bovril Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Just to add a bit of balance here, Muslims have been the victims of inter-communal violence at the hands of Hindus in India, countless times, both historically and recently. Historically I'd say it's mostly tit for tat between most religions. I doubt any religion can really claim the title 'most violent'. But having travelled a lot in the Muslim world, as beautiful as it is, the religion itself is definitely in need of some kind of reformation. Also I don't think that Grewks's argument is completely invalid, even if he put it across in quite an awkward way. There's definitely a 'hierarchy of tragedy' in Western media.
1993fox Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Just to add a bit of balance here, Muslims have been the victims of inter-communal violence at the hands of Hindus in India, countless times, both historically and recently. And to add a bit more balance, Sikhs and Hindus have been exterminated out of our native lands in Pakistan while Muslims have grown since 1947 to become the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world, living in more prosperity than Pakistanis themselves.
1993fox Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 You need to get your head out of the sand and get some real help for that anger Tell me... Why do you hate Islam? How about 20 years ago when Islam still existed but there were no 'islamists'? Still a tyrannic ideology then? So you're going to pretend Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Moro Islamic Front didn't exist in 1995? I condemn Islam as an ideology because the Quran is hateful, extremely exclusionary, and when it comes to those who don't accept Islam, it is tyrannic. It has its sensible points, but for the large part it is the religion with scriptures even more hateful than the Bible - so I'm not surprised it is the religion with the most extremists running around. Call me a racist, I'm brown too. Critiquing an ideology doesn't mean you can pull the race card. Oh and inb4 you bring Sikh extremism. Remember that after the Air India attack, Sikhs pulled on funding for pro-Khalistan groups that initially stated they would only fight against the Indian government. We show responsibility for what members of our faith do.
oxford blue Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 "The wife of an al-Qaeda lynchpin who mentored the Charlie Hebdo murderers is living on benefits in Leicester after deciding France was too strict against Muslims": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11337056/Charlie-Hebdo-terror-mentors-wife-on-benefits-in-Leicester.html
MooseBreath Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Wow, the welfare state has hit a new low there. That is absolutely disgusting.
Dr The Singh Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Just to add a bit of balance here, Muslims have been the victims of inter-communal violence at the hands of Hindus in India, countless times, both historically and recently. Just to more balance, They (muslims) also quite radical, powerful and extreme in India: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-30743094 Not to say hindus in India aren't
Dr The Singh Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Yeah, but is Islam democratic? Is jesus in movies white
Matt Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 So I can see this sparking debate and I don't mean it in a derogatory way but I fear people might take it that way, anyway. The girlfriend of the supermarket bloke is on the run, thought to be in Turkey or Syria, I know there is a photo of her unveiled but according to their neighbour she was always in full veil, now obviously if she was using her passport whatever then she'd be identified quite easily but I doubt she has used her passport, wouldn't be the brightest idea would it! But my point is how will people or authorities be able to recognise and identify her should she be wearing the hijab? Just another reason why I am very against the hijab. I always remember I was going through security at an airport and was wearing a cap, I was ordered to remove it yet how do people wearing full veils pass through security?
Dr The Singh Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 "The wife of an al-Qaeda lynchpin who mentored the Charlie Hebdo murderers is living on benefits in Leicester after deciding France was too strict against Muslims": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11337056/Charlie-Hebdo-terror-mentors-wife-on-benefits-in-Leicester.html Her statement of moving so her kids can live in an Islamic environment, confirms what I have said earlier. I'm concerned were creating a vacuum for Islamic extremists to breed. The perpetual cycle of benefits allow people to get money without any sense of contributing to the nation socially or economically
Dr The Singh Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 So I can see this sparking debate and I don't mean it in a derogatory way but I fear people might take it that way, anyway. The girlfriend of the supermarket bloke is on the run, thought to be in Turkey or Syria, I know there is a photo of her unveiled but according to their neighbour she was always in full veil, now obviously if she was using her passport whatever then she'd be identified quite easily but I doubt she has used her passport, wouldn't be the brightest idea would it! But my point is how will people or authorities be able to recognise and identify her should she be wearing the hijab? Just another reason why I am very against the hijab. I always remember I was going through security at an airport and was wearing a cap, I was ordered to remove it yet how do people wearing full veils pass through security? I thought anyone wearing a burka had to go to a room and had to show her face.We're talking about facial recognition, wherever I. Society it is required, it should mean it happens. People In there own home can wear what they like
MC Prussian Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Is jesus in movies white He usually wears a beard - he must be Muslim!!!
