ramadaone Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Hamza will be training with the first team very soon. I've seen a lot of him and the kid can play. He's exactly the type of midfielder we are lacking around the first team squad. Ranieri knows talent and that kid has got endless potential. He can play that is for sure but his attitude is a problem to say the least , too easy to wind up , reckless in the tackle and doesn't spot the dangers quick enough yet at the higher level. 20 years ago he would probably in the first team by now but those days of putting yourself about are long gone ( sadly ) although to be fair he isn't a one trick pony. Academy wise Chilly is nailed on to be involved and Cain has an outside chance but the rest are way off in my opinion. The 21's we bought might have a squeak depending on who we manage to bring in and how quickly.
Dan Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Nothing wrong with a target of two a season but it shouldn't be met for the sake of it. If I was a club owner with money I'd invest a hell of a lot into scouting and the academy. It's the most prudent way to go about it. Produce your own players or buy talent on the cheap. It can be done regardless of your size.
ramadaone Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Layton has just signed his Pro contract which is good news but think he will at least 1 season before he gets any sort of a chance
Stevosevic Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Only Chillwell realistically. A lot of our under 21's are at an age where they should already be playing regular football at some sort of level, or an age where the likes of King, Moore, Schlupp were already established first team players. After this you're looking at Hamza and Layton Ndukwu
MattyFromLE Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Would seem that Ndukwu has signed a professional contract... User Actions Follow Layton Ndukwu@Mister_Layton Happy to announce that I have signed my professional contract for @OfficialFOXES #LCFC
RowlattsFox Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Any young centre backs going to feature tonight? We're a bit short unless we are going play full backs there.
Stevosevic Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Any young centre backs going to feature tonight? We're a bit short unless we are going play full backs there. Liam Moore is a similar age to most that play in the "under 21" league
TeamRocket Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Does anyone no his bio? Cant see much on wiki or lcfc web page
jayfox26 Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 The better we get the harder it will be for youngsters to break through - and the greater the risks for the manager if he tries to bring them through and fails. We're in danger of becoming just like the bigger clubs whereby we stockpile talent and loan them out to lesser clubs to develop them. In the end I just think so much talent will go to waste. Southampton are one of the few clubs who seem to have a determination to bring players through. We should have a target of bringing through so many each season or couple of seasons. It would provide the commitment necessary and even greater incentive for those who might benefit. As it is, even reading the views on here over the years, it's clear that, so some, the youngsters will never be ready. They'd prefer us to sign some exotic-sounding incomer with lots of international caps. Anyone remember Kaebi and the sub-standard foreign legion from Mandaric's time, at least one of whom was never fit as I can recall?. Even the Cambiasso saga irritates. The guy is worshipped but still remains undecided about the club. Someone like Kingy commits himself wholeheartedly season after season yet I'd doubt his popularity - appreciated as he is by many - would ever match Cambiasso's. Strange values, but please don't get me wrong. Cambiasso's been good for our club. Perhaps not as good as Huth, or even Kingy given all he's done and the improvement in our results when he was back in the side for our dramatic recovery run, but you cannot doubt Cambiasso's class for all that he has weaknesses as well. I hope he signs because, either way, we will import someone rather than elevating one of our own, yet, to me, there's a special pride in developing players ourselves. Otherwise, as I've touched on before, the Academy set-up is nothing more than an expensive social service. And one we don't, as yet, see anything like enough return on. In part because we don't generally seem to complete the development of players successfully. But also because we don't quite find the lasting opportunity for them. In the end, emerging youngsters don't need "a chance" in the first team they need a commitment. Vardy's one of the best examples where development is concerned. At first he struggles with a new situation. But, with patience, the bloke adjusts and shows himself well able to cope. Yet how many people on here wrote him off as a trier who wasn't quite good enough? Giving people time to adjust is the hardest part. Especially if results go badly. We've persisted with Schlupp and seen some benefit. We just don't do it often enough. Some might say the talent's just not there to be worked on. To which I'd answer that we should be more selective in who we do sign and more accomplished in getting the best from them. I can't be bothered to add up the numbers precisely but would guess we've established, or nearly established, close to one player per season in the last decade or so. King, Stearman, Mattock, Wesolowski (?), Gradel (?), Sheehan (?), Moore (?) and Schlupp come to mind and there might be the odd one I've forgotten. It's nowhere near good enough. The target should be two per season at least. And even of the ones I've listed, only two or three might be deemed genuine first team quality during that time. Very good post. Southampton have set the precedence as regards youth team set up and they have more than paid for their youth academy with the players they've brought through in the past 5 or so years. I know a guy who works for Bolton Wanderers and he says it costs around £8m a year to run a decent youth academy. So if that figure is right we definitely need 2 decent players a season to come through to make it worth while. Personally I feel the whole set up of youth football in England is flawed and is the reason we never do well on the international scene. The whole set up of playing under 16's 17's 18's etc is wrong, the way young players learn is by playing with and against older pros. You don't learn anything when you're 16 and play against another 16 year old but you would soon learn at 16 if you got clattered by Rob Huth for example. Massive changes are needed across the whole of England to make the whole youth system better!
