statements (regardless of whether they were disrespectful or not) you can't say Pearson was right but Dyche was wrong.

Secondly there’s a lot of messages along the line of "Burnley are going down because they couldn’t beat you at your worst". Irony is a concept that must be lost on some there because we had a left back and a winger playing in central midfield, we were missing both of our best strikers through injury and by the end of the game our top assist maker was stretchered off injured. If Leicester can’t beat Burnley then…

The Burnley-are-shit-and-definitely-going-down attitude I’d expect from long time Premier League plastics but I honestly expected better from fans of a club that has only just returned to this level after a decade’s absence. I get it, to an extent, we had our share that got carried away 5 years ago when we were on (coincidentally) 9 points after 7 games, having beaten Manchester United, but I don’t remember seeing/hearing anyone slagging off our fellow promoted teams or writing anyone off as shit and definitely going to be relegated.

Finally another irony problem in asking why Burnley fans are still whinging about it. You have to go back 5 pages on our Clarets Mad forum to find the topic about Pearson’s comment less than two weeks ago, 7 months on and Dyche’s “many pound notes” is still repeatedly mentioned here. Before you point out I’m commenting on it I’ve posted this response to the messages on this (and the “do they mean us?”) thread, I had no intention of posting until I’d read some of the nonsense being spouted.

Do I think Burnley will survive? I hope so and I think with a fully fit squad we have as good a chance as you. It’s way too early to be halfway sure for either of us. I wish you the very best of it and hope you enjoy the season. At the end of the day even though you spent more money than us you more than deserved the title and were nowhere near QPR's extreme's of money-spunkery so I do hope you stay up (as long as it's not at our expense)

No-one will disagree with you that thanks to the Sven era, our wage bill was ridiculous and had Dyche said "this team has cost/is costing them many pound notes", no-one would have disagreed with him either. His after-match comment was "this side was put together with many pound notes". We can only speculate on what he actually meant but it quite clearly comes across as an ignorant comment on transfer fees which sounded even more ridiculous in a season where we only spent £400k on transfers.

That's why people were so pissed off, it belittled Pearson's achievements in putting this squad together, getting rid of Sven's overpriced, overpaid rubbish and walking the league.

To me, Pearson's comment was a dig back at Dyche and at Lee Hoos, which is why he said every level. If you take it as more than that, and actually meaning what he said, it is a disrespectful comment but whether it's right or not is as you say, subjective

[Oxfordfox83]

God, I can't believe this continues...

Pearson was frustrated because when we beat you, Dyche's only comment was that Leicester were rich so Pearson's job was easy, ignoring the other richer clubs you (and we) had beaten, and exaggerating our relative wealth. It was a comment he went on to repeat in every mention of his own success for the rest of the season. "I've done really well, and since I haven't spent anything I am morally top of the league". It was dull, self aggrandising and lies.

I think you'll find most posters have overtly stated that we like Burnley, would hope they stayed up but that Dyche's efforts last season has soured that.

I think it's possible that you'll stay up if Ings gets back soon-with a decent finisher and a tight defence this league can throw you enough points to keep you ahead of the teams that haemorrhage goals or can't score. You might be down before you get the chance, though, and part of that is poor acquisition and tactical strategy from SD: you knew you would be without your key strikers for a long while.

Personally, I worry about our form against lower table teams. Last year we were wonderful at beating teams we ought to beat-the PL is very different in that anyone can beat anyone and everyone has quality somewhere, but we still need to be more ruthless. Having said that, we were a jumped wall away from 3 pts against you and a very healthy start. You never looked like winning and I'd argue (with NP) that you were lucky to get a point.

His comments were a bit direct and very unlike him, but he has obviously been riled by your bellend of a manager diminishing his achievements at every turn. But this long after the fact, get over it, and turn your attention to Dyche whose comments so far have had the sole purpose of protecting his job when you struggle.

[BlackburnClaret]

God, I can't believe this continues...

Pearson was frustrated because when we beat you, Dyche's only comment was that Leicester were rich so Pearson's job was easy

When you say "only comment" I take it only comment Leicester fans chose to hear, I take it you didn't mean other comments like....

 

 

"I thought a couple of decisions didn't go for us but overall they deserved the win".

"They're a very good side. At full strength I would have liked to have gone toe-to-toe without the challenges we had to our team today. But overall they're there at the top of the table for a reason."

[Mark_w]

This is what happens when people aren't allowed to derail boring threads.

