What on the roads has annoyed you today?

[Parafox]

21 hours ago, The Bear said:

At a relative speed of 0.1mph?

 

20 hours ago, tom27111 said:

I sometimes have to drive vehicles that are speed restricted to around 64 mph.

 

I feel so guilty overtaking on a dual carriageway and I literally lean forward and push myself forward whilst screaming at the top of my voice "COME ON, COME ON, YOU CAN DO IT"

 

When I drove HGV's on my rest days from my job, it was horrible trying to overtake a truck limited to 56mph when mine was allowed 58mph. It took miles to get past the slower truck and I was completely aware of the queue building behind me.

Would I cancel the cruise control? No. I had a deadline to meet. If you've only got 9 hours active driving time on your tachograph there's no way I'm not overtaking when I had to get to Newcastle and back.

[The Bear]

2 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

When I drove HGV's on my rest days from my job, it was horrible trying to overtake a truck limited to 56mph when mine was allowed 58mph. It took miles to get past the slower truck and I was completely aware of the queue building behind me.

Would I cancel the cruise control? No. I had a deadline to meet. If you've only got 9 hours active driving time on your tachograph there's no way I'm not overtaking when I had to get to Newcastle and back.

I get what you're saying, but the human brain doesn't calculate speed and distance very well. Plenty of people think a small increase makes a big difference over a couple of hours. In reality it doesn't. 

 

Going 58 mph instead of 56 mph over a 186 mile distance (Leicester to Newcastle) saves a whopping........6.8 mins. So not even a quarter of an hour both ways. 

[Bordersfox]

2 minutes ago, The Bear said:

I get what you're saying, but the human brain doesn't calculate speed and distance very well. Plenty of people think a small increase makes a big difference over a couple of hours. In reality it doesn't. 

 

Going 58 mph instead of 56 mph over a 186 mile distance (Leicester to Newcastle) saves a whopping........6.8 mins. So not even a quarter of an hour both ways. 

One of the best takeaways for me from my speed awareness course.  You aren't saving that much time generally by speeding.

[tom27111]

2 hours ago, The Bear said:

I get what you're saying, but the human brain doesn't calculate speed and distance very well. Plenty of people think a small increase makes a big difference over a couple of hours. In reality it doesn't. 

 

Going 58 mph instead of 56 mph over a 186 mile distance (Leicester to Newcastle) saves a whopping........6.8 mins. So not even a quarter of an hour both ways. 

Mate, if I'm driving from Northampton to Dundee, doing 85 on the motorway makes a massive difference.

 

7 hour drive on the satnav, I can do it in about 6. That's with a couple of quick stops.

[Parafox]

4 hours ago, The Bear said:

I get what you're saying, but the human brain doesn't calculate speed and distance very well. Plenty of people think a small increase makes a big difference over a couple of hours. In reality it doesn't. 

 

Going 58 mph instead of 56 mph over a 186 mile distance (Leicester to Newcastle) saves a whopping........6.8 mins. So not even a quarter of an hour both ways. 

I absolutely agree with you. Totally. It's about perception. The human brain (mine, in this instance) seems to think that overtaking a truck going 2mph slower than me gains me an advantage that doesn't really make any real difference other than I'm ahead of the truck doing 56mph and therefore I'm going to get to (Newcastle) before he will. By x minutes. Daft, really.

I remember many years ago when I was doing my ambulance driver training course, the tutor saying driving from Leicester to London at 80mph would save you 8 mins against driving at 70mph. Just doesn't seem worth the stress but, as you say, it's about that perception that the faster you drive the more time you can save but actually, it's negligible.

[Parafox]

12 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I absolutely agree with you. Totally. It's about perception. The human brain (mine, in this instance) seems to think that overtaking a truck going 2mph slower than me gains me an advantage that doesn't really make any real difference other than I'm ahead of the truck doing 56mph and therefore I'm going to get to (Newcastle) before he will. By x minutes. Daft, really.

I remember many years ago when I was doing my ambulance driver training course, the tutor saying driving from Leicester to London at 80mph would save you 8 mins against driving at 70mph. Just doesn't seem worth the stress but, as you say, it's about that perception that the faster you drive the more time you can save but actually, it's negligible.

