Matt Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Anyone watching the Leeds middlesborough game. Pearson reject bamber looking committed and playing with passion and flair. Shame none of these attributes fit pearsons style otherwise bamber might be doing a job for us now. *Bamba. I liked Sol but he was a clumsy ****er. Everything he did was more through luck than judgement. I'll never forget him taking the ball past 3 or 4 players, he just kinda 'bumbled' his way past them, was very funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 11 in 26, then 2 in 5, not quite a 30 goal season striker Matty Fryatt (F) 26 (3) 11 Between Jan 2006 and July 2008 he scored 13 goals total, then under Pearson he recovered to a 30 goal striker in L1, and then scored 13 goals in all comps the following season, despite missing a February through May as a result of injury. In other words, under Pearsons guidance he got 13 goals in 35, a respectable scoring record, against the absymal 13 goals in 88 appearances before Pearson arrived. Basically Pearson repaired Fryatt from the low on confidence, donkey like striker of 06/07 and 07/08, into a respectable championship striker. Let's not pretend that Pearson didn't do a great job in L1, then in the first season back up. Yes, this season has been a failure, but don't whitewash history to make it seem like he was always awful, because Nigel did an awful lot in turning this club from an expensive laughing stock into a team to be proud of - twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Come off it, he was a liability. More jokers signing up here every day. Yep, why would we want someone big, string and quick who can defend and attack set pieces. We don't want any if that at Leicester.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Between Jan 2006 and July 2008 he scored 13 goals total, then under Pearson he recovered to a 30 goal striker in L1, and then scored 13 goals in all comps the following season, despite missing a February through May as a result of injury. In other words, under Pearsons guidance he got 13 goals in 35, a respectable scoring record, against the absymal 13 goals in 88 appearances before Pearson arrived. Basically Pearson repaired Fryatt from the low on confidence, donkey like striker of 06/07 and 07/08, into a respectable championship striker. Let's not pretend that Pearson didn't do a great job in L1, then in the first season back up. Yes, this season has been a failure, but don't whitewash history to make it seem like he was always awful, because Nigel did an awful lot in turning this club from an expensive laughing stock into a team to be proud of - twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 leicester people like consistent (mediocre) nigel and the stability (blandness) he brings. he did a great job getting us back out of div 3 but surely noone ever saw him as a premier league manager. premier league is worth billions as an entertainment business and there's no place there for the likes of us moulded in nigel's image. as captain of a team that didn't turn up for a fixture and got relegated as a result he's clearly not the brightest bulb in the box. abuses fans and leicester legends which you all haw haw along with, and strangles opposition players. but you've all got your own opinions and as such they are valid.you mediocrity lovers have got your semolina be happy with it but I ceased to be a paying customer when they brought him back Ludicrous. Missed one of our most memorable seasons due to some absurd 'grudge'. And yeah, I'm sure Pearson had a big say in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Yep, why would we want someone big, string and quick who can defend and attack set pieces. We don't want any if that at Leicester.... Come off it, he was a donkey in defence, complete bombscare and no positional awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Come off it, he was a liability. More jokers signing up here every day. And they all seem to be cut from the same (miserable) cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Clearly has overall done some very good things for city, but this season he has been appallingly bad in so many ways, however he has made plenty of mistakes and odd decisions over the years, playing one up front in play offs at home etc, terrible runs he was unable to turn around after too many changes in fa cup game, falling out with fans, players and the press in previous seasons, so perhaps the signs were there and maybe proves he really doesn't learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Come off it, he was a donkey in defence, complete bombscare and no positional awareness. I thought he was pretty decent, yes he scared you times but usually was able to recover, certainly no worse than current centre backs. Not saying there were great defenders but since we got rid of mills and bamba we have been poor at set pieces, the manager hasn't really ever addressed that. PS I know mills was crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Well the season is all but over and he clearly hasn't learnt anything yet. The season isn't over until it's over, so I'd keep the buns in the oven until they're well done. As for "he hasn't learnt anything yet" part - would you care to elaborate? We all know that the season so far has been somewhat disappointing, but realistically, what did you expect? Us pushing for a Europa League spot? If it hadn't been for some clueless behaviour from some of our standalone players, we'd be sitting somewhere closer to 17th and be having this discussion on another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 The season isn't over until it's over, so I'd keep the buns in the oven until they're well done. As for "he hasn't learnt anything yet" part - would you care to elaborate? We all know that the season so far has been somewhat disappointing, but realistically, what did you expect? Us pushing for a Europa League