That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[Babylon]

I didnt say it did, I made the point that expectations were higher and its an easier job when there had been investment, whether it be from the players or allowing the manager the flexibility if he offsets said transfers.

If any team has significant investment bookmakers increase there odds of promotion . So based on that I'm guessing that it must be quite evident in history.

What about Hobbs39, Brown 7, Berner21, Warner4, Martin25, Stockdale8, Edworthy5, Astrit0, Bunn3, added to the 9 you've already mentioned. 19 players that season in total I believe signed by Pearson on loan and permanent.

"Supplemented by Mattock, King Gradel from the youth team". Mattock with 25 appearances and king with 4 and 9 as sub the year before

Cleverley 10

Davies 5

Gilbert 33

PLAYER FROM FEE DATE Lloyd Dyer 43apps MK Dons Free 01 Jul, 2008 Nicky Adams 4apps Bury £100,000 01 Jul, 2008 Michael Morrison 33apps Cambridge U Signed 01 Jul, 2008 Aleksander Tunchev 19apps CSKA Sofia £375,000 07 Jul, 2008 Chris Powell 12apps Charlton Free 01 Aug, 2008 Paul Dickov 4 apps Man City Free 07 Aug, 2008 Total: £475,000

Not sure that constitutes pearsons squad over 46 games are you?

and the guy that went on to score 13 goals in the premier league was crap in league one because he was all ways offside and getting the best out of the player clearly wasn't possible by NP and his staff?

Heaven forbid that he may have been mismanaged 2 divisions lower

I'm sorry, does any of disprove what I said? 19 players signed by Pearson that season. The squad was mostly put together by Pearson like I said. Look up the definition of "mostly".

How did Campbell do under the three other managers that had him the season before. Including the man who he scored 13 goals for?

[Babylon]

Maybe they are closer to home than you think

Very touchy when anybody suggests anything anti Nigel, you do know the definition of a forum?

a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

"we hope these pages act as a forum for debate"

Nope I think I was spot on judging by your posts. The fact is nobody cares how many posts you have, if you talk shit people will pull you up on it.

Stick around, post a bit more. I can tell you now people's reaction to you won't change.

I'm well aware it's a forum, you're free to debate and I'm free to point out your mistakes, of which there are many.

[HankMarvin]

I'm sorry, does any of disprove what I said? 19 players signed by Pearson that season. The squad was mostly put together by Pearson like I said. Look up the definition of "mostly".

How did Campbell do under the three other managers that had him the season before. Including the man who he scored 13 goals for?

 

I just listed the appearances out of a maximum of 506 ( of 11 players - thats if he didnt bring on a sub all season) its 268 of the signings you mentioned so nearer to half 

[HankMarvin]

Nope I think I was spot on judging by your posts. The fact is nobody cares how many posts you have, if you talk shit people will pull you up on it.

Stick around, post a bit more. I can tell you now people's reaction to you won't change.

I'm well aware it's a forum, you're free to debate and I'm free to point out your mistakes, of which there are many.

I see it posted a lot actually - "look how many posts they have obviously only come out when the clubs doing bad."

[HankMarvin]

I'm sorry, does any of disprove what I said? 19 players signed by Pearson that season. The squad was mostly put together by Pearson like I said. Look up the definition of "mostly".

How did Campbell do under the three other managers that had him the season before. Including the man who he scored 13 goals for?

again taken out of context

 

heres 

 

Dickov

Adams

Brown

warner

powell

astrit

bunn

edworthy

 

with a grand total of 7% 34 appearances.

 

 

"How did Campbell do under the three other managers that had him the season before. Including the man who he scored 13 goals for?"

 

Was that a rhetorical question?

 

he scored 9 from 20 in the Championship not bad in a higher league? 

[Guest MattP]

Mattp. You really do talk crap. Of course it would be a financial disaster.. To the tune of £150 million

It's only a financial disaster if you can't afford to lose the money.

[Babylon]

I just listed the appearances out of a maximum of 506 ( of 11 players - thats if he didnt bring on a sub all season) its 268 of the signings you mentioned so nearer to half

That's over half so thanks for proving my point. Most = greatest in number.

How much did all those expensive players wrack up out of the 506? A very quick count on my phone says about 150. With the rest from the youth team.

[Babylon]

I see it posted a lot actually - "look how many posts they have obviously only come out the clubs doing bad."

So where did I specifically say that?

