Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Daft lad, was anyone talking to you !It's impossible to let such nonsense pass without retort. If they genuinely wanted him gone he'd be gone, these are people who wiped a 80-90 million debt through personal finance towards the end of last season.
NFPOUT Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 your post is completely true. they cant sack him wthout paying his contract up (and his staff if they were also dismissed). however, your assertion seems to be that the club could not afford this. im afraid thats implausible as our finances are not in such a poor state. from what i heard, none of his staff would stay if the manager went. (btw, that would mean they didnt need to pay them off because they would be resigning). thus no one would be available to take the team at arsenal on the tuesday. as it happens, given that lack of available replacements, i'm fairly relaxed that they changed their minds. god knows who we would have ended up with. however, as i stated earlier, their desire to replace him seems inevitable to me. My assertion is not that they couldn't afford to sack him. A fact that l know but as l keep saying, its your choice if you believe me or not, he is only here still because of financial reasons, they made a mistake regarding the contracts thats why he was reinstated. l promise you that he was sacked and sacked for bringing the club in to disrepute, it seemed just what they where waiting for. You can all try as much as you like to punch holes in this, but its the truth. Do not believe for one minute that senior overruled junior or vice versa, thats not what happened. l'm done on this, you screamers who wish for Pearson to be our manager forever and ever just keep kidding yourselves. It's impossible to let such nonsense pass without retort. If they genuinely wanted him gone he'd be gone, these are people who wiped a 80-90 million debt through personal finance towards the end of last season. That was moving money about, come on ffs.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 You infer that ALL "Pearsonites" think as you do, which simply is not the case. Just look back at some of the posts I can accept that you are using your own logic for keeping him, and that is fair enough, and yes, we all want what is best for Leicester City. It is merely the way we see as going forward, that is different. This is true. Why on earth do people automatically think 'the long term future of the club is better off under Pearson'...? Why is this? We know that Pearson is struggling at this level. We also know that other managers usually don't. Pulis is just one example. Why would Pearson automatically be better than say Allardyce, if he came or maybe even Lennon who would probably relish the chance to take on the Prem? I know that people shed a tear, first of sorrow, then of elation on the night of 'Pearsongate'...but he isn't the Messiah. It could be that he's a good, solid, Championship manager who can't make the next level. Who knows? But as much as Pearson might be the person to take us further, so too may other men. Surely? Why not? And sometimes, horror of horrors, football clubs need a shake up...a fresh face with fresh ideas. Just ask West Brom fans.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 My assertion is not that they couldn't afford to sack him. A fact that l know but as l keep saying, its your choice if you believe me or not, he is only here still because of financial reasons, they made a mistake regarding the contracts thats why he was reinstated. l promise you that he was sacked and sacked for bringing the club in to disrepute, it seemed just what they where waiting for. You can all try as much as you like to punch holes in this, but its the truth. Do not believe for one minute that senior overruled junior or vice versa, thats not what happened. l'm done on this, you screamers who wish for Pearson to be our manager forever and ever just keep kidding yourselves. That was moving money about, come on ffs. As I said before to sack him for that would need a disciplinary procedure that would take some time, in fact he'd have been on gardening leave probably as we speak were that the intention. If you want people to believe what you say you have to make your story realistic. It's a professional football club. You can't sack people for disciplinary issues within a day. Go on then Einstein, tell me where the club's debt was offloaded to?
Danno Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 As I said before to sack him for that would need a disciplinary procedure that would take some time, in fact he'd have been on gardening leave probably as we speak were that the intention. If you want people to believe what you say you have to make your story realistic. It's a professional football club. You can't sack people for disciplinary issues within a day. Go on then Einstein, tell me where the club's debt was offloaded to? You don't get it Matt, he put FACT in his post which of course makes the absolute shite he spouts undeniably true.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 This is true. Why on earth do people automatically think 'the long term future of the club is better off under Pearson'...? Why is this? We know that Pearson is struggling at this level. We also know that other managers usually don't. Pulis is just one example. Why would Pearson automatically be better than say Allardyce, if he came or maybe even Lennon who would probably relish the chance to take on the Prem? I know that people shed a tear, first of sorrow, then of elation on the night of 'Pearsongate'...but he isn't the Messiah. It could be that he's a good, solid, Championship manager who can't make the next level. Who knows? But as much as Pearson might be the person to take us further, so too may other men. Surely? Why not? And sometimes, horror of horrors, football clubs need a shake up...a fresh face with fresh ideas. Just ask West Brom fans. Bad example really. The 'shaking up' of West Brom almost got them relegated from a safe position in mid table. They thought their manager had taken them as far as they could (Clark) and when he went they scrapped up by the skin of their teeth. Another wrong appointment and they were on course for relegation again until finally getting the right man. We aren't in a position in the league, nor financially to roll the dice and gamble like that.
