That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[Stevosevic]

This could actually work. Been reading about him, turns out he was an apprentice with us in 1977/78, a year behind a G Lineker.

At Brentford, albeit in League 1, he started with 5 wins on the trot, and went 19 league games unbeaten.

Could we cope with that kind of success?

Didn't we end last season with a similar run - Brighton away until Brighton at home?

[Guest MattP]

That's why I said managing Celtic isn't only about getting points and winning the Scottish Prem. It's more than that. It's about managing expectation and a club with a huge fanbase and a global brand.

I maintain, if you do that, you can manage Leicester.

I can't argue with the last sentence though, however I think you can say he was properly provoked..

Twenty years ago I'd agree regarding global fan base managing expectations etc but I don't think it applies in this day and age. Scottish football is barely watched anymore and managing expectation is pretty simple as it's winning the league.

I've not got them on me but I saw some global viewing figures for Scotland a few months ago and even Celtic matches aren't near an average Premier League game anymore.

[Manwell Pablo]

I disagree, getting Brentford to 7th in the Championship is a great achievement certainly, but let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because they're not a big name he didn't inherit a pretty decent Championship standard side (they've got and had some really good players there), and with the momentum of promotion behind them, having them challenging in and around the play-offs, while a very good achievement, is not an absolute miracle. Early signs do suggest he's a good manager, but he's what two years into his first managerial job? He's not achieved more than Nigel Pearson has, and it's very early to tell just how good he is. When we've got a manager with a proven incredibly strong record in the Championship over numerous seasons already, it seems pretty baffling that people want to replace him with someone who has had 14 pretty good months but is still very much unproven.

 

 

Well no as I said it's knee jerk. We are doing badly  he is doing well hence why he is being suggested. 

 

However, to call it out and out stupid is just incorrect as I say I think getting Brentford to were they are is a better on paper achievement that getting us to 20th in the Prem is, is he proven over a longer length of time than Pearson certainly not but what's to say he wouldn't be given the chance. He could go backwards or forwards from here but there is every chance he could go forward. He wouldn't be my first choice but I certainly wouldn't right him off as a stupid suggestion.

 

That squad is nowhere near good enough to challange for a play off place if you ask me but there we are

[st albans fox]

Warburton is leaving brentford because his vision doesn't match that of the owner. The owner wanted to spend money in January to try and cement their place in the top two but warburton didn't want to upset team spirit. Sound familiar? Not sure we would be changing much?

[Manwell Pablo]

That's why I said managing Celtic isn't only about getting points and winning the Scottish Prem. It's more than that. It's about managing expectation and a club with a huge fanbase and a global brand.

I maintain, if you do that, you can manage Leicester.

I can't argue with the last sentence though, however I think you can say he was properly provoked..

 

Managing Celtic without Rangers in the SPL is literally the easiest job in British league football. No matter what your fanbase or stature. 

 

Would you be happy with Ronny Deila?

[MC Prussian]

That's why I said managing Celtic isn't only about getting points and winning the Scottish Prem. It's more than that. It's about managing expectation and a club with a huge fanbase and a global brand.

I maintain, if you do that, you can manage Leicester.

I can't argue with the last sentence though, however I think you can say he was properly provoked..

You can only judge a manager over the course of a reasonably long period of time... Lennon's just started out at Bolton and it remains to be seen whether he actually is as good as you're trying to make him out.

 

I find it somewhat funny that all rationale and criticism is often quickly thrown overboard when talking about past Leicester players. There's obvious bias floating alongside it, no doubt. Let's not forget it took Pearson roughly three to four years to convince the fanbase that he is the man to lead us to the Premier League. And some fans still haven't warmed up to him. Why should we put similar reservations aside for Lennon? Just because?

 

The Scottish Premier League or the standard of football therein is hardly anything to be proud of at the moment - you have one team overshadowing the rest of the league and earning all the glory, to a large extent living off its reputation.

 

It's one thing managing Celtic where everything's pretty much in place and where you're more or less guaranteed finishing first in the league and qualify for a Champions League spot.

Managing in the much more competitive Championship on an extended basis and trying to maintain PL status as a relatively unproven manager at that level another.

[hackneyfox]

Didn't Celtic regularly get knocked out in the first round of the CL? Under Lennon they went much further including beating Barcelona.

Someone knocked him for playing Mills up front the other night, from what I saw of the game he did more in that game than he ever did for us.

[CosbehFox]

This could actually work. Been reading about him, turns out he was an apprentice with us in 1977/78, a year behind a G Lineker.

At Brentford, albeit in League 1, he started with 5 wins on the trot, and went 19 league games unbeaten.

