Mike Oxlong Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 This year always had the potential to be a struggle and we are. We're perhaps 5 points off where I expected us to be, on the edge of 17th/18th, but lets say the ref hadn't robbed us against Liverpool, we'd not conceded a last minute free kick against Burnley and Wes hadn't headed against Cambiasso we'd be about where I expected us to be. I know you can't live off ifs and buts, I just don't feel like we are a million miles away, it's not like we've looked completely hopeless in every game, if we did then clearly I'd feel differently. But to me, it feels like we're so close to being good. What I thought were good performances against Liverpool, Spurs, Palace, Arsenal yielded just one point when it could so easily have been 8. I don't feel like we're a hopeless cause, just lacking a tiny bit to convert those good performances into points. If at any point I feel we're regressing under Pearson then I'd say it's probably time. But it's hard for me to say that when we're in a new much more difficult league and been so close to getting it right enough times to get out of this mess. I appreciate people will see it that those things are his fault, it's just a matter of how each person views it. Thanks for the reply. I'm genuinely interested in people's perspectives. This season for me is more frustrating because we've not been entirely bad. I feel like a schizophrenic at the moment being quite upbeat after the Arsenal game and gutted, not because we went out,but more for how we went out after Villa. I know it's said that no one has hammered us but I think in a lot of the defeats we have been comfortably second best. The possession stats worry me as do our weaknesses both when attacking and defending set plays. Like you, it's improvement that I need to be convinced of. The difference us is that you are more optimistic than I at the present time.
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 I think in a lot of the defeats we have been comfortably second best. That was always going to happen, even many of the worst teams in this league have squads costing £40/£50/60/70m + The possession stats worry me Possession again I'm not too worried about, we're not drastically different from most teams in the bottom half. Lower quality teams have less possession. weaknesses both when attacking and defending set plays. Don't get me started on that one... I've been banging that drum for about three years Like you, it's improvement that I need to be convinced of. The difference us is that you are more optimistic than I at the present time. Performance wise I'd wager we've been no worse or better that most teams down there. Some good, some bad, some terrible. That's why we're all down there. Where I feel we've failed is when we've had our good games we've not taken advantage thanks to individual errors at both end of the pitch. Kramaric clearly has an eye for goal, if he keeps on scoring, and Huth can prevent some of the basic errors at the back we could still really have a chance.
cc_star Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Was thinking earlier, what with our dross on - field performances and Pearson's sometimes childish off - field antics this season, our position, how much we've spent etc etc....The bulk of our fans really have been quite INCREDIBLY patient with him and the board. Very little disgruntlement has ensued, given all that. Based upon last season's success,.no doubt. If Nige had been appointed City manager at the start of THIS season, he'd have been long gone already I suspect. Signing two players at the going rate for a Premier League side is hardly splashing the cash And it's not even about instant hit spending, it's about long term investment in the playing staff that we're competing against, obviously we have had quite a bit of spending, by Sven, which barely raised us above mid-table mediocrity in the 2nd tier and the vast majority of those have gone, at the expense of NP's investment in his own squad.... sure we're not paupers, but how much have we spent Vs our peers in the likes of West Brom, Stoke, QPR, Sunderland etc over the past 3-5 years?
walkerleeds Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Was thinking earlier, what with our dross on - field performances and Pearson's sometimes childish off - field antics this season, our position, how much we've spent etc etc....The bulk of our fans really have been quite INCREDIBLY patient with him and the board. Very little disgruntlement has ensued, given all that. Based upon last season's success,.no doubt. If Nige had been appointed City manager at the start of THIS season, he'd have been long gone already I suspect. Was thinking this myself actually. I guess people enjoy/ have enjoyed stability at our club for the first time in what feels like forever? I'm still behind him myself but for the first time i'm starting to understand why others aren't.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 To those who think Nigel should stay, what would it take for you to sack him? Be in a worse position than when he took over.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Speak for yourself, I just love his cheeky little smile and his shiny white trainers.... what a dream boat. I hope he's here forever, even if we end up in the conference.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Thanks for the reply. I'm genuinely interested in people's perspectives. This season for me is more frustrating because we've not been entirely bad. I feel like a schizophrenic at the moment being quite upbeat after the Arsenal game and gutted, not because we went out,but more for how we went out after Villa. I know it's said that no one has hammered us but I think in a lot of the defeats we have been comfortably second best. The possession stats worry me as do our weaknesses both when attacking and defending set plays. Like you, it's improvement that I need to be convinced of. The difference us is that you are more optimistic than I at the present time. More like someone suffering from bi-polar disorder?