spot? If it hadn't been for some clueless behaviour from some of our standalone players, we'd be sitting somewhere closer to 17th and be having this discussion on another level. Surely every team can mention errors, that's football, and while there are games we have been unlucky not to get points, both our away wins were very lucky so it kinda evens out. If you are bottom as long as we have been then its clear you àre the worst team in the division, and that is what Pearson has built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Surely every team can mention errors, that's football, and while there are games we have been unlucky not to get points, both our away wins were very lucky so it kinda evens out. If you are bottom as long as we have been then its clear you àre the worst team in the division, and that is what Pearson has built. You're talking as if we're not facing any opposition at all in this league. Building a team is one thing and no team is bottom by choice - rarely have I seen us play atrocious football, the majority of games so far we've hold up our own pretty well and the amount of narrow defeats supports that notion. Still, I wonder why we took such a nosedive after Burnley at home and whether that game alone was responsible for our drop in form. Maybe our opposition adjusted better to our style of play? I mean, most PL managers now have been with their respective outfit for quite a long time, there aren't a lot of "newbies". Attacking your own team (or manager) for its shortcomins is one thing, taking the other club(s), their management team and setup into equation another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 The season isn't over until it's over, so I'd keep the buns in the oven until they're well done. As for "he hasn't learnt anything yet" part - would you care to elaborate? We all know that the season so far has been somewhat disappointing, but realistically, what did you expect? Us pushing for a Europa League spot? If it hadn't been for some clueless behaviour from some of our standalone players, we'd be sitting somewhere closer to 17th and be having this discussion on another level. Pure supposition in the last part of your post. Tell me, please, MC, what has Pearson done to earn his fat salary this season? You talk about "standalone" players. Who's job is to correct this? Why aren't they dropped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 A lot of these errors though we're predictable, not all clearly, but we have all known how poor we were at set pieces, yet it wasn't addressed, we knew we needed competition or replacement at left back, we knew we werent going to get 12/13 penalties again and that therefore Nugent was likely to not score many, we knew our midfield lacked mobility, energy and creativity. I can't blame Pearson for us finding it tough, but he has done very little (well) to try and turn it around. It was clear, especially away that our midfield gets over ran, yet we rarely play 3 in centre midfield to be more solid, and when he did try to make us more solid he totally removed all creativity from the team meaning as soon as opposition scored it was game over for us. He just doesn't seem to learn, he goes from odd decision to odd decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 There's probably no point sacking the manager now - though I really don't care. Pearson's pre-season was appalling. And the latest window opened when he had virtually snookered himself. Right from the start I said we'd have no chance of surviving unless we pressed the game and scored enough goals. I even explained some of the "musts" required to do that. But we've rarely ticked those boxes and have hardly threatened to keep up with the goals requirement. Defensively we were always going to make some individual errors but generally we've done okay especially for the amount of pressure we've voluntarily absorbed. But we were never going to succeed by absorbing pressure and hoping for breakaways. Or even more so by playing three at the back...and giving our back line a veteran makeover. We always needed a free-kick specialist and people to get on the end of dead ball situations. That would have given us some of the goals we needed almost for free. Then we needed central midfielders and defenders to supplement the goals of the recognised strikers. Instead we've fallen way short of either and have therefore not threatened goals from enough places. As confidence has slipped and nervousness/desperation crept in, so even excellent chances falling to fairly natural goalscorers have also been wasted while a naturally brilliant manager would have made sure that "belief" remained high and there was always enough bodies getting into and around the box to allow someone to be successful. Perhaps worst of all is that we've rarely pressed the game and offered sufficient collective and effective support to the strikers. Kingy - a natural scorer - has learned only how not to threaten over the last few seasons at Leicester and has given way to others who aren't worth mentioning as natural scorers. Defenders have had so little to worry about because in being able to contain one lone striker and maybe a half-threat from literally one or two other quarters at a time, they've been able to neutralise us so easily when really we should have posed a threat from all over. The question was asked around Christmas whether we'd be relegated and I said "yes" because I just didn't anticipate either a major change of philosophy or that the relegation-threatened teams above us would falter so badly as to make our job easier. And that's how it seems to be working out. Recovering our points deficit not only requires us scoring more often, but also needs the other threatened teams to collect fewer points than us ....yet nothing suggests either will happen. Indeed playing three experienced defenders in a back three makes both requirements a little bit harder because