Could we cope with that kind of success?

His lad was also at the academy here. He knows a lot of the staff at the academy including Rudkin. He's very good with the analytic side of scouting, I'd say he's as much as a favourite as anyone if we are talking about an appointment next season.

[CosbehFox]

Warburton is leaving brentford because his vision doesn't match that of the owner. The owner wanted to spend money in January to try and cement their place in the top two but warburton didn't want to upset team spirit. Sound familiar? Not sure we would be changing much?

It's more the the owner trying to sign players above his head rather than not willing to spend money.

[Corky]

Didn't Celtic regularly get knocked out in the first round of the CL? Under Lennon they went much further including beating Barcelona.

Someone knocked him for playing Mills up front the other night, from what I saw of the game he did more in that game than he ever did for us.

 

They reached the second round once in 2012. Out in the third qualifier in 2010, didn't qualify in 2011, group stage in 2013.

[HankMarvin]

Has Tony Pulis never fallen out with a player then? I highly doubt that.

 

I think you're massively underplaying how difficult it is for a manager to get teams 'steam rolling opposition', Nigel Pearson deserves an enormous amount of credit for what he did in basically every full season he's had at the club before this one is. And the reality is you don't know the ins and outs of the Albrighton situation, neither do I, none of us do. Without knowing why it's happening it's difficult to offer much of an opinion on the matter, but all I will say is when similar was being done to Matt Mills (though the Albrighton situation is clearly not to the same extent) and people were complaining it didn't do us too much harm in the long run.tnet

 

Obviously Nigel gets the best out of some players and not out of others. But I think the 2009/10 season tells you all you need to know about how much he is capable of getting out of a squad, bad managers do not get Chris Weale, Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs, Wayne Brown, Bruno Berner, Paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, Andy King, Llloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt and Steve Howard to finish 5th in the Championship. Nor do bad man managers get 102 points in any season in any division, let alone one following an incredibly bad run and major disappointment the season before, it's not like you can just sit there 'put your arm round people' and watch as they demolish an entire division, it does actually take very good management.

 

No i dont the know the in and outs but lets just say if your partner is commenting on your manager its fair to say that its of a mutual opinion rather than risking her own opinion at the expense of her husbands career.

 

"But I think the 2009/10 season tells you all you need to know about how much he is capable of getting out of a squad, bad managers do not get Chris Weale, Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs, Wayne Brown, Bruno Berner, Paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, Andy King, Llloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt and Steve Howard to finish 5th in the Championship"

 

 

Ridiculous comment, how many teams that have momentum go on to do well in their second season after getting promoted are you sure finishing 5th is that much achievement for a team that was expected to finish mid table the year they was relegated

 

Not sure how old you are, but if you have followed Leicester for a long time you would know that the 07-08 season was full of early season optimism and it certainly wasnt a year people were considering relegation.

 

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/41298-allen-on-his-way-out-or-rowing-is-good-for-leicester/

 

That being said, was it such an achievement  to go up and finish 5 with a squad that should never have gone down a season before

 

 

​Wolves and Brentford this year 7th and  8th so far

 

Southampton

2011/2012 2 npower Championship 2nd/24 46 16 4 3 49 18 10 6 7 36 28 26 10 10 85 46 88

2010/2011 3 npower League One   2nd/24 46 16 4 3 44 13 12 4 7 42 25 28 8 10 86 38 92

 

Norwich

2009–10 L1 46 29 8 9 89 47 95         1st R2 R2   Football League Trophy SSF Grant Holt 30^[9]

2010–11 Chmp 46 23 15 8 83 58 84 2nd R3 R2     Grant Holt 23

 

Swansea

2008/2009 2 Coca-Cola Championship 8th/24 46 11 9 3 40 22 5 11 7 23 28 16 20 10 63 50 68

2007/2008 3 Coca-Cola League One 1st/24 46 13 5 5 38 21 14 6 3 44 21 27 11 8 82 42 92

 

 

Charlton

2012/2013 2 npower Championship 9th/24 46 8 6 9 32 34 9 8 6 33 25 17 14 15 65 59 65

2011/2012 3 npower League One 1st/24 46 15 6 2 46 20 15 5 3 36 16 30 11 5 82 36 101

 

 

Brighton

2010–11 League One  46 28 11 7 85 40 95 1st

 2011–12 Championship 46 17 15 14 52 52 66 10th

[Swiss_tony]

True but when they're in similar positions why not stick with the one who is already here, has already done the difficult job of assembling a strong Championship squad and who a lot of us have a fairly strong attachment to. None of these suggestions (at least not the ones that are at all realistic) are an improvement on Nigel Pearson.

so you are happy to go with nigel '1 in 3 promotions'?? it's not guaranteed.

