Babylon Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 THIS You could just press the like button in the bottom right corner rather than replying to every post.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 How many teams have got promoted to the premier league with more than 100 points? Just out of interest tbh. THIS Perhaps his point was that there is only a very small sample to base that viewpoint on.
Ollie93 Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 Perhaps his point was that there is only a very small sample to base that viewpoint on. My point was that someone stated that "no team getting promoted with more than 100 points has ever finished lower than 13th" I just wanted to know how many there had been. I certainly wasn't supporting the argument that this hasn't been a successful season. IMO if we stay up, that's a success, I don't know how anyone can say it isn't.
Carlos88LCFC Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 If we stay up this season I will be as happier a fan as a Chelsea fan this season. I knew it was going to be tough, as did everyone... I got carried away after the united game, as did everyone (including the players) We have now found a formula to win games in the premiership. We 'might' have left it too late, hopefully not. Out of the bottom 5/6 teams, we have surely got to be favorites to stay up? Regardless of our position... Did anyone watch match of the day? Sunderland are going down, Hull, QPR, West Brom & Burnley have a difficult run in, and if we win 4 games out of our remaining, I think we will stay up. Swansea is potentially the game that will take us off of the foot of the table which will be a massive confidence boost to our squad. What Pearson has done in regards to team spirit and keeping the players on side has been magic. Not many managers could do this... Again, look at Sunderland they were jogging around the pitch pretty much all game. I wish I could sleep until Saturday, I can't wait for the Swansea game!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Stadt Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 I would have taken 17th but I thought we'd finish between 10-15th, we were in a good position preseason to survive comfortably so if we stay up it's not an underachievement but a mild disappointment considering preseason expectations. However I'd be delighted if we stayed up
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 You could just press the like button in the bottom right corner rather than replying to every post. Sorry I just like writing 'THIS'
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 If we stay up this season I will be as happier a fan as a Chelsea fan this season. I knew it was going to be tough, as did everyone... I got carried away after the united game, as did everyone (including the players) We have now found a formula to win games in the premiership. We 'might' have left it too late, hopefully not. Out of the bottom 5/6 teams, we have surely got to be favorites to stay up? Regardless of our position... Did anyone watch match of the day? Sunderland are going down, Hull, QPR, West Brom & Burnley have a difficult run in, and if we win 4 games out of our remaining, I think we will stay up. Swansea is potentially the game that will take us off of the foot of the table which will be a massive confidence boost to our squad. What Pearson has done in regards to team spirit and keeping the players on side has been magic. Not many managers could do this... Again, look at Sunderland they were jogging around the pitch pretty much all game. I wish I could sleep until Saturday, I can't wait for the Swansea game!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm dreading Saturday, as we will more than likely come down to earth with a bang, and pessimism will be 95% of my outlook, as opposed to the 70% it has been this week.
Carlos88LCFC Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 I'm dreading Saturday, as we will more than likely come down to earth with a bang, and pessimism will be 95% of my outlook, as opposed to the 70% it has been this week. And if we win? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 And if we win? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I may go as far as to say 55% positive / 45% negative. We really need to win the Sunderland Burnley and QPR games!
Izzy Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 This season has been an emotional rollercoaster and my head is spinning. After the euphoria of last season I thought we could finish 12th Before the first game kicked off at home to Everton I'd have taken 4th from bottom After the Man Utd win I dreamed of something special happening The months that followed I prayed for 4th from bottom again After the Hull game I was 99% sure we were gone After the last two games I think we can survive If we lose on Saturday god knows what I'll be thinking. What a crazy season...
Carlos88LCFC Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 I may go as far as to say 55% positive / 45% negative. We really need to win the Sunderland Burnley and QPR games! I'm expecting to get beat at Burnley & id be ecstatic with a draw, if we win this game it would be a disaster if we got relegated... Sunderland will crumble under the pressure of playing in front of their home fans in a MUST MUST MUST win game against us. And Hopefully by the QPR game they are already relegated, deflated and have nothing to play for. Newcastle & Swansea are two games I think we can get maximum points out of and if all goes to plan, we will be in the premiership next year!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
TrentFox Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 All we are saying, is give Pearson a chance. Clever. Haven't seen that before.