[Guest ttfn]

When you say "only comment" I take it only comment Leicester fans chose to hear, I take it you didn't mean other comments like....

"I thought a couple of decisions didn't go for us but overall they deserved the win".

"They're a very good side. At full strength I would have liked to have gone toe-to-toe without the challenges we had to our team today. But overall they're there at the top of the table for a reason."

Both of those comments you've picked out have him whinging!

[Leicester_Numan]

When you say "only comment" I take it only comment Leicester fans chose to hear, I take it you didn't mean other comments like....

"I thought a couple of decisions didn't go for us but overall they deserved the win".

"They're a very good side. At full strength I would have liked to have gone toe-to-toe without the challenges we had to our team today. But overall they're there at the top of the table for a reason."

The thing is, you look at that comment in isolation, we look at it in addition to a whole season of fans and managers of other clubs still labeling us big spending Leicester while others were spending millions and one in particular showed a complete disregard for FFP and we were bringing in free transfers and reducing the wage bill.

To us, it was the final straw, made worse by being said on tv for everyone to hear.

How annoyed do you think you would be were the situation reversed?

I think you'll find though that Leicester fans in general have no dislike of Burnley but they now have a dislike of Dyche

[BlackburnClaret]

Both of those comments you've picked out have him whinging!

 

You could call it whinging, he'd call it pointing out facts, but they're hardly damning of Nigel as previously suggested. We were both on a roll at that stage and it was hugely frustrating that we went into the game so light.

[foxfanazer]

You could call it whinging, he'd call it pointing out facts, but they're hardly damning of Nigel as previously suggested. We were both on a roll at that stage and it was hugely frustrating that we went into the game so light.

You'd think maybe Dyche would've learnt his lesson his lesson this season and built a squad that can cope with injuries. That's what will cost you imo

[GuestAppearance]

When you say "only comment" I take it only comment Leicester fans chose to hear, I take it you didn't mean other comments like....

 

 

"I thought a couple of decisions didn't go for us but overall they deserved the win".

"They're a very good side. At full strength I would have liked to have gone toe-to-toe without the challenges we had to our team today. But overall they're there at the top of the table for a reason."

 

Also forgetting he said

 

"That's the best team in the division" about Leicester

 

Fair enough you point out he said other things that weren't particularly positive but as I pointed out before you can hardly say there isn't truth in those comments.

 

As a challenge, find something you can take from Pearson's comments last week that (even taken in isolation) are positive about Burnley or Dyche...

 

All I've managed to find is "They came here to be difficult to defeat and they were" - which is a very backhanded compliment or "...but what they do have is spirit".  Are either of those anywhere near as complimentary or positive as the comments Dyche gave in March (even in isolation)?

 

You've (somewhat justifiably) criticised Burnley fans for their claret tinted specs earlier on, maybe try taking off your blue ones?

[ScouseFox]

Also forgetting he said

 

"That's the best team in the division" about Leicester

 

Fair enough you point out he said other things that weren't particularly positive but as I pointed out before you can hardly say there isn't truth in those comments.

 

As a challenge, find something you can take from Pearson's comments last week that (even taken in isolation) are positive about Burnley or Dyche...

 

All I've managed to find is "They came here to be difficult to defeat and they were" - which is a very backhanded compliment or "...but what they do have is spirit".  Are either of those anywhere near as complimentary or positive as the comments Dyche gave in March (even in isolation)?

 

we were by far and away the best team in the division last season. you are shit and came to be difficult to defeat, and were. you had no quality but had spirit. so what both managers said was true. what's the issue here? 

[Babylon]

When you say "only comment" I take it only comment Leicester fans chose to hear, I take it you didn't mean other comments like....

 

 

"I thought a couple of decisions didn't go for us but overall they deserved the win".

"They're a very good side. At full strength I would have liked to have gone toe-to-toe without the challenges we had to our team today. But overall they're there at the top of the table for a reason."

You seem to have missed out the bits where he said...

 

"They got some big decisions go for them today, everything got given today apart from when it counted"

 

When in fact, the only decision that was blatantly wrong, was your player deciding he wanted to hold Vardy by the arm in the box.

[Corky]

Pearson also said Burnley should've had a penalty in the first half. Anyone remember what this incident was about?

[GuestAppearance]

we were by far and away the best team in the division last season. you are shit and came to be difficult to defeat, and were. you had no quality but had spirit. so what both managers said was true. what's the issue here? 

