Labour proposes greater ownership powers for football fans

[Buzzell]

Piss off Labour.

[benpicko]

Unfortunate how all of our political parties are laughing stocks right now and the two I'd be most likely to vote for are the biggest ones

[Jordan]

Bash Labour all you'd like, but how many of you don't mind the status quo? And for those that do, how would you go about working towards ensuring that supporters have a stronger voice within their clubs?

We have a discussion currently going in another thread in this forum where plenty of FoxesTalkers are adamant against the PL's proposal to play a league game abroad. I'm asking seriously: how do you plan on making your voice heard on this issue, or any others?

I may have some disagreements with Foxes Trust because I think changes in the football fan experience reflect trends in the economy at large, and that price increases/consumerism/"family friendliness" etc. are not just football phenomena.

But I have to give the Trust credit for their willingness to plug along and keep working despite the drop in profile they've experienced since the administration days. That's why it's a shame that fans that want change are so quick to mock the Trust for things like releasing "sternly-worded letters." Like it or lump it, but the Trust is the best voice you've got, so if you're going to treat your Trust like shit, expect a shit Trust.

Labour politicians who, if they weren't needy for votes, couldn't otherwise give a damn about football, have hastily come up with a deeply flawed plan that's still a million times better than ideas that actual football fans have come up with. That's embarrassing.

Shit or get off the pot. Do something, or stop complaining. Nobody likes a complainer.

[purpleronnie]

If UKIP came out with this people would be wetting their pant, you can't take it too seriously Jordan.

[lgfualol]

**** off labour

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Shock horror, Labour just saying what they think people want to hear without thinking things through.

[benpicko]

Shock horror, Labour just saying what they think people want to hear without thinking things through.

Does a party exist in this country that doesn't do that?

[Strokes]

If UKIP came out with this people would be wetting their pant, you can't take it too seriously Jordan.

Yes that's how it works Ronnie

[cambridgefox]

Labour should keep their money sniffing noses out of places where they don't belong.

in goverment for starters.

[benpicko]

Yes that's how it works Ronnie

In my experience the majority of them don't actually know/don't care about any of their policies beyond the ones on immigration, so is that how it works or is that wrong too?

[Strokes]

In my experience the majority of them don't actually know/don't care about any of their policies beyond the ones on immigration, so is that how it works or is that wrong too?

They might actually engage in a conversation with you, if you stopped belittling them or pigeonholing for a moment. In my experience, it has very little to do with immigration.

[broughtonblue]

Cheap way of trying to get some votes, id rather hear their policies on the economy, or are they planning on bankrupting the country like the last two times they have had power and don't want to tell us?

[Claridge]

'labour interfering in other peoples affairs. Just stick to what you know and fxxk off

Wasting as much money as possible every 8 years or so.

Leeds,Cardiff,Birmingham etc could run the finances better than those clowns

[Foxes_Trust]

Be interested to see who the "supporters" are who wholly own some of the clubs, considering this idea kind of works at lower league levels.

 

But a cheap tactic to get votes doesnt give any proposal credibility

 

Full list is here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Pt1LAEY19lZFROck1JMDhxeHc/view?pli=1

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

Full list is here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Pt1LAEY19lZFROck1JMDhxeHc/view?pli=1

Whats the highlighted ones about?

Edit; Just read it at the bottom, my bad

[Foxes_Trust]

That's a good point. Can see the board attempting to cherry pick the ones that fit their aims quite easily.

 

The proposal is very clear, we have posted Supporters Direct statement on our website http://foxestrust.co.uk/3329/supporters-direct-welcomes-labour-proposals-for-radical-shake-up-of-football#more-3329

 

However another good article about the proposals is here http://www.fcbusiness.co.uk/news/article/newsitem=3498/title=labour+proposes+radical+shake-up+of+football

of specific note "The plan, which has been drawn up in consultation with 95 football supporters’ organisations, would require supporters to come together to form a single accredited trust"

 

The Trust has to be a legal democratic organisation and ran with a published constitution, as the Foxes Trust has been since being formed.