Strokes Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 To those who think Nigel should stay, what would it take for you to sack him?If it looked like he has lost the dressing room, I'd be very concerned but so far, I haven't seen any sign of it.
st albans fox Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Go on then Einstein, tell me where the club's debt was offloaded to? To be brutally honest - the investment has been covered by the PL kitty and parachute payments. Clearly they can't just take the whole 90 mill back in one tranche but given what had been committed to thus far, they are probably two thirds of the way to recouping it. Relegation will probably mean we dont get to see the size of their ambition from a financial perspective. If we survive we can judge that by their summer investment in the squad. There are plenty of vehicles for moving money around within their group. what they did removed a big interest charge from the p+l. Had we stayed in the championship, they could have changed that equity back to debt this year if needs be.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Not denying they are getting a fair portion back, I was responding to the 'money moving about a bit' comment. It's a strange business when you move around 90 million of debt but can't afford to pay off staff on about 5% of that.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Bad example really. The 'shaking up' of West Brom almost got them relegated from a safe position in mid table. They thought their manager had taken them as far as they could (Clark) and when he went they scrapped up by the skin of their teeth. Another wrong appointment and they were on course for relegation again until finally getting the right man. We aren't in a position in the league, nor financially to roll the dice and gamble like that. Good point mate. BUT this is actually what I'm saying. Who knows what would work and what wouldn't? For every gamble that doesn't pay off, there's those that do. When I referred to Brom, I obviously mean this season. Sometimes you roll the dice, you takes your chances. Unless something changes this season, and quick, it's probable the Thais will look back and feel they should have rolled them dice. Relegation, for the club, the fans, the players and for Pearson is bad news. Don't play this down...business-wise, what with the new TV rights coming, if City are relegated this season, it will be massive, financially. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Good point mate. BUT this is actually what I'm saying. Who knows what would work and what wouldn't? For every gamble that doesn't pay off, there's those that do. The average tenure of a football manager is now less than a year so I think it's fair to say the vast majority of the time the gamble doesn't pay off!
Swiss_tony Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The average tenure of a football manager is now less than a year so I think it's fair to say the vast majority of the time the gamble doesn't pay off! the ones for the end of the 2013-2014 season are as follows in years: PL 1.22 Ch 1.93 L1 1.48 L2 1.08 none of those are less than a year.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The average tenure of a football manager is now less than a year so I think it's fair to say the vast majority of the time the gamble doesn't pay off! No it doesn't. It shows that football has become a business, based on shorter term targets. Stop being a dinosaur Mr. P If Pulis and Pardew keep their new clubs up, it will have been a gamble that paid off to the tune of c.100 million pounds. Not only that..It will also mean that their fans can look forward to another season in the top flight. Where is our fans ambition? The will to retain our Premiership status? I don't mean to be rude mate, you're a good lad...but how things are looking, you're attitude could well be relegating us to the second tier, just one year after we finally made it. Or, at least, being accepting of this so easily.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 the ones for the end of the 2013-2014 season are as follows in years: PL 1.22 Ch 1.93 L1 1.48 L2 1.08 none of those are less than a year. I'm going on stats over a longer period.
Swiss_tony Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 I'm going on stats over a longer period. which period, show them to me?? i'm not saying 1.22 is great but as col says there are two reasons to sack. 1 - clubs want to stay in the PL and keep the sky money. 2 - clubs higher up want to push on and get into europe where there's even more money now. the sacking are money driven pure and simple. in the days of bloomfield et al you could be midtable year after year and be safe in your job. with him we never once looked like winning the league, we got to one cup semi and that was it, but fans and owners were satisifed. since the inception of the PL that's all changed because of the money.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 No it doesn't. It shows that football has become a business, based on shorter term targets. Stop being a dinosaur Mr. P If Pulis and Pardew keep their new clubs up, it will have been a gamble that paid off to the tune of c.100 million pounds. Not only that..It will also mean that their fans can look forward to another season in the top flight. Where is our fans ambition? The will to retain our Premiership status? I don't mean to be rude mate, you're a good lad...but how things are looking, you're attitude could well be relegating us to the second tier, just one year after we finally made it. Or, at least, being accepting of this so easily. Short term may be good for a season but it can also be disastrous long term. Portsmouth threw money at things for some short term success, so did Leeds, Forest - the list goes on. We'll only knew who was right and wrong a few years dkent the line. When Redknapp was a Pompey I bet people were raving about the 'gambles' they were taking. I have no problem with anyone saying my attitude will take us down, it may do. It's also important though to say my attitude also led us to last season as I was backing the manager again when many wanted him gone. Didn't West Brom go down and stick with a manager when they were in a position we are now? It's a different situation for them as they were mid table sliding after taking a gamble getting Irvine.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Short term may be good for a season but it can also be disastrous long term. Portsmouth threw money at things for some short term success, so did Leeds, Forest - the list goes on. We'll only knew who was right and wrong a few years dkent the line. When Redknapp was a Pompey I bet people were raving about the 'gambles' they were taking. I have no problem with anyone saying my attitude will take us down, it may do. It's also important though to say my attitude also led us to last season as I was backing the manager again when many wanted him gone. Didn't West Brom go down and stick with a manager when they were in a position we are now? It's a different situation for them as they were mid table sliding after taking a gamble getting Irvine. Matt....stop banging on about bloody Portsmouth! They are ONE club whose finances were mismanaged right down the line. From top to bottom. Leicester are not Portsmouth. Sacking Pearson, for example, after Christmas and bringing in someone else would not have made the club go bust! It could have berm exactly what was needed. Not all clubs are run like Portsmouth was. Thank God.