[HankMarvin]

That's over half so thanks for proving my point. Most = greatest in number.

How much did all those expensive players wrack up out of the 506?

Yes but you seem to have missed the point, players also come on as potential 3 subs a game which is another 138

 

I didnt say it was all down to the expensive signings I was simply pointing out it wasnt Pearson squad like many people assume which I think I have done by showing nearly half the apps were made by existing squad members

So where did I specifically say that?

I dont recall saying you wrote it?

[HankMarvin]

That's over half so thanks for proving my point. Most = greatest in number.

How much did all those expensive players wrack up out of the 506? A very quick count on my phone says about 150. With the rest from the youth team.

You just said mattock and king were pearsons players 10 minutes ago

 

Also to clarify, I was fully behind NP since his return after all the years of shit weekend after weekend, but the way he has conducted himself on and off the pitch this year leaves a lot to be desired.  

 

it just takes some people longer than others to see the light, love is blind!!!

[Babylon]

Yes but you seem to have missed the point, players also come on as potential 3 subs a game which is another 138

I didnt say it was the the expensive signings I was simply pointing out it wasnt Pearson squad like many people assume

Please do add in the sub appearances, I think it only gets better stat wise for me.

Lets get back on point, I said it was mostly Pearsons squad. Not all, mostly. You said it wasn't, but in numbers and appearances it was.

The expensive inherited players that actually played a major part were Fryatt, Howard and Oakley. The rest played minor roles.

To suggest he benefitted from some great team that we went down with is just wrong. He benefitted from three key players.

His signings and playing the youth team picked up most of the slack.

[Babylon]

You just said mattock and king were pearsons players 10 minutes ago

Also to clarify, I was fully behind NP since his return after all the years of shit weekend after weekend, but the way he has conducted himself on and off the pitch this year leaves a lot to be desired.

it just takes some people longer than others to see the light, love is blind!!!

Errrr no I didn't, I quite clearly stated they were from the youth team.

[HankMarvin]

Errrr no I didn't, I quite clearly stated they were from the youth team.

Supplemented by Mattock, King Gradel from the youth team.

 

insinuating nigel plucked them from there, when it quite clearly wasnt the case on 2 accounts

[HankMarvin]

That's over half so thanks for proving my point. Most = greatest in number.

How much did all those expensive players wrack up out of the 506? A very quick count on my phone says about 150. With the rest from the youth team.

Mostly is considered to be over 70% not just over half

 

hence the expression "just over half"

[HoustonFox]

I love how this thread is called "This has to be it...." and was started on 7 Dec last year and has 76 pages.  Waiting for the Anti-Pearson brigade to start a new thread called "Alright, this is definitely it now #stringercutthroatsignal".

 

Personally, I'm glad he's still here.  Do I agree with everything he does? Team wise on match days and subs, no. Everything else - i.e., training, recruitment, dealing with the press - pretty much.  

 

We have to put it into perspective though, we were never going to have the squad to win the league, yes, we should be safer but if you think about all the players from last season, how many were actually outperforming rather than just realizing their potential.  Also, the team hasn't been as settled as last season to breed any confidence - especially in midfield which I think is weirdly our problem area.  Yes, individual mistakes at the back have cost goals (and games) but if you look at the amount of pressure we sustain on a consistent basis, the dam has to burst as some point.  We play way too many long balls in my opinion (the downside of Ulloa - his goals are great) and far too often we can't recycle play.  I started looking up on Sqawka but it's late on a Friday and I just couldn't be bothered to really dig but an interesting stat is that in 25 games this season we've made almost as many blocks and interceptions as all of last season.  Interceptions fair enough but blocks for me is a big one - I see them as bad. Other stuff like passing accuracy and distance is pretty similar (78% and 20m av last season to 74% and 21m this season - although that 4% adds up )

 

Anyway bottom line is if we make a fist of it, which I think we can with the same set up, wins and some games, I still have the faith we can stay up.

[SecretPro]

I love how this thread is called "This has to be it...." and was started on 7 Dec last year and has 76 pages.  Waiting for the Anti-Pearson brigade to start a new thread called "Alright, this is definitely it now #stringercutthroatsignal".

 

Personally, I'm glad he's still here.  Do I agree with everything he does? Team wise on match days and subs, no. Everything else - i.e., training, recruitment, dealing with the press - pretty much.  

