The Doctor Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 But we was favorites for promotion? I didn't say to win the league? Well then you don't want to quote outright win odds - you want to quote odds on promotion, and we weren't favourites for that or odds on were we?
HankMarvin Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 But there are 3 places for promotion, so if I went into that bookmaker at the time and said £10 pounds on Leicester to be promoted, there would be 3 other teams with better odds? is that what your suggesting? I don't bet so i'm asking
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Nope. But you would be quoted odds against on Leicester being promoted. And odds on we stayed down. 11-2 gives an over evens price on a top three finish. The bookies thought we were the second best team in the league but they didn't expect us to go up.
HankMarvin Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Nope. But you would be quoted odds against on Leicester being promoted. And odds on we stayed down. 11-2 gives an over evens price on a top three finish. The bookies thought we were the second best team in the league but they didn't expect us to go up. They didnt expect us to win the league or go up at all? surely if your second favorites you are second favorites to get promoted as there are two automatic spots. Anyway I shall take your word for it as I know nothing about betting, I've slightly digressed from the original point, that those odds were prior to NP's appointment. So expectation was set high regardless of who the next manager was.
Dan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Very easy to under-estimate what Pearson did for us in League One. We were down in the dumps when he came in, at our lowest ever point with a pretty shit squad that didn't reflect what they cost. How on earth can anyone say he wasn't the main one behind building that side that pissed League One? You don't have to revamp the entire squad. It's a bit harsh to not give him credit for the turnarounds in players as well - Fryatt & Howard anyone? I wouldn't go as far as saying it was amazing, but we've seen plenty of examples of sides who've stuttered at that level big time. Look at the likes of Charlton, Forest, Sheff Weds, Sheff Utd, Leeds, Preston, Coventry etc...
daddylonglegs Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Wow your level of perspicacity blows me away. DJ Campbell Birmingham £1,600,000 20 Jul, 2007 9 appearances received 1.3m 2 years later went onto score 13 goals in the Premier(2 leagues higher than he was utilized at, although NP didnt play him) then moved again to a premier team Steve Howard Leicester £1,500,000 03 Jan, 2008 49 total appearances under NP following season Matt Oakley Derby £500,000 11 Jan, 2008 2008 49 total appearances under NP following season Stephen Clemence Birmingham £1,000,000 career ending injury "but that investment was shit" "didnt help Nigel" " the team that won league one was mostly put together by Pearson" "Nigel's team went up" out of these "NP transfer" signings Lloyd Dyer MK Dons 43 Starts Nicky Adams Bury 4 Michael Morrison Cambridge 33 Aleksander Tunchev CSKA Sofia 19 Chris Powell Charlton 12 Paul Dickov Man City 4 Loan Cleverley 10 Davies 5 Gilbert 33 A lot of people on this site are dazzled by the people with high post counts like there opinions are gospel, and the old clichés come out about the people that only post now and again during certain times is less valued. My point was, that a squad that is automatically considered favorites for promotion before Person even made a signing is a less arduous task, than leading a side that's not expected to do well and had no investment. People go on about winning league one like it was the Champions league in achievements, then throw the Leeds card out there - neglecting to add they were put into administration. This! So embarrassing watching those who post more than others sucking up to each other
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Was thinking earlier, what with our dross on - field performances and Pearson's sometimes childish off - field antics this season, our position, how much we've spent etc etc....The bulk of our fans really have been quite INCREDIBLY patient with him and the board. Very little disgruntlement has ensued, given all that. Based upon last season's success,.no doubt. If Nige had been appointed City manager at the start of THIS season, he'd have been long gone already I suspect.
st albans fox Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Anyone who has to gets into a pedantic argument about what constitutes being 'favourites' to be promoted has obviously lost the argument some time ago. reading this page was, quite frankly, embarrassing and I do wonder what this place is becoming. is it so difficult to accept someone else's point may be valid rather than yours?
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The year we were relegated we spent 4.6 million 1.5 on Steve Howard who funnily enough you mention in that Pearson done well to finish 5th 2 years later, plus fryatt and hobbs who went on to play in premier league, Gallagher was a former premier league player . And? Just because you've spent money on players doesn't mean you aren't a crap team. We spent a shit load under Sven, but it doesn't mean they all fit together and worked together. You seem be think investment = you're good. It doesn't. I say? or the link to this website in 2007 suggests, its not my opinion it was fact!! Again, And? Just because some idiot thinks we're going to do well doesn't mean we're going to. Misplaced optimism based on spending a few £'s, just as we had again after Sven. The fact is the season before we got relegated we finished 19th, we spent a shed load of cash on a couple of players in the summer and suddenly we're great. One was a crock and the other was always offside. We then spent some money in January on Howard and Oakley but it was too late. I hope this puts into context the sort of squad that went down, just because we remember them as shit it was still unheard of to have that much investment at the time and be relegated, Once again thinking investment instantly = good team. It doesn't, clearly seeing as we got relegated.
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Out of these "NP transfer" signings Lloyd Dyer MK Dons 43 Starts Nicky Adams Bury 4 Michael Morrison Cambridge 33 Aleksander Tunchev CSKA Sofia 19 Chris Powell Charlton 12 Paul Dickov Man City 4 Loan Cleverley 10 Davies 5 Gilbert 33 A lot of people on this site are dazzled by the people with high post counts like there opinions are gospel, and the old clichés come out about the people that only post now and again during certain times is less valued. My point was, that a squad that is automatically considered favorites for promotion before Person even made a signing is a less arduous task, than leading a side that's not expected to do well and had no investment. People go on about winning league one like it was the Champions league in achievements, then throw the Leeds card out there - neglecting to add they were put into administration. What about Hobbs, Brown, Berner, Warner, Martin, Stockdale, Edworthy, Astrit, Bunn, added to the 9 you've already mentioned. 19 players that season in total I believe signed by Pearson on loan and permanent. Supplemented by Mattock, King Gradel from the youth team. With about three regulars in Howard, Fryatt and Oakley from the relegated team who played regularly and a couple of bit part players like Kisnorbo who played 5 games. So yes, the team that played and got promotion was mostly put together by Pearson. You do know what mostly means? I suppose if you miss out 10 people from the list of those he signed it wouldn't look like most of the squad.
