weller54 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Wonder if potential new signings such as McArthur and Maloney were put off joining us because they didn't fancy playing under Pearson?... He comes over as such an arrogant swine in interviews.Albrighton and Knockaert have obviously upset him, but he refuses to play them at the detriment of the team?... Think personal vendettas come first?
Matt Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 It'll cost him sooner or later, he's shooting himself in the foot by refusing to play anyone but his favourites. As for struggling to get players in, i'm not sure why is that case, not gonna comment on that, but the failure to strengthen is another thing that could/is going to cost him is job imo.
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Bollocks. McArthur wanted to come we didn't sign him.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 McArthur didn't come due to the terms of payments, as much was admitted at the time. We got a running commentary from Wigan on the deal.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 It'll cost him sooner or later, he's shooting himself in the foot by refusing to play anyone but his favourites. To be fair, if he doesn't think they are better than the others why would be play them? As I said in another thread, we had all this before people crying about him not picking Danns, Beckford and Mills etc. His was proved correct massively, so without knowing every detail I can't call him too much on that.
Matt Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 To be fair, if he doesn't think they are better than the others why would be play them? As I said in another thread, we had all this before people crying about him not picking Danns, Beckford and Mills etc. His was proved correct massively, so without knowing every detail I can't call him too much on that. Ok only one example I know but it's a pretty strong example, What did Hamer do to be dropped, for Schwarzer to come in, make mistakes and not be replaced? Ok Hamer didn't set the world a light, far from perfect, but i'd say he was the best of the 3 keepers, as I said only one example but I could make cases for other players i'm sure, I mean how bad and how many mistakes does Morgan have to make be before he gets dropped, captain or not.
roachmachine Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I think league position has some bearing on signings.And maybe how poorly we have played, I would imagine most players look at us and see there is only one way were going, back to the championship with no guarantee of an instant return. Not sure about Nigel being a problem with signing players, though, tactics, favourites and formations definitely play a part in our currant position
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Hamer is a reserve GK. He hasn't doenanything to show he's a starting GK in the Prem. Kasper failed, he was given a chance, he was as average as the rest of the team. We bought Schwarzer in to see if he could do any better. He's about the same as Hamer (better leader, better distribution, not as good shot stopper) but with more experience. Hamer in doesn't save our season.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Ok only one example I know but it's a pretty strong example, What did Hamer do to be dropped, for Schwarzer to come in, make mistakes and not be replaced? What did he do in the games to be dropped, not much. He was ok. But, I'm not buying that he's amazing after witnessing him preseason he looked like an accident waiting to happen, perhaps he also looked like that in training. We only see a fraction of it, If Pearson thought a cock up was around the corner then I can understand him bringing MS in. What perhaps I'd argue isn't fair is to not give Hamer another chance considering the cock up on Saturday by MS. Morgan has made mistakes, but we've not had many options available until the last few games with Huth and Upson coming into contention. Moore has looked every inch as bad as Wes for me so I'm not sure that's the answer.
Mike Oxlong Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I've declared my position as Pearson Out but I don't think he can be blamed for the matter raised in the OP. Promoted sides are always going to be at a disadvantage against established teams in recruiting and it could be said that we punched above our weight in getting Cambiasso and Kramaric here. The bigger problem is not getting more out of those who we have signed and the failure to strengthen (even with up and coming prospects) in the areas that obviously needed bolstering.
Matt Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Hamer is a reserve GK. He hasn't doenanything to show he's a starting GK in the Prem. Kasper failed, he was given a chance, he was as average as the rest of the team. We bought Schwarzer in to see if he could do any better. He's about the same as Hamer (better leader, better distribution, not as good shot stopper) but with more experience. Hamer in doesn't save our season. i'm not saying it does, I am giving an arguement to the fact Pearson has favourites and certain players are not picked on merit.
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 i'm not saying it does, I am giving an arguement to the fact Pearson has favourites and certain players are not picked on merit. On your merit! Hamer did nothing to keep his place. But I do agree that Morgan should be dropped now we have Huth and Upson is fit. Simpson should be dropped and De Laet play - but many hated his game.