Bettsj2 Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Oh ok nice one forgetting fundamentalist Muslims in Maghreb and in Nigeria. Nice one forgetting that violence BASED ON religion in South America is essentially non-existent compared to violence based on Islam all over the world. Tell me the last 5 religious-based attacks in South America off the top of your head? The sort of defence you're giving Islam as an ideology makes it very obvious to me you just don't want to be painted as a racist. Read the Quran one day, look at what it says about those who don't walk on the straight path of Islam, compare it to other Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic religious texts. Trust me, you can critique an ideology and you don't have to be worry about being called a racist. If you've read all of the Quran then i'm a dutchman.All religious texts have 'kill them all' rhetoric in them. I dont know why but if you look for just snapshots then you'll find them and can use them to paint any religion as violent and unhelpful to the world. On the flip side, all religious texts contain peaceful messages promoting everlasting love and harmony. Basically they're all full of shit. The truth is, in life, there are fvcking idiots who will say the cartoonists deserved it. Religion has nothing to do with it. I was in a pub in Cornwall last night (possibly the whitest, brainwashed christian place in the country) and some guys at the bar were saying that they only have themselves to blame for being shot as they deliberatly set out to piss off the terrorists in the name of satire. There were about 6 of them agreeing so by the standards in this post, that represents the views of about 70% of white christians in this country yes? Now look, if you ask me, every single religion in this world has been behind bloodshed and travesty in some form since time began 9/11, 7/7, Paris, Uganda, Anders Breivik, Oklahoma, Crusades, Holocaust, Northern Ireland, pedo priests, blah blah blah. Would the world be better wothout Islam? Wrong question. Would the world be better without religion? Abso****inglutely.
Webbo Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 If you've read all of the Quran then i'm a dutchman. All religious texts have 'kill them all' rhetoric in them. Pretty sure that's not true.
Bettsj2 Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Pretty sure that's not true. Look into it and come back to me. Also read 'Mein Kampf'. You'll be amazed at how much Hitler uses the life of Jesus to justify what would become the Holocaust.
bovril Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 I find the executions in the kosher supermarket extremely disturbing. For all the debates about freedom of speech and the supportive hashtags etc, lets not forget these people were murdered for the simple reason they were Jewish. And this is in 21st century Europe.
leicsmac Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Pretty sure that's not true. No major organised religion has clean hands or clean holy text.
Dr The Singh Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 If you've read all of the Quran then i'm a dutchman. All religious texts have 'kill them all' rhetoric in them. I dont know why but if you look for just snapshots then you'll find them and can use them to paint any religion as violent and unhelpful to the world. On the flip side, all religious texts contain peaceful messages promoting everlasting love and harmony. Basically they're all full of shit. The truth is, in life, there are fvcking idiots who will say the cartoonists deserved it. Religion has nothing to do with it. I was in a pub in Cornwall last night (possibly the whitest, brainwashed christian place in the country) and some guys at the bar were saying that they only have themselves to blame for being shot as they deliberatly set out to piss off the terrorists in the name of satire. There were about 6 of them agreeing so by the standards in this post, that represents the views of about 70% of white christians in this country yes? Now look, if you ask me, every single religion in this world has been behind bloodshed and travesty in some form since time began 9/11, 7/7, Paris, Uganda, Anders Breivik, Oklahoma, Crusades, Holocaust, Northern Ireland, pedo priests, blah blah blah. Would the world be better wothout Islam? Wrong question. Would the world be better without religion? Abso****inglutely. Betts your wrong, not all religious text have kill them all rhetoric, it shows your clumping all other faiths with the abhrahamic streams (judiasm, Christianity, Islam). I can't see in the guru Granth sahib where this is the case, and I'm not sure Buddhism or Jainism would either.
Dr The Singh Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 No major organised religion has clean hands or clean holy text.No country or race either, what's your point.As stated, I can't see anywhere in the guru Granth sahib where mass death or murder, or unclean text are there.
leicsmac Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 No country or race either, what's your point. As stated, I can't see anywhere in the guru Granth sahib where mass death or murder, or unclean text are there. My point is that singling out one particular religion for the texts they have is hypocritical when you consider what the others say too. And as you say, even non religious ideologies have blood on their hands too. Witness North Korea. I think you have a point when you say the Abrahamic religions have possibly the most, though.
Guest MattP Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Look into it and come back to me. Also read 'Mein Kampf'. You'll be amazed at how much Hitler uses the life of Jesus to justify what would become the Holocaust. Buddhist text contains kill them all rhetoric? Pretty sure it doesn't.
Dr The Singh Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 My point is that singling out one particular religion for the texts they have is hypocritical when you consider what the others say too. And as you say, even non religious ideologies have blood on their hands too. Witness North Korea. I think you have a point when you say the Abrahamic religions have possibly the most, though. I think it's fair to say, the motive for majority of religious crimes have something to do with wealth, power, land, women, then actual religious justification. I'm sure of religon was not around, other excuses would have been used. As history has shown, and if you look at the Middle East, rival trible factions are killing each other even though they are the same religion
Webbo Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Look into it and come back to me. Also read 'Mein Kampf'. You'll be amazed at how much Hitler uses the life of Jesus to justify what would become the Holocaust. Mein Kampf isn't the Bible. If you can show me a quote from the new or old testament that's vaguely similar to "kill them all" I'd be surprised. I'm not saying it exists in any other holy book either, including the Koran. I honestly wouldn't know.
DennisNedry Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Personally I dislike all religion but find Islam and Muslims particularly repugnant. repugnant rɪˈpʌɡnənt/ adjective 2. in conflict or incompatible with. That Muslim guy on The Big Questions this morning was a prime example... although the bald black Christian guy outshone him in terms of pure stupidity.
ozleicester Posted 11 January 2015 Posted 11 January 2015 Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
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