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Be in a worse position than when he took over. Why??? I don't get that argument at all. Times change, people move on. You are saying that you'd keep Pearson if we finished 21st in the Championship next season? Cmon Matt, think it through
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Why??? I don't get that argument at all. Times change, people move on. You are saying that you'd keep Pearson if we finished 21st in the Championship next season? Cmon Matt, think it through No he's not saying that... because we were 13th when Sven got sacked.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Why??? I don't get that argument at all. Times change, people move on. You are saying that you'd keep Pearson if we finished 21st in the Championship next season? Cmon Matt, think it through What? We were mid table when Pearson took charge, not 21st.
Corky Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Why??? I don't get that argument at all. Times change, people move on. You are saying that you'd keep Pearson if we finished 21st in the Championship next season? Cmon Matt, think it through It is worse than when he took over. If he does stay after relegation then I expect top six minimum and a real shot at automatic promotion, because he is capable and we should put together a decent squad for that level. Having said this, I think he will go before the start of next season whatever division we're in.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 What? We were mid table when Pearson took charge, not 21st. Then make yourself bloody clear man!! I thought you meant when Nigel first took over the club!
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Then make yourself bloody clear man!! I thought you meant when Nigel first took over the club! Nicely deflected col, nicely deflected!
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Then make yourself bloody clear man!! I thought you meant when Nigel first took over the club! Nope. If we were outside the playoffs after a while I'd change, that would be years in the job and no progress made.
st albans fox Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 i genuinely believe that nigel is only still in charge becasue the owners realised that there was no one out there better qualified and available. only survival will keep him in a job here and even that might not be enough if a stand out candidate became available and was interested. of course, time will tell on this as only a few know the truth.
NFPOUT Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 i genuinely believe that nigel is only still in charge becasue the owners realised that there was no one out there better qualified and available. only survival will keep him in a job here and even that might not be enough if a stand out candidate became available and was interested. of course, time will tell on this as only a few know the truth. The only reason he is still in charge is because they couldn't sack him and his staff the other Sunday without paying their contracts up, this is a fact whether you want to believe it or not. They don't want him in charge. I can't prove this nor do l need too, time will bare this out.
hejammy Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 So what game do people think for when it will be mathematically impossible for us to stay up?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Isn't the true test of a manager how they bounce back from defeats, when players are steam rolling opposition i'm sure the team-talk takes care of its self - motivate the troops etc .... arm round the shoulder.... don't have favourites... I think you need to look no further than how Albrightons wife tweeted she was happy when NP was given the alleged sacking. Drinkwater player of the year to a shadow of himself, 9 full 90 min apps in 25 games Dec 14 re: Brown Ideye Ideye" was absolute pants,a total waste of fresh air someone else could be inhaling in his place. A fantastic cross across the face of goal ripe for a centre forward's header and he goes at it like "Hong Kong Phooey" and misses it completely. I wouldn't pay him in washers. £10 million ffs,his agent must've seen us coming. Complete waste of money!!! Have to go along with this. I saw nothing today in his performance to make me think that he s going to be an asset to our side. He is too easily shrugged off the ball, his touch is poor and as for going for that cross with his foot; what was he thinking of? Rosenberg showed far more class in his few starts and just needed a goal. This bloke doesn't. I do hope I'm proved wrong. new manager 2 months later Brown Ideye...an apology! http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2110253020&page=1 Tony Pulis is using the same 'old school' management style he has employed for 23 years - and it's working out for West Brom Since taking over from Alan Irvine, Pulis has won five of his eight games His makes players feel valued and focuses on their strengths Brown Ideye has had his West Brom career turned around by the treatment "You make sure everybody knows what they are expected to do. You make sure everybody feels valued (Albrighton prime example) You ask people to do the things they are good at, and concentrate on making them better still, rather than obsess about their weaknesses." Which leaves the question does NP get the best out of his players?? Remember how good wood was at millwall before he joined There is one heck of a lot of truth in this post. Sums it up nicely.