Corky Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Wonder if potential new signings such as McArthur and Maloney were put off joining us because they didn't fancy playing under Pearson?... He comes over as such an arrogant swine in interviews.Albrighton and Knockaert have obviously upset him, but he refuses to play them at the detriment of the team?... Think personal vendettas come first? And apparently he is excellent at managing players and making them feel part of the club. All the noises about his style are positive. It'll cost him sooner or later, he's shooting himself in the foot by refusing to play anyone but his favourites. As for struggling to get players in, i'm not sure why is that case, not gonna comment on that, but the failure to strengthen is another thing that could/is going to cost him is job imo. Which manager doesn't have his favourites? We always hear this bandied about. First it was Gallagher who sent out on loan. Then it was Nugent, and Vardy, De Laet, Schmeichel, Konchesky, now it's Morgan. Who is next? Mahrez probably after yesterday. Can you name me a manager that doesn't have favourites? Gus Poyet kept playing Altidore who scored 1 in 350 games or something. Imagine if Pearson played him eh?
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I think it's naive to say the least that a manager is a big deciding factor in who a player joins. You think players have a desire to play for Steve Bruce or Alan Pardew? It's largely down to their status in the league, location and how much money is on offer, something that we can't compete with on all 3 counts. I have never bought into this favourites rubbish either. He picks what he believes is the best 11 players for that particular game. It's not a matter of favouritism but who he has more trust and belief in their ability.
psychonaut Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Wonder if potential new signings such as McArthur and Maloney were put off joining us because they didn't fancy playing under Pearson?... He comes over as such an arrogant swine in interviews.Albrighton and Knockaert have obviously upset him, but he refuses to play them at the detriment of the team?... Think personal vendettas come first? I doubt he has vendettas - its more a pure ego thing. Kind of like that mafia/gangster mentality which comes from being an egomaniac - which Pearson clearly is. He's very comfortable cutting his nose off to spite his face - it's all about respect with Pearson and no matter how good you are - in fact the better you are the worse its going to be - the more he's gonna make sure you know your talent means nothing if you disrespect him. This also works both ways - you give him a lot of respect and he repays you with loyalty in the team no matter how many fcuk ups you make - it doesnt matter. The football is secondary with Pearson. Pearson is primary. His tenure is littered with examples of this behaviour - especially this season as it seems to worsen with pressure - I dont think I have to give any as they're clear to see.
Burmesefox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Reasons many players didn't of us: 1. Unfashionable club 2. Likelihood of relegation 3. Unfashionable town 4. Dour and unfashionable manager It's a mixture of all of these. I was worried at the start of the summer that LCFC as a package would struggle to get the players in we needed for Premiership survival. Not necessarily NP's fault I stress but it's a reality.
avyoursay Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 If it's Hamer's kicking and distribution that's a problem, then surely proper coaching to build confidence and the skills will eventually improve him to be our best bet. Just keep with him good or bad. I was all for Simpson coming in, but no, he really is useless, headless chicken and all that. Drop Morgan, give him the rest of the season off, play Mahrez as central attacking midfielder, as that's the position he usually tries to finish up in, and plays Allbrighton on either wing, alternating with Knocky on the other wing. sloppy as attacking left back, James and Hammond midfielders. Stop Pearson constantly changing our team and plans, formation etc to accommodate the opposition, instead of just playing to our strengths. But he won't change, I know most players speak highly of him, could well be a great bloke, but to be a successful football manager at this level, you don't need to be all pally and lovey dover with them, you need to manage them in a strict firm way, have no favourites, well, basically just the opposite to how Pearson is. I wanted him to succeed, but better late than never, get rid and pay him off. Any manager coming in now will do a better job and will be able to assess who's not up to it, playing wise. Just go with a manager who appears to have common sense, if there is one. Pearson's just too pig headed, stubborn, arrogant, lives on past success, thinks he's untouchable. Keeping fingers crossed he's gone by end of the week.
