Guest Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 According to remain house prices will drop like a stone if we brexit. According to Cameron, mortgages will go up if you leave (up to £1,000 a month).
Guest Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 House prices - broadly, fewer immigrants will reduce demand and therefore reduce house price growth, but on that basis it will take net outflows in the population to decrease prices, and personally I can't see immigration slowing significantly in the long term unless the UK simply becomes an unattractive place to move to, in which case we're all losers. The other issue is that much of the house building industry is already stretched beyond capacity, if fewer EU construction workers arrive that will reduce capacity even more, meaning fewer houses are built, and those that are built will be more expensive due to the increased costs of employing the builders who remain. According to Boris this morning, there may not be less immigrants entering the country. This was in answer to the farmers who need the cheap labour and none already in will be made to leave.
johnny the fox Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 According to Cameron, mortgages will go up if you leave (up to £1,000 a month). Yeah..if your house is worth £100.milliion now... £1000 quid would wipe out 90% of mortgage holders ..ha ha..
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 According to Boris this morning, there may not be less immigrants entering the country. This was in answer to the farmers who need the cheap labour and none already in will be made to leave. I've just checked the latest immigration figures: - Net immigration from EU: 184,000 - Net immigration from outside EU: 188,000 So, non-EU immigration over which the Tory Govt has complete control is HIGHER than EU immigration over which it lacks control. Let that sink in a minute.... Put another way, the Tories have been in power for 6 years and non-EU immigration is TWICE as high as they promised that TOTAL immigration (non-EU + EU) would be. ....and members of that government are criticising the EU for the scale of immigration. What a bunch of comedians! If Boris wouldn't send the Slovakian spud-pickers home or stop them arriving, has he said anything about whether/how he's going to replace all the Indian doctors, Filipino nurses, Polish plumbers, African care workers, Spanish teachers, Hong Kong I.T. bods etc.?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/12111108/Mapped-Which-country-has-the-most-immigrants.html Couple of links to show how our immigration situation compares to other nations. http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/SN06077.pdf Found the table on page 12 interesting - it gave a split of EU immigration between the 15 long standing members (45%), the accession 8 and the others.
Webbo Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/12111108/Mapped-Which-country-has-the-most-immigrants.html Couple of links to show how our immigration situation compares to other nations. http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/SN06077.pdf Found the table on page 12 interesting - it gave a split of EU immigration between the 15 long standing members (45%), the accession 8 and the others. You're missing the point, what other countries do is up to them. The amount of immigration isn't as important as the fact that we are not allowed to decide it for ourselves.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 I've just checked the latest immigration figures: - Net immigration from EU: 184,000 - Net immigration from outside EU: 188,000 So, non-EU immigration over which the Tory Govt has complete control is HIGHER than EU immigration over which it lacks control. Let that sink in a minute.... Put another way, the Tories have been in power for 6 years and non-EU immigration is TWICE as high as they promised that TOTAL immigration (non-EU + EU) would be. ....and members of that government are criticising the EU for the scale of immigration. What a bunch of comedians! If Boris wouldn't send the Slovakian spud-pickers home or stop them arriving, has he said anything about whether/how he's going to replace all the Indian doctors, Filipino nurses, Polish plumbers, African care workers, Spanish teachers, Hong Kong I.T. bods etc.? You're missing the point, what other countries do is up to them. The amount of immigration isn't as important as the fact that we are not allowed to decide it for ourselves. YOU'RE missing the point..... When this Tory government IS allowed to decide, it lets 188,000 NON-EU immigrants into the country. Why is that, then?
Webbo Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 YOU'RE missing the point..... When this Tory government IS allowed to decide, it lets 188,000 NON-EU immigrants into the country. Why is that, then? Apparently non EU all have to go through a points system now so they must all be high value migrants and very welcome. If you want me to admit that Cameron lied about getting immigration down then he did or at least he was excessively optimistic about what could be achieved.
Buce Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 'Cultural Differences Put British Women At Risk Of Sexual Assault' - Farage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36455766
Guest Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 'Cultural Differences Put British Women At Risk Of Sexual Assault' - Farage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36455766 But we all know that foreigners are going to rape us and nationals aren't.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 Apparently non EU all have to go through a points system now so they must all be high value migrants and very welcome. If you want me to admit that Cameron lied about getting immigration down then he did or at least he was excessively optimistic about what could be achieved. If they are all high-value migrants, it does beg the question why we're so short of high-value natives that we need to import as many as 188,000 people per year (in addition to EU immigrants). If that remains the case (and I've not heard of any dramatic new schemes to train vast numbers of extra high-skilled natives), that has the potential to cause social tensions unless we're not careful, doesn't it? Then there are the 184,000 EU immigrants per year. If we do leave the EU, we'll presumably need to replace them, either with extra natives who are currently failing to compete with them for jobs, for whatever reason - or maybe just further increase the number of non-EU immigrants? Then there are the "unskilled" but demanding jobs often done by immigrants: care workers, nurses, farm workers etc. How are we going to replace them over time? I've yet to hear of any great plans to improve skills levels among natives - or to encourage more natives to work in care homes or seasonal agriculture. One might almost think that Brexit Tories are happy to import cheaper or more flexible labour for their masters in big business / big farming.... and are just using immigration as a cynical ploy to win votes, so that they can ratchet working conditions down more - and ratchet big business profits up more.