[CosbehFox]

so you are happy to go with nigel '1 in 3 promotions'?? it's not guaranteed.

Yeh I would considering those 2 seasons he didn't get up were both a penalty kick away from Wembley.

[weller54]

Didn't we end last season with a similar run - Brighton away until Brighton at home?

Albrighton?

[Mike Oxlong]

 

Obviously Nigel gets the best out of some players and not out of others. But I think the 2009/10 season tells you all you need to know about how much he is capable of getting out of a squad, bad managers do not get Chris Weale, Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs, Wayne Brown, Bruno Berner, Paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, Andy King, Llloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt and Steve Howard to finish 5th in the Championship.

The mistake was in playing the others with Bruno.

With the right team selection that season we'd have got automatic

Team

Bruno

Subs

None

[Ollie93]

Can someone please explain to me why Knocky hasn't even got a sniff this season?

[Bettsj2]

Has Tony Pulis never fallen out with a player then? I highly doubt that.

I think you're massively underplaying how difficult it is for a manager to get teams 'steam rolling opposition', Nigel Pearson deserves an enormous amount of credit for what he did in basically every full season he's had at the club before this one is. And the reality is you don't know the ins and outs of the Albrighton situation, neither do I, none of us do. Without knowing why it's happening it's difficult to offer much of an opinion on the matter, but all I will say is when similar was being done to Matt Mills (though the Albrighton situation is clearly not to the same extent) and people were complaining it didn't do us too much harm in the long run.

Obviously Nigel gets the best out of some players and not out of others. But I think the 2009/10 season tells you all you need to know about how much he is capable of getting out of a squad, bad managers do not get Chris Weale, Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs, Wayne Brown, Bruno Berner, Paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, Andy King, Llloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt and Steve Howard to finish 5th in the Championship. Nor do bad man managers get 102 points in any season in any division, let alone one following an incredibly bad run and major disappointment the season before, it's not like you can just sit there 'put your arm round people' and watch as they demolish an entire division, it does actually take very good management.

I think Pulis ACTUALLY headbutted James Beattie in the dressing room after a Stoke defeat.

Or did I dream that?

[paulsherwood1]

Big Sam leaving West Ham at the end of the season. It's a no brainer!

[Babylon]

That being said, was it such an achievement  to go up and finish 5 with a squad that should never have gone down a season before

Errr yes... it wasn't a top half quality team that had a blip of a season and went down.

 

We'd not been anywhere near the top 5 or 6 for years. Before the 07/08 season you say there was lots of optimism (blind opimism clearly) we'd finished only finished 15th, 16th and then 19th in 06/07. We'd been slowly slipping down the leagues, appointed several clowns along the way and wasted a load of cash on rubbish.

 

The team that won league one was mostly put together by Pearson, so was the one that finished 5th. They bared little resemblance to the team that got relegated other than a few players.

I think Pulis ACTUALLY headbutted James Beattie in the dressing room after a Stoke defeat.

Or did I dream that?

Ha ha brilliant.

[Babylon]

so you are happy to go with nigel '1 in 3 promotions'?? it's not guaranteed.

Can you point me to someone who can guarantee it? You can't,  but with Pearson I think you're highly likely to be there or there abouts.

[Oxfordfox83]

So long as it is football related - has a bearing on the club -(and not pertaining to his daughter), why should he be reticent?

I think the answer to that is that his decision making process is seriously flawed...irrational and based upon favouritism and misplaced loyalty, and due to that, he finds it very difficult to justify.

Managers should be accountable for their actions. It comes with the job.

Yes, accountable to the owners, and to a lesser extent the press. Not to every idiot who can't find their arse with both hands.

Guess what? Whenever Ferguson lost a match, every bloody armchair in Surrey knew where his selection had gone wrong. When he lost two games in a row, those same armchairs had seen him losing it slowly, and this was proof. Now imagine doing that with a newly promoted side at the bottom of the PL.

I'm not saying he has got everything right, far far from it, but saying that he should explain himself to every Tom, Dick or Harry with a Twitter account or be sacked is utterly ridiculous.

And the 'fan' giving abuse mid-match should have ****ed off and died. Better NP told him straight than having to hear from the corporate machine that everyone is a valued customer entitled to their opinion. One of the best things he's done all season imo.

[Oxfordfox83]

Forget his conduct this season both on and off the pitch, it's not the swearing at fans or strangling players that are the reasons he needs to go, it's Sunday, Sunday was a prime example of how out of his depth he actually is, he IS tactically inept at this level, this man decided that playing five defenders against a side that has scored only 11 goals all season was the right thing to do....that ladies and gentlemen is why he needs to go.