volpeazzurro Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Really good quality English players cost too much. McArthur is mediocre with no sell on value and who knows why he didn't come but the fact that he was considering the USA may indicate he was after one last good contract and the club didn't think him worth it. Foreign players that are affordable that want to play in the Premiership, if not Man u, Liverpool or Chelsea standard, may wish to go to an established Premiership club rather than a newly promoted one for obvious reasons, or perhaps at least a London club. Having got Italian relatives on my wife's side for example, upon first meeting and saying I was from Leicester they asked where's that and how far is that from London! Many foreign players may not even of heard of Leicester and despite having a nice county, Leicester itself is a dump. It must be very difficult for any newly promoted clubs from the Midlands or the North of the country to attract really good quality foreign players and I think thus far NP, Walsh and the team have done well in who they have been able to bring in. I doubt NP himself like other managers have much to do with direct face to face negotiations and if he did, despite his media persona, I would think he would come across quite well and in genera,l I think the players like him with the odd exception and we're not privy to why that would be. If he has fallen out with certain players then there would undoubtedly be a reason. We never know why he picks a particular team however one look on here every Friday shows how many different permutations and systems we all choose so he can't please everyone win or lose.
David Hankey Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Pearson didn't do enough in the close season, we all know that. By the time we arrived at the January transfer window I would imagine there weren't too many gifted players who would want to join a sinking ship. Pearson hasn't the contacts either in this country or aboard for us to maintain our position in the Premiership. Time for change.
avyoursay Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I doubt he has vendettas - its more a pure ego thing. Kind of like that mafia/gangster mentality which comes from being an egomaniac - which Pearson clearly is. He's very comfortable cutting his nose off to spite his face - it's all about respect with Pearson and no matter how good you are - in fact the better you are the worse its going to be - the more he's gonna make sure you know your talent means nothing if you disrespect him. This also works both ways - you give him a lot of respect and he repays you with loyalty in the team no matter how many fcuk ups you make - it doesnt matter. The football is secondary with Pearson. Pearson is primary. His tenure is littered with examples of this behaviour - especially this season as it seems to worsen with pressure - I dont think I have to give any as they're clear to see. Spot on!
Richard Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Wigan wanted too much money upfront for McArthur and Maloney would rather p*ss off to the U.S and earn himself a nice packet, none if which were to do with nigel pearson
avyoursay Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Really good quality English players cost too much. McArthur is mediocre with no sell on value and who knows why he didn't come but the fact that he was considering the USA may indicate he was after one last good contract and the club didn't think him worth it. Foreign players that are affordable that want to play in the Premiership, if not Man u, Liverpool or Chelsea standard, may wish to go to an established Premiership club rather than a newly promoted one for obvious reasons, or perhaps at least a London club. Having got Italian relatives on my wife's side for example, upon first meeting and saying I was from Leicester they asked where's that and how far is that from London! Many foreign players may not even of heard of Leicester and despite having a nice county, Leicester itself is a dump. It must be very difficult for any newly promoted clubs from the Midlands or the North of the country to attract really good quality foreign players and I think thus far NP, Walsh and the team have done well in who they have been able to bring in. I doubt NP himself like other managers have much to do with direct face to face negotiations and if he did, despite his media persona, I would think he would come across quite well and in genera,l I think the players like him with the odd exception and we're not privy to why that would be. If he has fallen out with certain players then there would undoubtedly be a reason. We never know why he picks a particular team however one look on here every Friday shows how many different permutations and systems we all choose so he can't please everyone win or lose.
avyoursay Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Agree with Leicester being a dump, but most players would live outside of the city, in big houses in the county or further afield. Driving in for training on match days, not really seeing much of the dump we live in!
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 His tenure is littered with examples of this behaviour - especially this season as it seems to worsen with pressure - I dont think I have to give any as they're clear to see. Here we go again, all of this was spouted before about him falling out with out "better players" Danns, Mills, Beckford, SSL... everyone told us they were brilliant and Pearson was an idiot. Well, we know who came out of that looking an idiot don't we.
Fox92 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 If players didn't want to join arrogant managers then Mourinho, Feguson, Clough etc would never have had any players! I'm open to criticise Pearson but the constant "arrogant" criticism is rubbish. Some of the greatest managers ever were arrogant.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.