That said, as a casual trucker it could take me 20 mins to reverse an artic into a loading bay. It's not easy unless it's your full time job. I remember at a Waitrose store in Manchester, I took so many attempts to reverse onto the loading bay, that even the store manager came out to watch .

Edited 9 July 2023 by Parafox

[The Year Of The Fox]

If speeding doesn’t get you to your destination any quicker, why do emergency services do it on blue lights? 

[The Bear]

3 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

If speeding doesn’t get you to your destination any quicker, why do emergency services do it on blue lights? 

Because in those situations, seconds can sometimes make the difference between life or death. 

[The Bear]

10 hours ago, tom27111 said:

Mate, if I'm driving from Northampton to Dundee, doing 85 on the motorway makes a massive difference.

 

7 hour drive on the satnav, I can do it in about 6. That's with a couple of quick stops.

Yes, in that situation 400 miles is a very significant distance, and will mean much more time saving. And 15 mph is also a large difference in speed. It works out at 61 mins quicker as you say. 

 

But for your average commuter or sales rep travelling 50 miles or less down the carriageway, the difference between 70 and 80 mph is only 5 minutes max. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

11 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Because in those situations, seconds can sometimes make the difference between life or death. 

Exactly 

 

So you do get somewhere quicker by speeding 😅

 

 

 

Also, if you were to over take a dawdler on the roads, maybe someone doing 10mph less than the speed limit, you may look impatient but I’ve lost count of the amount of times where overtaking someone like that has meant that you’ve got through a set of lights and they haven’t. 
 

That’s the ultimate justification in overtaking when that happens 

[The Bear]

12 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Exactly 

 

So you do get somewhere quicker by speeding 😅

 

 

 

Also, if you were to over take a dawdler on the roads, maybe someone doing 10mph less than the speed limit, you may look impatient but I’ve lost count of the amount of times where overtaking someone like that has meant that you’ve got through a set of lights and they haven’t. 
 

That’s the ultimate justification in overtaking when that happens 

Yes, time = distance/speed. That wasn't in dispute. 

 

The discussion was about time saved on long journeys. Beating someone to the lights by passing them going 10 mph quicker is something we've all done. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Exactly 

 

So you do get somewhere quicker by speeding 😅

 

 

 

Also, if you were to over take a dawdler on the roads, maybe someone doing 10mph less than the speed limit, you may look impatient but I’ve lost count of the amount of times where overtaking someone like that has meant that you’ve got through a set of lights and they haven’t. 
 

That’s the ultimate justification in overtaking when that happens 

In reality in almost all cases for just c catch up with the next but of traffic quicker.

 

Sure traveling if 400 miles it might make a difference. But if going to London for example and is not middle of the night quiet on the roads it doesn't make any difference.

[Parafox]

5 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

If speeding doesn’t get you to your destination any quicker, why do emergency services do it on blue lights? 

 

1 hour ago, The Bear said:

Because in those situations, seconds can sometimes make the difference between life or death. 

And we're not talking motorway speeds, but getting through urban and city traffic which can cost several minutes.

[moore_94]

Had a letter in the post today from a Community Speed Watch in Derbyshire saying that my vehicle was monitored exceeding the speed limit

 

Doesn’t actually say what speed I was doing though?

 

Feels like it would be useful info to know even if no further action is being taken as said on the letter

[NAKC20]

39 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Had a letter in the post today from a Community Speed Watch in Derbyshire saying that my vehicle was monitored exceeding the speed limit

 

Doesn’t actually say what speed I was doing though?

 

Feels like it would be useful info to know even if no further action is being taken as said on the letter

May be wrong but isnt a community speed watch basically made up by a group of locals who stand there in the hope that just there presence be enough to slow people down? Pretty sure that if thats the case they dont have any powers to enforce anything its just the hope that the letter acts as a gentle reminder to stick to the speed limit.

[Jabfox]

5 minutes ago, NAKC20 said:

May be wrong but isnt a community speed watch basically made up by a group of locals who stand there in the hope that just there presence be enough to slow people down? Pretty sure that if thats the case they dont have any powers to enforce anything its just the hope that the letter acts as a gentle reminder to stick to the speed limit.

Think you're right 

[FoyleFox]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

Had a letter in the post today from a Community Speed Watch in Derbyshire saying that my vehicle was monitored exceeding the speed limit

 

Doesn’t actually say what speed I was doing though?