 

We were also one of the 95 organisations referred to, as we contributed to the Parliamentary Culture, Media & Sport Committee Report into football

[davieG]

The proposal is very clear, we have posted Supporters Direct statement on our website http://foxestrust.co.uk/3329/supporters-direct-welcomes-labour-proposals-for-radical-shake-up-of-football#more-3329

 

However another good article about the proposals is here http://www.fcbusiness.co.uk/news/article/newsitem=3498/title=labour+proposes+radical+shake-up+of+football

of specific note "The plan, which has been drawn up in consultation with 95 football supporters’ organisations, would require supporters to come together to form a single accredited trust"

 

The Trust has to be a legal democratic organisation and ran with a published constitution, as the Foxes Trust has been since being formed.

 

We were also one of the 95 organisations referred to, as we contributed to the Parliamentary Culture, Media & Sport Committee Report into football

What other things did the trusts agree on that they wanted taking up other than this ownership.  Have labour or any other party picked up on these issues?

[Fox Ulike]

The proposal is very clear, we have posted Supporters Direct statement on our website http://foxestrust.co.uk/3329/supporters-direct-welcomes-labour-proposals-for-radical-shake-up-of-football#more-3329

 

However another good article about the proposals is here http://www.fcbusiness.co.uk/news/article/newsitem=3498/title=labour+proposes+radical+shake-up+of+football

of specific note "The plan, which has been drawn up in consultation with 95 football supporters’ organisations, would require supporters to come together to form a single accredited trust"

 

The Trust has to be a legal democratic organisation and ran with a published constitution, as the Foxes Trust has been since being formed.

 

We were also one of the 95 organisations referred to, as we contributed to the Parliamentary Culture, Media & Sport Committee Report into football

I think you need more than six members to be considered a "democratic organisation".

[jimmer]

A ridiculous & desperate idea from a ridiculous party. That is all.

[ADK]

What did the Romans ever do for us?

[Strokes]

What did the Romans ever do for us?

Don't talk to me about Romanians.

[Guest MattP]

If UKIP came out with this people would be wetting their pant, you can't take it too seriously Jordan.

UKIP wouldn't come out with something so ridiculous and Jordan lives in the US so I imagine it's hard for him to grasp the depth of feeling people have towards the Labour parties constant desperate opportunism.

The Premier league as a brand has clearly been successful and that's probably because politicians have kept their hands off it.

[benpicko]

UKIP wouldn't come out with something so ridiculous and Jordan lives in the US so I imagine it's hard for him to grasp the depth of feeling people have towards the Labour parties constant desperate opportunism.

The Premier league as a brand has clearly been successful and that's probably because politicians have kept their hands off it.

Have you read their list of proposed policies? There are some I agree with obviously, same with most parties, but to say that none of them are ridiculous is in itself ridiculous. Abolishing the department of energy and climate change? Guaranteeing anybody who's served in the armed forces for 12 years a job in the police force? Preferring a British bill of rights but telling us nothing about how that will differ? Allowing smoking indoors again if the business owners decide to? Allowing businesses to discriminate towards young British people? How about the fact that the last manifesto was so bad that the person who wrote it was fired?

[Foxes_Trust]

What other things did the trusts agree on that they wanted taking up other than this ownership.  Have labour or any other party picked up on these issues?

Here is an article we published back in 2011 about the evidence submitted http://foxestrust.co.uk/866/football-clubs-matter-foxes-trust-and-local-mps-at-parliament

 

If you click on the publications link within the article, you can access all evidence submitted including ours.

 

This was the start point, I'll try and find the article on some of the findings from the CMCS later

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Have you read their list of proposed policies? There are some I agree with obviously, same with most parties, but to say that none of them are ridiculous is in itself ridiculous. Abolishing the department of energy and climate change? Guaranteeing anybody who's served in the armed forces for 12 years a job in the police force? Preferring a British bill of rights but telling us nothing about how that will differ? Allowing smoking indoors again if the business owners decide to? Allowing businesses to discriminate towards young British people? How about the fact that the last manifesto was so bad that the person who wrote it was fired?

Stop avoiding the main issue. If you want to expand on your inept rants, use the appropriate threads.

 

We have an issue on football, and Labours' proposals.