MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 If the paris police have managed to storm both buildings, including the kosher deli, kill all four gunman involved in both hostage situations withouth a single hostage being harmed ( which is what im hearing) Then hats off to them. Still would've loved the two/three attackers getting caught alive, put on trial and sentenced to life.
MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Explain to me then why these 12 individuals are of greater importance than the 41 in Iraq. Because they represent an immediate attack on freedom of speech, due to the target chosen by the two attackers - it's a liberal satire weekly. War causes casualties. Period. I don't like it and every civilized person should be firmly against it - but you cannot prevent armed conflict all the times and sometimes, as bitter a pill to swallow, it is necessary. I would love a world without conflict, but the biggest issue/danger factor here is mankind itself. The 41 victims you mention are just a pale number in comparison to the grand number of killed people last year or in the past five to ten years. Or beyond that.
Jon the Hat Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Sadly 4 hostages killed in the Supermarket. Looks like the hostage at the printing company was hiding, either was never a hostage or escaped at the key moment, or indeed they told her to hide then went out shooting. Times like this makes you hope there is an afterlife, and these ****ers just found out there are no virgins waiting.
Guest Bilo Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Sadly 4 hostages killed in the Supermarket. Looks like the hostage at the printing company was hiding, either was never a hostage or escaped at the key moment, or indeed they told her to hide then went out shooting. Times like this makes you hope there is an afterlife, and these ****ers just found out there are no virgins waiting. Or better yet...
The Doctor Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 If I remember rightly, in Arabic it says 72 houri, which could also mean white grapes, which would be an even better outcome.
MPH Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Still would've loved the two/three attackers getting caught alive, put on trial and sentenced to life. Yeah but then they'd spread their crap to a bunch of criminals who could poentially then see alot of western infrastructure as a source of rebellion upon their release, Or stand in a line dishing out mushy peas for the rest of their life. so i see your point.
Rincewind Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Yeah but then they'd spread their crap to a bunch of criminals who could poentially then see alot of western infrastructure as a source of rebellion upon their release, Or stand in a line dishing out mushy peas for the rest of their life. so i see your point. Mushy peas with pork chops.
Bettsj2 Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Mushy peas with pork chops. Urrgh that wouldnt go at all. Oh no hang on.....yeah, I see what you're doing now.
C-man Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 I'm convinced it won't be long before something akin to this happens in the UK and I'm not convinced there are enough brains in the country to prevent it being torn apart. Le Pen wins from this, and that simply amplifies the tragedy.
MC Prussian Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 A very ironic (or rather sardonic) side aspect of the whole story is that one of the policemen killed just after the Charlie Hebdo massacre was actually Muslim, too.
yorkie1999 Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 Wonder how many more of these fvckin lunatics are known to intelligence agencies and are running round in our midst. They should be rounded up and dumped on a desert island in the middle of nowhere.
Jon the Hat Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 A very ironic (or rather sardonic) side aspect of the whole story is that one of the policemen killed just after the Charlie Hebdo massacre was actually Muslim, too. It is telling. These ****ers don't care who they kill.
ADK Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 I think a large part of the problem is Western foreign policy and the Israel - Palestine conflict, then throw in some local issues in the case of France.
Jon the Hat Posted 9 January 2015 Posted 9 January 2015 I think a large part of the problem is Western foreign policy and the Israel - Palestine conflict, then throw in some local issues in the case of France. Foreign policy like don't let ISIS murder innocent people because they aren't Sunnis?
Grewks Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 What I find more worrying is the nonsense you continue to spout. Have a word with yourself and look at what you're actually posting. Afghanistan/Iraq is a warzone, they have a dangerous enemy force that are trying to spread and need to be stopped. It is not illegal nor immoral. Casualties and fatalities will happen. Its a fact of war. The most important thing is that measures are taken to limit this. Ultimately, ISIS etc pose a huge threat to the Western World, as well as the residents in those actual countries. Australia, Paris, France, Britain - these are not warzones, hence why deliberate, disgusting actions by extremists are terrorist attacks and are treated as such. I'm starting to think you've been brainwashed. Actually I think you will find what you post is nonsense. According to you Iraq is a warzone because 'they have a dangerous enemy force that are trying to spread and need to be stopped'. What an absolute load of S***e. We didn't invade Iraq because of ISIS, which you are essentially saying. We invaded Iraq because Bush and Blair created a media story that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction, it had nothing to do with ISIS....it wasn't even a threat at this point. Your justification is actually correct though. There is a dangerous enemy force which is spreading and it does need to be stopped. However, ironically, your decision to back the Iraq invasion/war, which is evident in your post, is the very reason ISIS is expanding and growing. The only people who can be blamed for the Extremist actions taken by radical muslims, with the exception of themselves, is people like you. How many terror attacks similar to 9/11....7/7....the café in Australia, or the attacks in Paris occurred before our decision to destroy the Saddam Hussein regime? Answer - Far far fewer.
hejammy Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Give up mate, I've asked this numerous times and never get a response or if I do it's a piss poor lie about how no one actually knew. Muslims seem to be able to argue black is white with a completely straight face. I know the guys language is pretty poor, but just to prove a point to Matt,https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=794512987269573&set=vb.100001326369053&type=2&theater&refid=17 Another 'normal' Muslim equally disgusted by the behaviour of these terrorists and speaking out against them.