Not sure you watched the game-5 at the back was working fine and we had the best of the game in that shape. Our full backs (the selection of whom was questionable) were freed to go forward and spent most of the time in possession ahead of the midfield. 5 at the back was more like 3. The problem with Sunday was leaving all of Cambiasso, Wes and Mahrez on when they were playing like dogs, selecting Schwarzer and Simpson, and not changing anything even with 10 to go.

There were lots of mistakes on Sunday but the formation wasn't one of them.

[cityfanlee23]

Allardyce would get a Prem job surely? Sunderland perhaps.

 

Warburton is an interesting candidate for us.

 

 

If we got allardyce NOW theres a chance he could be managing a Premier league club next year, if we have another 2 games with Pearson at the helm we don't have a hope in hell....

 

Allardyce would drop down to the champ for the right club, we have ambitious owners, im sure a decent financially we'd be able to compete providing we act fast...

[Mark_w]

No i dont the know the in and outs but lets just say if your partner is commenting on your manager its fair to say that its of a mutual opinion rather than risking her own opinion at the expense of her husbands career.

 

"But I think the 2009/10 season tells you all you need to know about how much he is capable of getting out of a squad, bad managers do not get Chris Weale, Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs, Wayne Brown, Bruno Berner, Paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, Andy King, Llloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt and Steve Howard to finish 5th in the Championship"

 

 

Ridiculous comment, how many teams that have momentum go on to do well in their second season after getting promoted are you sure finishing 5th is that much achievement for a team that was expected to finish mid table the year they was relegated

 

Not sure how old you are, but if you have followed Leicester for a long time you would know that the 07-08 season was full of early season optimism and it certainly wasnt a year people were considering relegation.

 

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/41298-allen-on-his-way-out-or-rowing-is-good-for-leicester/

 

That being said, was it such an achievement  to go up and finish 5 with a squad that should never have gone down a season before

 

 

​Wolves and Brentford this year 7th and  8th so far

 

Southampton

2011/2012 2 npower Championship 2nd/24 46 16 4 3 49 18 10 6 7 36 28 26 10 10 85 46 88

2010/2011 3 npower League One   2nd/24 46 16 4 3 44 13 12 4 7 42 25 28 8 10 86 38 92

 

Norwich

2009–10 L1 46 29 8 9 89 47 95         1st R2 R2   Football League Trophy SSF Grant Holt 30^[9]

2010–11 Chmp 46 23 15 8 83 58 84 2nd R3 R2     Grant Holt 23

 

Swansea

2008/2009 2 Coca-Cola Championship 8th/24 46 11 9 3 40 22 5 11 7 23 28 16 20 10 63 50 68

2007/2008 3 Coca-Cola League One 1st/24 46 13 5 5 38 21 14 6 3 44 21 27 11 8 82 42 92

 

 

Charlton

2012/2013 2 npower Championship 9th/24 46 8 6 9 32 34 9 8 6 33 25 17 14 15 65 59 65

2011/2012 3 npower League One 1st/24 46 15 6 2 46 20 15 5 3 36 16 30 11 5 82 36 101

 

 

Brighton

2010–11 League One  46 28 11 7 85 40 95 1st

 2011–12 Championship 46 17 15 14 52 52 66 10th

 

Mate the reality, rather than what some optimistic fans posted on Foxes Talk before the season began, is that we were absolutely shit in 07/08. Although what that has to do with the conversation I have no idea, the side that went down and the one that came back up were fairly different if you're old enough to remember.

 

I also don't think that Brighton, Charlton and Swansea coming up and finishing outside the play-offs is proof that what Nigel Pearson did was an easy task. Nor do I think Brentford and Wolves coming up with very good squads and currently being outside the play-offs with a few months left is proof of that. Norwich did very well. Southampton had a ridiculously good side even in League One. Nigel Pearson had to get an awful lot out of a very average side in 09/10 to get us where he did and deserves an awful lot of credit for that.

 

And I don't think Albrighton's wife thought she was risking her husbands career, because she thought he was gone. You can't assume they automatically hold the same opinion.

[MC Prussian]

If we got allardyce NOW theres a chance he could be managing a Premier league club next year, if we have another 2 games with Pearson at the helm we don't have a hope in hell....

 

Allardyce would drop down to the champ for the right club, we have ambitious owners, im sure a decent financially we'd be able to compete providing we act fast...

If we got Allardyce now, there's a chance he could get us relegated - however, if we stick with Pearson, he might actually keep us up.

 

It works both ways.