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 People care about post counts? Really? Don't talk to me, you've only got 1800 posts. The people who go on about post counts are usually the idiots, funnily enough.
justfoxes Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Some journalist seems to have found the reason for Pearsons rather strange behaviour !! http://www.footyplace.com/features/is-leicester-boss-nigel-pearson-cracking-up-0219310523?
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Some journalist seems to have found the reason for Pearsons rather strange behaviour !! http://www.footyplace.com/features/is-leicester-boss-nigel-pearson-cracking-up-0219310523? Since when does man writing something on the internet = Journalist?
justfoxes Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Since when does man writing something on the internet = Journalist?Ok sorry Mr occupational expert police my mistake !!Some bloke wrote this on the Internet thought I would share it !! How's that Mr know all !!
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Ok sorry Mr occupational expert police my mistake !! Some bloke wrote this on the Internet thought I would share it !! How's that Mr know all !! Yes that's better. Saying it's a journalist gives it some credibility.
Stevosevic Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 With teams directly above us playing each other, the table could look extremely grim by the time we kick off on Sunday.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Was thinking earlier, what with our dross on - field performances and Pearson's sometimes childish off - field antics this season, our position, how much we've spent etc etc....The bulk of our fans really have been quite INCREDIBLY patient with him and the board. Very little disgruntlement has ensued, given all that. Based upon last season's success,.no doubt. If Nige had been appointed City manager at the start of THIS season, he'd have been long gone already I suspect. Col, you have put into words the biggest misunderstanding that bashers have about 'Pearsonites'. Patience. As if we've all been sitting here thinking "well, he's ruining the club, but we owe him two more months until we can get that nice Mr Pulis in." The reason those who support Pearson continue to do so is that, dispassionately, we think him continuing in his role is better for the football club than sacking him. And that's it. We can argue about why we think that (and we do argue), but the reason for the arguments is simply that we think it's best for the club. Over time, this opinion can strengthen, weaken and change (Villa has left me on the brink). But please don't think that people just want to keep Nigel out of sentimentality. If we are influenced by his (and the team's) past performance, that's legitimate, and it's fair to say that without that history and longevity he would probably be gone by now. But we're not idiots, not nostalgists, not patient in the face of relentless logic. Taking everything we know, that we have seen, heard and read, we've formed a conclusion. Might be different from yours, but it's based on the same thing (presumably) as the haters' opinions are based on: what gives Leicester City the best chance of success in future.
Mike Oxlong Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 To those who think Nigel should stay, what would it take for you to sack him?
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Col, you have put into words the biggest misunderstanding that bashers have about 'Pearsonites'. Patience. As if we've all been sitting here thinking "well, he's ruining the club, but we owe him two more months until we can get that nice Mr Pulis in." The reason those who support Pearson continue to do so is that, dispassionately, we think him continuing in his role is better for the football club than sacking him. And that's it. We can argue about why we think that (and we do argue), but the reason for the arguments is simply that we think it's best for the club. Over time, this opinion can strengthen, weaken and change (Villa has left me on the brink). But please don't think that people just want to keep Nigel out of sentimentality. If we are influenced by his (and the team's) past performance, that's legitimate, and it's fair to say that without that history and longevity he would probably be gone by now. But we're not idiots, not nostalgists, not patient in the face of relentless logic. Taking everything we know, that we have seen, heard and read, we've formed a conclusion. Might be different from yours, but it's based on the same thing (presumably) as the haters' opinions are based on: what gives Leicester City the best chance of success in future. Speak for yourself, I just love his cheeky little smile and his shiny white trainers.... what a dream boat. I hope he's here forever, even if we end up in the conference.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Speak for yourself, I just love his cheeky little smile and his shiny white trainers.... what a dream boat. I hope he's here forever, even if we end up in the conference. Shhh! There are *people* here...
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 To those who think Nigel should stay, what would it take for you to sack him? This year always had the potential to be a struggle and we are. We're perhaps 5 points off where I expected us to be, on the edge of 17th/18th, but lets say the ref hadn't robbed us against Liverpool, we'd not conceded a last minute free kick against Burnley and Wes hadn't headed against Cambiasso we'd be about where I expected us to be. I know you can't live off ifs and buts, I just don't feel like we are a million miles away, it's not like we've looked completely hopeless in every game, if we did then clearly I'd feel differently. But to me, it feels like we're so close to being good. What I thought were good performances against Liverpool, Spurs, Palace, Arsenal yielded just one point when it could so easily have been 8. I don't feel like we're a hopeless cause, just lacking a tiny bit to convert those good performances into points. If at any point I feel we're regressing under Pearson then I'd say it's probably time. But it's hard for me to say that when we're in a new much more difficult league and been so close to getting it right enough times to get out of this mess. I appreciate people will see it that those things are his fault, it's just a matter of how each person views it. There is no right or wrong.
Steven Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Was thinking earlier, what with our dross on - field performances and Pearson's sometimes childish off - field antics this season, our position, how much we've spent etc etc....The bulk of our fans really have been quite INCREDIBLY patient with him and the board. Very little disgruntlement has ensued, given all that. Based upon last season's success,.no doubt. If Nige had been appointed City manager at the start of THIS season, he'd have been long gone already I suspect. Quite.
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