LJS Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 I find this notion that we should be grateful just for the opportunity to finish 17th in the Premier League very bizarre. A club promoted the way we were, with more time to prepare than most, should surely expect better than we've had. I hear people talk quite a lot about how difficult the Premier League is for promoted clubs. But the facts do not bear this out. The average final position of clubs promoted to the Premier League (over the last eighteen seasons, since the Premier League was reduced to 20 clubs) is 15th. The average number of promoted clubs relegated after a single season is 1.2. So normally only one would be relegated with another joining them once every five seasons. The last time more than one promoted club was relegated immediately was 2008 which suggests that it's getting easier to survive if anything. Clubs surviving their first season in the seasons since 2008 include the following illustrious names: - Wolves - Birmingham - Newcastle - West Brom - QPR - Norwich - Swansea - Southampton - West Ham - Hull - Crystal Palace Other than perhaps two or three of those clubs is there really any reason why we should expect to be performing worse than any of those? To further out it into context, these are the clubs relegated instantly in that period: - Burnley - Blackpool - Reading - Cardiff I'm no football snob, but do we really belong in that company? In my view the facts are these; Pearson prepared us poorly for life in the top flight. He then resorted to a negative approach to matches when we'd started well playing attacking football and we ended up bottom of the league as a result. We've now reverted to a fast counter attacking style which brought us success last season and at the beginning of this. And surprise surprise, we're back to winning football matches again. I'm delighted that Pearson has made these changes and if he keeps us up he should get the chance to go again. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an expectation that he learns from his obvious mistakes this season. If he wants to play a more negative style then he needs to buy in suitable players. If he doesn't do that then starts playing that way next season (assuming we stay up) then he should go. If we get relegated he should go anyway. No excuses. Because we wouldn't have been relegated because we're not good enough. We'd have been relegated because the manager chose not to use his players in the way which was more likely to win games of football. Seriously, if we go down it's an opportunity pissed right up the wall and with no guarantee of an instant return.
MC Prussian Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 No team getting promoted with more than 100 points has ever finished lower than 13th. I'd happily take 17th now but we had every right to hope for better than that. That may be, but do the stats also take into equation how good or how bad the opposition were in each respective previous case (of which there aren't that many)?We've played badly at times and also had a fair share of bad luck. That is not reflected in such a simplistic stat, either.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 Staying up was the goal, if that's achieved then it's a success. Look how much cash the likes of Hull and Sunderland have spent and they are still struggling. Fine, but if they stay up, it will have been money well spent.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 April 2015 Posted 15 April 2015 I think you’re being unfair. Things change quickly in football. Before the West Ham game I’d have agreed with you. 110%. We looked a long way past lost, and we were on course to be one of the worst teams in Premiership history. But that’s no longer the case. We’re 3 points from safety with a game in hand. I was expecting better than this, but I was also realistic enough to know we could be relegation trouble. It doesn’t change the fact that Pearson has had a piss-poor season so far. But so what? If he keeps us up, he’ll still be a tactical no-hoper, but he will have demonstrated world-class powers of motivation and belief. All we are saying, is give Pearson a chance. Of course I'm not being unfair. I simply stated that I wasn't expecting to be in the position we are in now at this point in the season. Games in hand aren't points. Especially against Chelsea for example. I also said I doubt many thought we'd be under Burnley at this point. Who, hand on heart, thought we'd be bottom of the table at this point in the season? Of course we all hope we'll survive. I've said I think we will. So I'm not being unfair, just honest.
Fox Ulike Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Of course I'm not being unfair. I simply stated that I wasn't expecting to be in the position we are in now at this point in the season. Games in hand aren't points. Especially against Chelsea for example. I also said I doubt many thought we'd be under Burnley at this point. Who, hand on heart, thought we'd be bottom of the table at this point in the season? Of course we all hope we'll survive. I've said I think we will. So I'm not being unfair, just honest. I didn’t expect us to be bottom and below Burnley either. But I was aware of the possibility. Finishing bottom should have been on the edge of everybody’s expectations, if they are being realistic. What I wasn’t expecting was to be badly cut adrift at the bottom. But that’s no longer the case.
the card cheat Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 the lowest position any team has finished in the prem having been promoted with 100 plus points is 13th. So why would I not expect us to have the ability to stay up. this season has been a massive under achievement, and the result of some very poor decision making.