 

We have to put it into perspective though, we were never going to have the squad to win the league, yes, we should be safer but if you think about all the players from last season, how many were actually outperforming rather than just realizing their potential.  Also, the team hasn't been as settled as last season to breed any confidence - especially in midfield which I think is weirdly our problem area.  Yes, individual mistakes at the back have cost goals (and games) but if you look at the amount of pressure we sustain on a consistent basis, the dam has to burst as some point.  We play way too many long balls in my opinion (the downside of Ulloa - his goals are great) and far too often we can't recycle play.  I started looking up on Sqawka but it's late on a Friday and I just couldn't be bothered to really dig but an interesting stat is that in 25 games this season we've made almost as many blocks and interceptions as all of last season.  Interceptions fair enough but blocks for me is a big one - I see them as bad. Other stuff like passing accuracy and distance is pretty similar (78% and 20m av last season to 74% and 21m this season - although that 4% adds up )

 

Anyway bottom line is if we make a fist of it, which I think we can with the same set up, wins and some games, I still have the faith we can stay up.

 

Urgh. We are getting relegated. Stop with all this 'we aint that bad' shit, and especially this 'individual errors' bollocks.

 

I know we all like to remain positive and try and keep the fight alive, but lets not try and polish a turd. Individual errors do not get you anchored at the bottom of the table and cut adrift.

 

Also, training, recrutiment etc yeah it's great yada yada but to be frank, I'd like us to be wining games and not getting relegated else it's all a bit pointless, so **** it. The thais have made the training facilities what they are, with wonga, not Pearson on his hands and knees laying bricks ffs.

[Oxfordfox83]

I love how this thread is called "This has to be it...." and was started on 7 Dec last year and has 76 pages. Waiting for the Anti-Pearson brigade to start a new thread called "Alright, this is definitely it now #stringercutthroatsignal".

Personally, I'm glad he's still here. Do I agree with everything he does? Team wise on match days and subs, no. Everything else - i.e., training, recruitment, dealing with the press - pretty much.

We have to put it into perspective though, we were never going to have the squad to win the league, yes, we should be safer but if you think about all the players from last season, how many were actually outperforming rather than just realizing their potential. Also, the team hasn't been as settled as last season to breed any confidence - especially in midfield which I think is weirdly our problem area. Yes, individual mistakes at the back have cost goals (and games) but if you look at the amount of pressure we sustain on a consistent basis, the dam has to burst as some point. We play way too many long balls in my opinion (the downside of Ulloa - his goals are great) and far too often we can't recycle play. I started looking up on Sqawka but it's late on a Friday and I just couldn't be bothered to really dig but an interesting stat is that in 25 games this season we've made almost as many blocks and interceptions as all of last season. Interceptions fair enough but blocks for me is a big one - I see them as bad. Other stuff like passing accuracy and distance is pretty similar (78% and 20m av last season to 74% and 21m this season - although that 4% adds up )

Anyway bottom line is if we make a fist of it, which I think we can with the same set up, wins and some games, I still have the faith we can stay up.

Couldn't you dig up some stats about the sub appearances of players half a decade ago? That's way more interesting and pertinent....

Lots of good points in your posts-we block because we're not close enough to tackle, and some lynchpins of last season (DD and Vardy especially) have struggled when they looked like they'd flourish. Also, there's still a lot to like in his conduct, despite McArthurgate...

I want to see more flexibility in Pearson-I want to believe that he would make a first half sub if necessary (I don't) and that he'll roll the dice if we're losing late on (I don't). I hated the Villa game, but I'd rather he improved himself given the strengths we know he has (recruitment, players love him, style of play, doesn't play to the press) rather than we recruit someone with flaws we don't know about. He will have learned a lot this season, and at our expense-I'd rather we reaped the rewards of that than see him 'do a Southampton' with someone else...

[SecretPro]

Couldn't you dig up some stats about the sub appearances of players half a decade ago? That's way more interesting and pertinent....

Lots of good points in your posts-we block because we're not close enough to tackle, and some lynchpins of last season (DD and Vardy especially) have struggled when they looked like they'd flourish. Also, there's still a lot to like in his conduct, despite McArthurgate...

I want to see more flexibility in Pearson-I want to believe that he would make a first half sub if necessary (I don't) and that he'll roll the dice if we're losing late on (I don't). I hated the Villa game, but I'd rather he improved himself given the strengths we know he has (recruitment, players love him, style of play, doesn't play to the press) rather than we recruit someone with flaws we don't know about. He will have learned a lot this season, and at our expense-I'd rather we reaped the rewards of that than see him 'do a Southampton' with someone else...