we'll never be able to press the game effectively without leaving ourselves vulnerable. Right now it's as if we're riding a war-weary horse with a serious handicap and with no-one likely to effect a remedy. We have to commit ourselves to scoring goals and supporting towards that purpose. Not just one goal to get us in front but as many goals as we can muster. I've no confidence in us keeping clean sheets consistently so the focus has to be on scoring - as was patently obvious from the start. Unfortunately I think it's too late. We're so desperate now that any lead we get will make us instinctively protect it, and that just won't work often enough, if at all. We have to field the players best able to pressure opponents - and keep pressing them. At the start of the season I said we'd need to average two goals a game. Now I'd take that as minimum. Yet right now we're finding it hard enough to score at all - and that's the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Pure supposition in the last part of your post. Tell me, please, MC, what has Pearson done to earn his fat salary this season? You talk about "standalone" players. Who's job is to correct this? Why aren't they dropped? Is it...? Deducting the own goals, looking past the (sometimes comical) defensive mishaps, we'd be laughing, sitting in 17th. Or would we be laughing? To be frank, I doubt discussions on here would sound any more different: Most fans would be looking at our position from a realistic point of view, while we'd still have the expected influx of Pearson bashers who only flood the board when we're not doing well, with little positive or anything else to say outside of that time frame. I have no clue what Pearson earns per month or per season, but I'd claim he is on less money than the majority of managers in this league. What does it matter how much money gets? I don't care. Are you jealous of the man? It's safe to say we all knew how inexperienced Pearson was/is before the start of the season - would you like to hold that against him? As for players' mistakes - many people are involved in order to work on ironing out mistakes: First of all, the players themselves, then the staff as well as the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsell1976 Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Is this thread still going , same arguments, nothing improves results wise, Pearson's bullet proof no matter how bad he performs. This thread is like the season, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 I'd like MC to explain just how NFP has improved as a manger over the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 I'd like MC to explain just how NFP has improved as a manger over the season. I might come back to this at the end of the season. In the meantime: On what basis do you argue when comparing Pearson's achievements in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Mattp. You really do talk crap. Of course it would be a financial disaster.. To the tune of £150 million If we don't go back up with the parachute payments period...which gives us such an advantage with the FFP rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsell1976 Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 If we don't go back up with the parachute payments period...which gives us such an advantage with the FFP rules.Don't think parachute payments count towards ffp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitcher Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 We all know three teams have to go and if you've got twenty good teams it inevitably means three good teams have to go. We haven't been that bad and the players have let NP down with careless errors, especially Wes. I think if you took our squad as is and put us in the Championship we'd be walking it. God help the likes of 'boro and Bournemouth if they come up. However as much as I want to support NP and think he's probably the right man for next season in the Championship I do reflect on one thing; If you'd swapped NP and Ronald Koeman in August where would we be and where would Southampton be now in the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Is this thread still going , same arguments, nothing improves results wise, Pearson's bullet proof no matter how bad he performs. This thread is like the season, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sitting on the fence then Monsey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 If Pearson had been dismissed in November, as he should have been, we'd be halfway up the table by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 21 February 2015 Share Posted 21 February 2015 Is it...? Deducting the own goals, looking past the (sometimes comical) defensive mishaps, we'd be laughing, sitting in 17th. Or would we be laughing? To be frank, I doubt discussions on here would sound any more different: Most fans would be looking at our position from a realistic point of view, while we'd still have the expected influx of Pearson bashers who only flood the board when we're not doing well, with little positive or anything else to say outside of that time frame. I have no clue what Pearson earns per month or per season, but I'd claim he is on less money than the majority of managers in this league. What does it matter how much money gets? I don't care. Are you jealous of the man? It's safe to say we all knew how inexperienced Pearson was/is before the start of the season - would you like to hold that against him? As for players' mistakes - many people are involved in order to work on ironing out mistakes: First of all, the players themselves, then the staff as well as the manager. I asked the question as to what he has done, to EARN his massive salary this season? No,why should I be jealous? If you had asked me, was I angry, then the answer would have been yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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