ADK Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Foreign policy like don't let ISIS murder innocent people because they aren't Sunnis? No, foreign policy like supporting Israel. Our handling of the Afghanistan intervention. Not respecting territorial borders. Torturing and indefinitely detaining terrorist suspects without trial. An illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. Taking sides in a number of civil wars, possibly having a hand in starting them. Being hypocritical in our stance on certain regimes.
1993fox Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 'Oh they kill Muslims too so they don't care!!1' Doesn't mean Islam as a tyrannic ideology isn't contributing to their extremism.
hejammy Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 'Oh they kill Muslims too so they don't care!!1' Doesn't mean Islam as a tyrannic ideology isn't contributing to their extremism. You need to get your head out of the sand and get some real help for that anger Tell me... Why do you hate Islam? How about 20 years ago when Islam still existed but there were no 'islamists'? Still a tyrannic ideology then?
foxinexile Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 You need to get your head out of the sand and get some real help for that anger Tell me... Why do you hate Islam? How about 20 years ago when Islam still existed but there were no 'islamists'? Still a tyrannic ideology then? Twenty years years ago you don't think there was any Islamic extremism? Really? Al-Qaeda didn't spring into existence on the 11th September 2001. The GIA carried out a wave of terrorist attacks in the 1990's and beyond in Algeria and what is their desired aim? To overthrow the Algerian government and establish an Islamic state. Now, where have I heard that ideology recently ... If you seriously think that Islamic terrorism (and yes, it is Islamic and it is terrorism) didn't exist twenty years ago, I'm afraid it's you that needs to get your head out of the sand.
The Doctor Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 You need to get your head out of the sand and get some real help for that anger Tell me... Why do you hate Islam? How about 20 years ago when Islam still existed but there were no 'islamists'? Still a tyrannic ideology then? An ideology that calls for people to be executed for leaving it is a tyrannical ideology, regardless of whether they're blowing people up.
The Doctor Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Actually I think you will find what you post is nonsense. According to you Iraq is a warzone because 'they have a dangerous enemy force that are trying to spread and need to be stopped'. What an absolute load of S***e. We didn't invade Iraq because of ISIS, which you are essentially saying. We invaded Iraq because Bush and Blair created a media story that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction, it had nothing to do with ISIS....it wasn't even a threat at this point. Your justification is actually correct though. There is a dangerous enemy force which is spreading and it does need to be stopped. However, ironically, your decision to back the Iraq invasion/war, which is evident in your post, is the very reason ISIS is expanding and growing. The only people who can be blamed for the Extremist actions taken by radical muslims, with the exception of themselves, is people like you. How many terror attacks similar to 9/11....7/7....the café in Australia, or the attacks in Paris occurred before our decision to destroy the Saddam Hussein regime? Answer - Far far fewer. Christ you're a moron - stop talking as if it's the Iraq war that is going on in Iraq now. Right now it's Isis killing everyone who isn't Sunni, and us trying to stop this senseless violence, it's not about WMDs, it's not about oil, it's about saving lives.
Merging Cultures Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 An ideology that calls for people to be executed for leaving it is a tyrannical ideology, regardless of whether they're blowing people up.To be fair, if you follow the old testament closely, then Christianity would require quite a few executions.
The Doctor Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 To be fair, if you follow the old testament closely, then Christianity would require quite a few executions. Difference being that most Christians are of the opinion that Jesus came to form a new covent with man, and his rules supercede that of the OT, while Islam won't move past that. Still, better is the Asatru approach, basically to you your gods and to me mine.
Merging Cultures Posted 10 January 2015 Posted 10 January 2015 Difference being that most Christians are of the opinion that Jesus came to form a new covent with man, and his rules supercede that of the OT, while Islam won't move past that. Still, better is the Asatru approach, basically to you your gods and to me mine. Agreed re Christianity. I've made the same point many times.However, regarding Islam, I also believe that the majority of Muslims would not execute someone for leaving the faith. That's proven by the lack of executions in the UK.
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