Grewks Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 You do realise that the shooting were an attack on the media don't you? They shot those cartoonists/journalists because they didn't like what they wrote and it was intended to frighten other journalists not to do the same. If that's not terrorism what is? 12....is that it? 41 innocent civilians were killed in Iraq yesterday as a result of our own acts of 'Terrorism' in Iraq. So forgive me for not considering the lives of ordinary westerners to be more important than those who are innocent in the East.
lgfualol Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Apparently both are dead. Sadly, it is what they probably wanted, and could influence other ***** that want to be "martyrs".
Webbo Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 12....is that it? 41 innocent civilians were killed in Iraq yesterday as a result of our own acts of 'Terrorism' in Iraq. So forgive me for not considering the lives of ordinary westerners to be more important than those who are innocent in the East. And what's that got to do with your assumption that terrorism doesn't exist?
Webbo Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 French police have stormed two hostage sites in Paris and north of the city, with the hostage takers reported dead. Explosions were heard at a printworks warehouse in Dammartin-en-Goele, where two suspects in the Charlie Hebdo shootings had been holding one hostage. Explosions and gunfire could also be heard at a supermarket in eastern Paris, at Porte de Vincennes, where a gunman had held several hostages. Reports suggest he was linked to the Charlie Hebdo suspects. After the operation started, several hostages could be seen leaving the supermarket. The hostage at the printworks warehouse has also been freed, while a police officer at the scene was injured, AFP news agency said.
Grewks Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 And what's that got to do with your assumption that terrorism doesn't exist? I was merely pointing out that the term 'Terrorism' is often used incorrectly. The acts of Terrorism caused in the past 24 hours in France are being far overhyped and insignificant.
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 12....is that it? 41 innocent civilians were killed in Iraq yesterday as a result of our own acts of 'Terrorism' in Iraq. So forgive me for not considering the lives of ordinary westerners to be more important than those who are innocent in the East. Why do you keep making these utterly mind boggling, stupid comparisons? Last time I checked, there was a war/conflict going on in Iraq. It doesn't make it right, but there are bound to be inevitable, unavoidable casualties/fatalities in the fight against a much bigger evil. We are at peace in the West, which naturally makes it more disgusting and shocking when these terrorists set out to deliberately kill innocent civilians in acts of terror.
Webbo Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 I was merely pointing out that the term 'Terrorism' is often used incorrectly. The acts of Terrorism caused in the past 24 hours in France are being far overhyped and insignificant. I'd say the word was being used in entirely the correct way and it wasn't insignificant to the people involved.
MPH Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 If the paris police have managed to storm both buildings, including the kosher deli, kill all four gunman involved in both hostage situations withouth a single hostage being harmed ( which is what im hearing) Then hats off to them.
RonnieTodger Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 I was merely pointing out that the term 'Terrorism' is often used incorrectly. The acts of Terrorism caused in the past 24 hours in France are being far overhyped and insignificant. How?
Matt Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 If the paris police have managed to storm both buildings, including the kosher deli, kill all three gunman involved in both hostage situations withouth a single hostage being harmed ( which is what im hearing) Then hats off to them. 4 hostages dead at the Kosher Deli.
MPH Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 4 hostages dead at the Kosher Deli. news here in the states must be behind as its still saying all hostages are ok...
Matt Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 news here in the states must be behind as its still saying all hostages are ok... On Sky News they are saying a Police source says atleast four are dead.
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 4 hostages dead at the Kosher Deli. Really? I thought there were only 5 in in there. The pictures showed atleast 4 being freed.
pooleyLCFC Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 17:04 It is still unclear how many hostages were held inside the Paris supermarket but multiple sources are now saying around 10 people were seen running from the building during the police operation to free them. Posted at 17:04 Le Monde reports that the hostage-taker killed in the kosher supermarket in Paris is Amedy Coulibaldy, who was wanted by police over the shootings in Montrouge on Thursday. Off the BBC Live Update Page http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-30722098
Grewks Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 How? There hasn't been a thread created about the 41 innocent civilians killed in Iraq yesterday.....7 of which were killed by Mortar Fire from Western forces. So why do 12 innocent Western Civilians gain priority over 41 innocent eastern civilians? Either due to racism of individuals on here, or the racism of the media.
lgfualol Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 ****. Imagine just doing your food shopping and end up being held hostage or even killed because you were in that supermarket at the wrong time.