 

I said you were the best team in the division, so did Dyche.  Well done on taking off those blue tinted specs there though, thank you for your amazing insight into Burnley FC.  I'd ask you what game you were watching last week and what you actually know about football and Burnley but it's clear I wouldn't get a halfway intelligent response back.  

 

May I also add my congratulations of living up to the scouse stereotype.  Your dad, I'm sure, would be proud - if your mum had been able to remember who he was and therefore let him know he was a father.

 

You seem to have missed out the bits where he said...

 

"They got some big decisions go for them today, everything got given today apart from when it counted"

 

When in fact, the only decision that was blatantly wrong, was your player deciding he wanted to hold Vardy by the arm in the box.

 

I never denied he said some negative things too but I pointed out the positives because numerous times in this and other threads I've seen comments along the lines of (and I quote) " Dyche's only comment was that Leicester were rich so Pearson's job was easy" - which I've pointed out is blatantly untrue.  I then asked if you could find a single positive comment (even taken in isolation) from Pearson in respect to Burnley from last week, because apparently Dyche is a knob for a mixed post match interview but Pearson's a stand up guy despite last week's...

[Babylon]

I said you were the best team in the division, so did Dyche.  Well done on taking off those blue tinted specs there though, thank you for your amazing insight into Burnley FC.  I'd ask you what game you were watching last week and what you actually know about football and Burnley but it's clear I wouldn't get a halfway intelligent response back.  

 

May I also add my congratulations of living up to the scouse stereotype.  Your dad, I'm sure, would be proud - if your mum had been able to remember who he was and therefore let him know he was a father.

 

 

I never denied he said some negative things too but I pointed out the positives because numerous times in this and other threads I've seen comments along the lines of (and I quote) " Dyche's only comment was that Leicester were rich so Pearson's job was easy" - which I've pointed out is blatantly untrue.  I then asked if you could find a single positive comment (even taken in isolation) from Pearson in respect to Burnley from last week, because apparently Dyche is a knob for a mixed post match interview but Pearson's a stand up guy despite last week's...

I wasn't even replying to you.

[ScouseFox]

haha what a response. i only wanted to know what the issue was with both managers saying things that are true. clearly you've got much deeper, personal issues that you are trying to get off your chest though.

 

yes i watched our game yes we were shit yes you were shit yes pearson was right in what he said, the only dispute is whether he was right to say it. even sean dyche continually agrees with pearson by calling yourselves "the biggest underdogs ever" (ie. you're shit) and saying you "can't compete" (ie. you're shit on every level). 

 

 

 

oh and my dad's not from liverpool so JOKE'S ON YOU 

[BlackburnClaret]

Pearson also said Burnley should've had a penalty in the first half. Anyone remember what this incident was about?

 

I can only think of the incident where Barnes was bundled over on the edge of the box, which I didn't think was a penalty.

[Oxfordfox83]

Also forgetting he said

"That's the best team in the division" about Leicester

Fair enough you point out he said other things that weren't particularly positive but as I pointed out before you can hardly say there isn't truth in those comments.

As a challenge, find something you can take from Pearson's comments last week that (even taken in isolation) are positive about Burnley or Dyche...

All I've managed to find is "They came here to be difficult to defeat and they were" - which is a very backhanded compliment or "...but what they do have is spirit". Are either of those anywhere near as complimentary or positive as the comments Dyche gave in March (even in isolation)?

You've (somewhat justifiably) criticised Burnley fans for their claret tinted specs earlier on, maybe try taking off your blue ones?

For the record, I'm not defending what NP said-I think his frustration spilled over and whether he ever admits it I suspect he'll privately acknowledge that he regrets losing his famously dispassionate approach to appraising games. I'm speculating that the reasons for this go beyond disappointment into a personal beef with Dyche and definitely Hoos.

Hopefully, come May we'll have more lucky points gained, like at Stoke than unlucky points dropped, like against Burnley. Ultimately, it won't be the manager's popular perception that determines either of our seasons, otherwise QPR would be safe.

In the dressing room, boardroom, and training ground, Nigel seems to be on it, and I trust him to find a way to beat defensive teams before long. It's his and his team's performance out of the public eye where it matters, and I think he's got an edge on most managers in the PL. We'll see whether Dyche gets it right this time around, or whether his attitude of "we're small so it's ok if we lose" will end up costing him...