 

Well the season is all but over and he clearly hasn't learnt anything yet.

[Oxfordfox83]

Individual errors do not get you anchored at the bottom of the table and cut adrift

They get you 8 points off 'comfortable' mid table though. We have gifted more baffling chances this season than in the last ten, and you can't suggest players of the experience of Morgan, Konchesky and Schwarzer need coaching to avoid that kind of stupidity.

That might lead you to conclude that the players are feeling too much pressure, which is stifling them, especially against beatable teams. I think this is the case, and something NP should handle better, albeit he is the first manager in my lifetime who has consistently won winnable games before this year.

But however they come about, individual errors have cost us points that make the difference between a safe 14th and a doomed 20th...

[Swiss_tony]

They get you 8 points off 'comfortable' mid table though. We have gifted more baffling chances this season than in the last ten, and you can't suggest players of the experience of Morgan, Konchesky and Schwarzer need coaching to avoid that kind of stupidity.

That might lead you to conclude that the players are feeling too much pressure, which is stifling them, especially against beatable teams. I think this is the case, and something NP should handle better, albeit he is the first manager in my lifetime who has consistently won winnable games before this year.

But however they come about, individual errors have cost us points that make the difference between a safe 14th and a doomed 20th...

correct, they're not good players choosing to  play  bad, they're clearly not good enough for this league.

[The Doctor]

Supplemented by Mattock, King Gradel from the youth team.

 

insinuating nigel plucked them from there, when it quite clearly wasnt the case on 2 accounts

Gradel didn't play before Pearson, king went from about ten professional appearances to a first time regular, only mattock wasn't really one he brought through. You can't claim that pearson didn't rebuild the squad when our regular team was:

Martin

Gilbert

Morrison

Hobbs

Mattock

Dyer

Oakley

King

Gradel

Fryatt

Howard

Only Fryatt, Howard, Oakley and mattock were here before him and regulars, and even in the case of Fryatt he rebuilt a player low on confidence into a 30 goal striker. He might be struggling this season but that's no reason to discredit previous achievements.

[Carl the Llama]

Gradel didn't play before Pearson, king went from about ten professional appearances to a first time regular, only mattock wasn't really one he brought through. You can't claim that pearson didn't rebuild the squad when our regular team was:

Martin

Gilbert

Morrison

Hobbs

Mattock

Dyer

Oakley

King

Gradel

Fryatt

Howard

Only Fryatt, Howard, Oakley and mattock were here before him and regulars, and even in the case of Fryatt he rebuilt a player low on confidence into a 30 goal striker. He might be struggling this season but that's no reason to discredit previous achievements.

This. Or indeed reason to believe he won't learn from his mistakes if we stick with him as mentioned by OxfordFox83.

 

 

Before I get accused of being a post count bumhole licker: I think that The Doctor is a bit of a cvnt most of the time and OxfordFox83's only made 742 posts since March 2012 which is pathetic however you look at it.

[HankMarvin]

Gradel didn't play before Pearson, king went from about ten professional appearances to a first time regular, only mattock wasn't really one he brought through. You can't claim that pearson didn't rebuild the squad when our regular team was:

Martin

Gilbert

Morrison

Hobbs

Mattock

Dyer

Oakley

King

Gradel

Fryatt

Howard

Only Fryatt, Howard, Oakley and mattock were here before him and regulars, and even in the case of Fryatt he rebuilt a player low on confidence into a 30 goal striker. He might be struggling this season but that's no reason to discredit previous achievements.

 

 

Yep all down to Nigel pearson nothing to  with dropping down a level remind me how the 30 goal striker got on the following year?  King also dropped a division and played 10 games prior in the championship so no doubt wouldve been utilized by any manager 

 

 

"You can't claim that pearson didn't rebuild the squad when our regular team was"

 

yes i can look

 

Martin 25

Gilbert 33

Morrison 32

Hobbs 39

Dyer 43

Gradel 16

 

[Carl the Llama]

That's 5 spots unaccounted for.  If you had 11 doughnuts and 5 of them were replaced with smoked salmon bagels, would you still claim you have a box of doughnuts?

[Leicester_Numan]

That's 5 spots unaccounted for. If you had 11 doughnuts and 5 of them were replaced with smoked salmon bagels, would you still claim you have a box of doughnuts?

We'd have a box of MOSTLY doughnuts