Webbo Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 There hasn't been a thread created about the 41 innocent civilians killed in Iraq yesterday.....7 of which were killed by Mortar Fire from Western forces. So why do 12 innocent Western Civilians gain priority over 41 innocent eastern civilians? Either due to racism of individuals on here, or the racism of the media. Why does Leicester City get more coverage in the Leicester Mercury than Stockport County?
MPH Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 There hasn't been a thread created about the 41 innocent civilians killed in Iraq yesterday.....7 of which were killed by Mortar Fire from Western forces. So why do 12 innocent Western Civilians gain priority over 41 innocent eastern civilians? Either due to racism of individuals on here, or the racism of the media. Trying too hard to be different with this one, mate...
Grewks Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Why does Leicester City get more coverage in the Leicester Mercury than Stockport County? See that analogy doesn't really work...... There has been no british involvement in the deaths of the 12 (thus far confirmed) in France....unlike the 41 in Iraq. Trying too hard to be different with this one, mate... Explain to me then why these 12 individuals are of greater importance than the 41 in Iraq.
Webbo Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 See that analogy doesn't really work...... There has been no british involvement in the deaths of the 12 (thus far confirmed) in France....unlike the 41 in Iraq. Explain to me then why these 12 individuals are of greater importance than the 41 in Iraq. You've spoken utter crap through out this thread and now you're just obfuscating and trying to justify yourself. To pretend that it's racist be concerned about mass murder and an attack on our way of life is pathetic. When you're in a hole stop digging.
The Doctor Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 There hasn't been a thread created about the 41 innocent civilians killed in Iraq yesterday.....7 of which were killed by Mortar Fire from Western forces. So why do 12 innocent Western Civilians gain priority over 41 innocent eastern civilians? Either due to racism of individuals on here, or the racism of the media. Iraq is a war-zone, casualties are expected, the attack on Paris was a shocking event that came completely out of the blue - it's like asking why 7/7 got more attention than the deaths in the Afghanistan war that day...
Grewks Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Iraq is a war-zone, casualties are expected, the attack on Paris was a shocking event that came completely out of the blue - it's like asking why 7/7 got more attention than the deaths in the Afghanistan war that day... It is this kind of reaction which I expect to see less of in the coming years when we actually realize what a 'Warzone' is. Iraq is a warzone because of a completely illegal and immoral attack on a culture which is different to ours. The difference now, as has been seen in Australia and more recently in Paris.....we no longer have a traditional warzone. We no longer know our enemy, or where they will strike. I do not condone the attacks in Paris, but the way in which people are so easy to list innocent civilian deaths as 'expected' is extremely worrying.
The Doctor Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 It is this kind of reaction which I expect to see less of in the coming years when we actually realize what a 'Warzone' is. Iraq is a warzone because of a completely illegal and immoral attack on a culture which is different to ours. The difference now, as has been seen in Australia and more recently in Paris.....we no longer have a traditional warzone. We no longer know our enemy, or where they will strike. I do not condone the attacks in Paris, but the way in which people are so easy to list innocent civilian deaths as 'expected' is extremely worrying. Have I jumped back to 2007? No, Iraq is not a warzone because we're attacking a culture different to ours, Iraq is currently a warzone because some wacko-sociopaths are going round killing everyone they don't agree with and the Kurds are fighting them back, with western support. In this case, our involvement is not an illegal and immoral attack on culture, it's defending innocent people from thugs like ISIS. People die when two armies clash is not a news-story, it's obvious. Some nutters go on a killing spree because of a drawing is a bolt from the blue and a news-story. It's as simple as that.
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 It is this kind of reaction which I expect to see less of in the coming years when we actually realize what a 'Warzone' is. Iraq is a warzone because of a completely illegal and immoral attack on a culture which is different to ours. The difference now, as has been seen in Australia and more recently in Paris.....we no longer have a traditional warzone. We no longer know our enemy, or where they will strike. I do not condone the attacks in Paris, but the way in which people are so easy to list innocent civilian deaths as 'expected' is extremely worrying. What I find more worrying is the nonsense you continue to spout. Have a word with yourself and look at what you're actually posting. Afghanistan/Iraq is a warzone, they have a dangerous enemy force that are trying to spread and need to be stopped. It is not illegal nor immoral. Casualties and fatalities will happen. Its a fact of war. The most important thing is that measures are taken to limit this. Ultimately, ISIS etc pose a huge threat to the Western World, as well as the residents in those actual countries. Australia, Paris, France, Britain - these are not warzones, hence why deliberate, disgusting actions by extremists are terrorist attacks and are treated as such. I'm starting to think you've been brainwashed.
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