biggs Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 If we lose this weekend with Pearson playing Wes and also playing to a slightly lesser extent Schwazer, I'd expect Pearson to be on very thin ice with ownership. Not sure he'd have the same job the following week. The straws are adding up!!!
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Good point mate. BUT this is actually what I'm saying. Who knows what would work and what wouldn't? For every gamble that doesn't pay off, there's those that do. When I referred to Brom, I obviously mean this season. Sometimes you roll the dice, you takes your chances. Unless something changes this season, and quick, it's probable the Thais will look back and feel they should have rolled them dice. Relegation, for the club, the fans, the players and for Pearson is bad news. Don't play this down...business-wise, what with the new TV rights coming, if City are relegated this season, it will be massive, financially. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Yes that is spot on. All businesses have to take calculated risks at some point. Keeping Pearson here, given the position he has got us in, would merely be another calculated risk.
Strokes Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Matt....stop banging on about bloody Portsmouth! They are ONE club whose finances were mismanaged right down the line. From top to bottom. Leicester are not Portsmouth. Sacking Pearson, for example, after Christmas and bringing in someone else would not have made the club go bust! It could have berm exactly what was needed. Not all clubs are run like Portsmouth was. Thank God. Are you forgetting our own history? It wasn't that long ago we let our finances go into such a shambles, that we exiled ourselves from top flight football for ten years. The fans talk about Pearson wasting our shot at the big time but they seem quite happy to throw money around just to stay in this forsaken league risking everything. This isn't how I remember football, this isn't what I fell in love with. The passion, is replaced with greed. The pride is replaced with envy. why is everyone so desperate for instant success? No wonder the national team is in such a state with this mentality.
iancognito Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The calculated risk is that if, as looks likely, we go down, Pearson is the best qualified to get us back up because very few AVAILABLE managers have experience in getting a team promoted. He rarely fails at Championship & lower levels and that's where we're on our way to barring a miracle. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see him sacked in the summer so that a new man - Allardyce, Lennon or whoever, gets a full pre-season to bed in and start again. Maybe they've heard that whoever they want to appoint will be available in June, I don't know and the only FACT that anyone knows is that no-one knows what the club will do next or why they U-turned a couple of weeks ago.
SWFOX Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 A lot has been said about Pearson's lack of tactical ability at this level but I think it's simpler than that. He is simply a poor man manager. He seems to have his favourites, he holds grudges, he can't turn players when they are low in confidence and out of form. I have been a supporter of him for what he has done to rebuild the structure of the club, the scouting, the science, the foundation AND for getting his up. But as many of highlighted here his ability to get the best out of elite players and work matches at the highest level is not good enough. We all saw the potential of the team with that performance against Man U and other matches in September. The fact he has not been able to retain a general positive run from that speaks volumes. Time for a change of direction at the end of the season regardless of where we are
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Are you forgetting our own history? It wasn't that long ago we let our finances go into such a shambles, that we exiled ourselves from top flight football for ten years. The fans talk about Pearson wasting our shot at the big time but they seem quite happy to throw money around just to stay in this forsaken league risking everything. This isn't how I remember football, this isn't what I fell in love with. The passion, is replaced with greed. The pride is replaced with envy. why is everyone so desperate for instant success? No wonder the national team is in such a state with this mentality. Why would getting rid of Pearson (either this season or next) equate to throwing money around? Again..relegation this season would equate to not gaining c.100 mill from TV revenue. You can't get a lot more financially disastrous than that.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Why would getting rid of Pearson (either this season or next) equate to throwing money around? Again..relegation this season would equate to not gaining c.100 mill from TV revenue. You can't get a lot more financially disastrous than that. But you talk like we have a choice whether we stay up or not Col, we aren't choosing to go down if we don't sack a manager. It's not a financial disaster at all if we go down, we are supposedly in line with FFP - I think it's pretty clear us and Burnley have approached this season with an attitude of not overspending just to try and survive. Strokes makes a fantastic post above, why has this obsession with trying to survive become so important we're prepared to turn the club upside down for it? I find it bizarre. People are supposed to enjoy following a football club. You get the feeling some will slit their wrists if we go.
Strokes Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Why would getting rid of Pearson (either this season or next) equate to throwing money around? Again..relegation this season would equate to not gaining c.100 mill from TV revenue. You can't get a lot more financially disastrous than that. But gambling to get £100 million, could put the clubs future in jeopardy.
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