Corky Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The only reason he is still in charge is because they couldn't sack him and his staff the other Sunday without paying their contracts up, this is a fact whether you want to believe it or not. They don't want him in charge. I can't prove this nor do l need too, time will bare this out. They can spend nearly £10 million on a new player but can't pay off the manager? Ok, the summer spending isn't going to be much to write home about, thanks for warning us.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Col, you have put into words the biggest misunderstanding that bashers have about 'Pearsonites'. Patience. As if we've all been sitting here thinking "well, he's ruining the club, but we owe him two more months until we can get that nice Mr Pulis in." The reason those who support Pearson continue to do so is that, dispassionately, we think him continuing in his role is better for the football club than sacking him. And that's it. We can argue about why we think that (and we do argue), but the reason for the arguments is simply that we think it's best for the club. Over time, this opinion can strengthen, weaken and change (Villa has left me on the brink). But please don't think that people just want to keep Nigel out of sentimentality. If we are influenced by his (and the team's) past performance, that's legitimate, and it's fair to say that without that history and longevity he would probably be gone by now. But we're not idiots, not nostalgists, not patient in the face of relentless logic. Taking everything we know, that we have seen, heard and read, we've formed a conclusion. Might be different from yours, but it's based on the same thing (presumably) as the haters' opinions are based on: what gives Leicester City the best chance of success in future. You infer that ALL "Pearsonites" think as you do, which simply is not the case. Just look back at some of the posts I can accept that you are using your own logic for keeping him, and that is fair enough, and yes, we all want what is best for Leicester City. It is merely the way we see as going forward, that is different.
st albans fox Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The only reason he is still in charge is because they couldn't sack him and his staff the other Sunday without paying their contracts up, this is a fact whether you want to believe it or not. They don't want him in charge. I can't prove this nor do l need too, time will bare this out. your post is completely true. they cant sack him wthout paying his contract up (and his staff if they were also dismissed). however, your assertion seems to be that the club could not afford this. im afraid thats implausible as our finances are not in such a poor state. from what i heard, none of his staff would stay if the manager went. (btw, that would mean they didnt need to pay them off because they would be resigning). thus no one would be available to take the team at arsenal on the tuesday. as it happens, given that lack of available replacements, i'm fairly relaxed that they changed their minds. god knows who we would have ended up with. however, as i stated earlier, their desire to replace him seems inevitable to me.
Babylon Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The only reason he is still in charge is because they couldn't sack him and his staff the other Sunday without paying their contracts up, this is a fact whether you want to believe it or not. They don't want him in charge. I can't prove this nor do l need too, time will bare this out.Cheers Sherlock. Look forward to having Nigel in charge for another three years. Might as well change your username.
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 The only reason he is still in charge is because they couldn't sack him and his staff the other Sunday without paying their contracts up, this is a fact whether you want to believe it or not. They don't want him in charge. I can't prove this nor do l need too, time will bare this out. Different thread, same bollocks. We can spend ten million on a striker but not pay off a manager whose contract would be half that
NFPOUT Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Different thread, same bollocks. We can spend ten million on a striker but not pay off a manager whose contract would be half that Daft lad, was anyone talking to you !
NFPOUT Posted 20 February 2015 Posted 20 February 2015 Cheers Sherlock. Look forward to having Nigel in charge for another three years. Might as well change your username. But the screamers have to reply, grow up.
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