Jace Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 To be honest Mills despite all the jokes isn't actually that bad a centre back, it was just his ridicious contract and expectation that was the problem when he was here. I rate Pearson but to be fair he did freeze Mills out the team to stop his wages increasing even further many players would have been very annoyed about that
Fox Ulike Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 To be honest Mills despite all the jokes isn't actually that bad a centre back, it was just his ridicious contract and expectation that was the problem when he was here. I rate Pearson but to be fair he did freeze Mills out the team to stop his wages increasing even further many players would have been very annoyed about that I don't think that's fair. At the time Morgan and St Ledger were just a much more effective partnership. Mills was dropped for a string of poor performances and a reckless sending off at Birmingham. He was then frozen out for blubbing and moaning about being dropped. Players like Schmiecal and Nugent probably had similar clauses in their contracts but weren't frozen out to save money.
LJS Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 Yeah let's not pretend that Mills was anything more than utter shit when he was here. I'm sure the fee raised expectations but he performed like a below average Championship defender when with us and the stature of club he has been playing for since does nothing to suggest that he has improved on that.
fuchsntf Posted 16 April 2015 Posted 16 April 2015 I am sure, or I totally misunderstood the thread, that this thread was was not about just the playing side of things, but how has a club, on all issues, we could of died a slow death over these last 10 years. Whether we are relegated, or stay up, we have moved has an organisation into a very credible position. We could of become an Accrington Stanley, a Preston, Wolves, Portsmouth.etc BUT No !!!various management especially this present one from coaches to owners stopped the rot, and have give us back a stable and consistent platform, to build on, we have not imploded. Thats why for me the vendetta against Pearson, or even the over the top support, has been total irrelevant and immaterial, when going far too much over the top into detail over player selection, and individual game tactical setups. Every single manager, from Busby, Shankly, Mee, to Mourinho , Ferguson and MON, had same fans all through their careers, saying they should do this and that, or they are not top managers, that they as fans know better... Leicester since maybe the late 70s and definitely since admin days havent had the chance to entice the top quality players. MON found Parker and Some city managers have squeased, the last drops of blood from ex greats. Pearson trying with Cambiasso, would of been better if DD and James were not injured, and came back with last seasons form. Eriksson tried to build from older nearlys and could of beens.but in reality not too expensive, but still too much for citys pockets. This Leicester has a FUTURE, 3-4 yrs ago it was still in the balance.
foxfanazer Posted 16 April 2015 Author Posted 16 April 2015 I am sure, or I totally misunderstood the thread, that this thread was was not about just the playing side of things, but how has a club, on all issues, we could of died a slow death over these last 10 years. Whether we are relegated, or stay up, we have moved has an organisation into a very credible position. We could of become an Accrington Stanley, a Preston, Wolves, Portsmouth.etc BUT No !!!various management especially this present one from coaches to owners stopped the rot, and have give us back a stable and consistent platform, to build on, we have not imploded. Thats why for me the vendetta against Pearson, or even the over the top support, has been total irrelevant and immaterial, when going far too much over the top into detail over player selection, and individual game tactical setups. Every single manager, from Busby, Shankly, Mee, to Mourinho , Ferguson and MON, had same fans all through their careers, saying they should do this and that, or they are not top managers, that they as fans know better... Leicester since maybe the late 70s and definitely since admin days havent had the chance to entice the top quality players. MON found Parker and Some city managers have squeased, the last drops of blood from ex greats. Pearson trying with Cambiasso, would of been better if DD and James were not injured, and came back with last seasons form. Eriksson tried to build from older nearlys and could of beens.but in reality not too expensive, but still too much for citys pockets. This Leicester has a FUTURE, 3-4 yrs ago it was still in the balance. You're correct mate, it was
Ollie93 Posted 17 April 2015 Posted 17 April 2015 the lowest position any team has finished in the prem having been promoted with 100 plus points is 13th. So why would I not expect us to have the ability to stay up. this season has been a massive under achievement, and the result of some very poor decision making. I would love to see evidence of this stat. How many teams have been promoted with 100+ points and where they have finished. Anybody can just quote figures.
Fox Ulike Posted 17 April 2015 Posted 17 April 2015 I would love to see evidence of this stat. How many teams have been promoted with 100+ points and where they have finished. Anybody can just quote figures. I think we are only the third team to do it after Reading and Newcastle. So while the stat might be true, a sample of TWO doesn't provides statistical resilience. However, we have under-achieved so far this season… but the season ain’t over yet.
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