 

Feels like it would be useful info to know even if no further action is being taken as said on the letter

 

23 minutes ago, NAKC20 said:

May be wrong but isnt a community speed watch basically made up by a group of locals who stand there in the hope that just there presence be enough to slow people down? Pretty sure that if thats the case they dont have any powers to enforce anything its just the hope that the letter acts as a gentle reminder to stick to the speed limit.

How did they get your address if they are a community group?

[NAKC20]

24 minutes ago, FoyleFox said:

 

How did they get your address if they are a community group?

Its all done with the help of the Police. Think they are proper speed guns and they are trained to use them but have no powers of enforcement. Think even where they set up has to be approved by the police.

[The Bear]

I had one of them once too. Just a bunch of locals with guns. They can't do anything. 

[tom27111]

3 hours ago, The Bear said:

I had one of them once too. Just a bunch of locals with guns. They can't do anything. 

I think the police can from their information if it's persistent. 

 

There's a bunch of them in the next village down from us.

 

Just a bunch of coffin dodging vigilantes with nothing else to do.

 

 

Edited 12 July 2023 by tom27111

[Nod.E]

Motorway near mine is down to 1 lane for a mile or so. There are signs for a good mile before warning that the two left lanes are closed. 

 

Maybe 20% of passing traffic just speeds down the left lane and cuts in at the end.

 

If ever you're in doubt, remember this and never again underestimate the sheer volume of cvnts we live amongst. 

 

I positioned my car half in the left lane, half in the middle lane to block the lane, indicating right, and got dogs abuse. There was literally a sign right in front of me showing that the lane was closed.

 

You'll know if you're in that 20%, so tell me; What makes you more important than everyone else that gets in line? Entitled bell ends to a man, and yes I noticed it was exclusively men.

 

People not merging early is the main reason these lane closures create such bad backlogs.

[FoxesDeb]

2 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Motorway near mine is down to 1 lane for a mile or so. There are signs for a good mile before warning that the two left lanes are closed. 

 

Maybe 20% of passing traffic just speeds down the left lane and cuts in at the end.

 

If ever you're in doubt, remember this and never again underestimate the sheer volume of cvnts we live amongst. 

 

I positioned my car half in the left lane, half in the middle lane to block the lane, indicating right, and got dogs abuse. There was literally a sign right in front of me showing that the lane was closed.

 

You'll know if you're in that 20%, so tell me; What makes you more important than everyone else that gets in line? Entitled bell ends to a man, and yes I noticed it was exclusively men.

 

People not merging early is the main reason these lane closures create such bad backlogs.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but...

 

People merging too early and not using the open lanes are what create the tailbacks, use the lanes while they are open and merge in turn at the point they close.

 

Why would you sit in a queue for a mile looking at two open and empty lanes?

[Jattdogg]

On 09/07/2023 at 04:41, The Bear said:

Yes, in that situation 400 miles is a very significant distance, and will mean much more time saving. And 15 mph is also a large difference in speed. It works out at 61 mins quicker as you say. 

 

But for your average commuter or sales rep travelling 50 miles or less down the carriageway, the difference between 70 and 80 mph is only 5 minutes max. 

The amount of things i could do (including the wife) in that time is staggering. 

 

 

 

[Nod.E]

21 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but...

 

People merging too early and not using the open lanes are what create the tailbacks, use the lanes while they are open and merge in turn at the point they close.

 

Why would you sit in a queue for a mile looking at two open and empty lanes?

One empty lane. Second and third lane fill up with abiding people.

 

Surely it isn't hard to understand that having to let a high volume of cars in at the bottle neck at crawling pace is slower than everyone moving along at a steady pace as they get into line? There then is no requirement to slow down to a stop and traffic flows.

 

Not that it's about that for people that use that left lane anyway. It's faster for them (and you), so bollox to everyone else, right?

[Nod.E]

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/legal/merge-in-turn

 

This clears it up.

 

"Faster, free flowing traffic

If on the other hand you're on a motorway or fast dual carriageway in freeflowing traffic and road signs indicate that your lane is closed up ahead then it's best, and safest to move over early when you've got time to pick a safe gap in the adjacent lane rather than wait until the last second when the line of cones gives you no choice but to move across, possibly forcing other vehicles around you to brake to make space."

 

This applies as there is loads of forewarning on what is a 70mph road. Loads of time to move over before a queue even emerges.