Webbo Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 If they are all high-value migrants, it does beg the question why we're so short of high-value natives that we need to import as many as 188,000 people per year (in addition to EU immigrants). If that remains the case (and I've not heard of any dramatic new schemes to train vast numbers of extra high-skilled natives), that has the potential to cause social tensions unless we're not careful, doesn't it? Then there are the 184,000 EU immigrants per year. If we do leave the EU, we'll presumably need to replace them, either with extra natives who are currently failing to compete with them for jobs, for whatever reason - or maybe just further increase the number of non-EU immigrants? Then there are the "unskilled" but demanding jobs often done by immigrants: care workers, nurses, farm workers etc. How are we going to replace them over time? I've yet to hear of any great plans to improve skills levels among natives - or to encourage more natives to work in care homes or seasonal agriculture. One might almost think that Brexit Tories are happy to import cheaper or more flexible labour for their masters in big business / big farming.... and are just using immigration as a cynical ploy to win votes, so that they can ratchet working conditions down more - and ratchet big business profits up more. It could be that these non EU migrants and extra doctors, nurses, dentist etc imported to cover the extra demand of all the other migrants. Reduce 1 you reduce the other. Anyway immigration itself isn't the issue for me, it's the fact that we have no say in it. Govts come and go, policies change, we shouldn't base our vote on single policies or personalities.
bovril Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 No country has complete control over immigration. And the immigration 'problem', if you see it that way, is global. Both internal and external. Britain leaving the EU in respect to immigration would be like your town flooding and you turning off the kitchen tap. There are reasons to leave the EU but I honestly don't see immigration as one of them.
johnny the fox Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 No country has complete control over immigration. And the immigration 'problem', if you see it that way, is global. Both internal and external. Britain leaving the EU in respect to immigration would be like your town flooding and you turning off the kitchen tap. There are reasons to leave the EU but I honestly don't see immigration as one of them. I'm for building a fookin great big wall...
bovril Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 I'm for building a fookin great big wall... Sounds like a job for immigrants....
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 It could be that these non EU migrants and extra doctors, nurses, dentist etc imported to cover the extra demand of all the other migrants. Reduce 1 you reduce the other. Anyway immigration itself isn't the issue for me, it's the fact that we have no say in it. Govts come and go, policies change, we shouldn't base our vote on single policies or personalities. I take your point that you're opposed to the free movement of labour within the EU. But we DO have a say over non-EU immigration and that's even higher than EU immigration. You're clutching at straws with your first idea, though. A disproportionately high number of migrants are of working age - so much less likely to need healthcare. Plus NHS spending is only rising in line with inflation, isn't it? That doesn't suggest massive immigrant pressure on the NHS. There would obviously be some drop in demand on the NHS if all the migrants left, but the loss of thousands of health/social care staff - and the loss of tax take from immigrant labour would be a bigger problem. Anyway, like you say, it's not all about immigration. It's a much bigger, more complex and longer-term decision than any single issue or particular politician. I agree with you there.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 I'm for building a fookin great big wall... In the sea to allow us Brits free access for sandcastle-building and bathing or at the top of the beach, with smartcard-operated gates, to allow controlled access to sand and sea? Sounds like a job for immigrants.... Cue a rousing chorus of "Poor Paddy was working on the railway!"......."I was we-earing corduroy britches...." Oh, dear! I'm getting giddy again. Time to retire from the debate.
johnny the fox Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 In the sea to allow us Brits free access for sandcastle-building and bathing or at the top of the beach, with smartcard-operated gates, to allow controlled access to sand and sea? Cue a rousing chorus of "Poor Paddy was working on the railway!"......."I was we-earing corduroy britches...." Oh, dear! I'm getting giddy again. Time to retire from the debate. Might need a huge damp course ...but I like it...
Webbo Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 I take your point that you're opposed to the free movement of labour within the EU. But we DO have a say over non-EU immigration and that's even higher than EU immigration. You're clutching at straws with your first idea, though. A disproportionately high number of migrants are of working age - so much less likely to need healthcare. Plus NHS spending is only rising in line with inflation, isn't it? That doesn't suggest massive immigrant pressure on the NHS. There would obviously be some drop in demand on the NHS if all the migrants left, but the loss of thousands of health/social care staff - and the loss of tax take from immigrant labour would be a bigger problem. Anyway, like you say, it's not all about immigration. It's a much bigger, more complex and longer-term decision than any single issue or particular politician. I agree with you there. It was a bit tongue in cheek.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 It was a bit tongue in cheek. Sorry that I did not get zis joke. It must be ze humourless Germans taking over Europe, regulating, standardising and crushing ze British sense of humour, jawohl, Herr Webbi? Also zis was a bit tongue in ze cheek.
Strokes Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 According to Cameron, mortgages will go up if you leave (up to £1,000 a month). He has proven himself trustworthy in your eyes now then?
Strokes Posted 5 June 2016 Posted 5 June 2016 'Cultural Differences Put British Women At Risk Of Sexual Assault' - Farage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36455766 It's a fair point but I think it's less likely with EU migrants as they don't migrate in packs (or whatever the correct collective noun maybe).
Guest Posted 6 June 2016 Posted 6 June 2016 I'm for building a fookin great big wall... At least you'd have a job at last.
Guest Posted 6 June 2016 Posted 6 June 2016 He has proven himself trustworthy in your eyes now then? He's the leader that was chosen by the party that had the majority of the small amount of votes needed at the last election. and on the other side we have Michael Gove
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