indierich06 Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Pearson's track record with youth players wasn't particularly notable but I wouldn't say there's many he's really been harsh about the chances he's given to them. Gradel is the obvious example but I still to this day don't think he was anything special for us at all. Making the right noises though Ranieri is. Bit unfair, brought through King, Moore, Gradel and Mattock (only for him to be a complete ****) - think the success of King and Moore is a decent return from the academy, considering how few young English players make it through these days. In terms of our current crop, I think the only three that could realistically make the step up are Chilwell, Choudhury and Ndukwu.
Captain... Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 What I would like to see is 2 academy products on the bench for each game. We have seven on the bench, GK, DF, MF, FWD +1, will cover all options leaving 2 spots for an academy product. Give them half an hour when we are 3-0 up against Newcastle, or cruising at 5-1 against QPR, and if injuries mean we have to throw one on, then so be it. Otherwise I would fully support a rule change that allowed 7 substitutes + 2 U21 players, giving them the option of easing them in when cruising in games, without sacrificing tactical flexibility of a 7 man bench. On the flip side I don't want to see another debacle like Shrewsbury with academy players thrown in in a pretty disgraceful way, 3 kids making their debut 2 of them playing in midfield together, the rest of the side the second string. Appalling decision and sacrificed our chance to register our first win of the season, I was pretty pissed off about it at the time, admittedly the next 3 games helped me get over it. If you are going to play kids in the League cup second round, at least give them a chance by playing them alongside some experienced players.
Ric Flair Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Bit unfair, brought through King, Moore, Gradel and Mattock (only for him to be a complete ****) - think the success of King and Moore is a decent return from the academy, considering how few young English players make it through these days. In terms of our current crop, I think the only three that could realistically make the step up are Chilwell, Choudhury and Ndukwu. I'm not so sure Pearson was overly interested in our academy, which I think is where some of the problems lay with Rudkin. He didn't know how to handle Gradel when it was fairly clear the lad had so much raw potential at the level we were playing at, but i'll concede there's only so much a manager can do. He was also very happy to allow Schlupp to go to Man Utd, i'm sorry but if you genuinely believe in one of your youngsters then you don't just let them go to a big club without a fight. It's not as if Schlupp had established himself as a first team player and deserved to move to a bigger club, he'd been in and around the first team and was then allowed to go on a long trial midway through the season. It was bizarre but thankfully he came back and Pearson found time to blood him and progress him. I'm baffled by Liam Moore, 3 seasons on the spin he starts the season with us in the first team and then he either gets dropped or injured and struggles to even make the bench. I'm not saying this is all Pearson's fault but what on earth transpires each time? We've not had many youngsters that leave and we've lived to regret it, Gradel is about the only one. But as i've said above, I think Pearson was far too quick to look at other clubs academy players than he was his own. He had a task of achieving pro9mtion and then staying up which he did very well, you can't argue with it. But you also can't say he's very keen to introduce our crop of youngsters because he evidently wasn't.
Stevosevic Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I'm not so sure Pearson was overly interested in our academy, which I think is where some of the problems lay with Rudkin. He didn't know how to handle Gradel when it was fairly clear the lad had so much raw potential at the level we were playing at, but i'll concede there's only so much a manager can do. He was also very happy to allow Schlupp to go to Man Utd, i'm sorry but if you genuinely believe in one of your youngsters then you don't just let them go to a big club without a fight. It's not as if Schlupp had established himself as a first team player and deserved to move to a bigger club, he'd been in and around the first team and was then allowed to go on a long trial midway through the season. It was bizarre but thankfully he came back and Pearson found time to blood him and progress him. I'm baffled by Liam Moore, 3 seasons on the spin he starts the season with us in the first team and then he either gets dropped or injured and struggles to even make the bench. I'm not saying this is all Pearson's fault but what on earth transpires each time? We've not had many youngsters that leave and we've lived to regret it, Gradel is about the only one. But as i've said above, I think Pearson was far too quick to look at other clubs academy players than he was his own. He had a task of achieving pro9mtion and then staying up which he did very well, you can't argue with it. But you also can't say he's very keen to introduce our crop of youngsters because he evidently wasn't. This.
Dan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Bit unfair, brought through King, Moore, Gradel and Mattock (only for him to be a complete ****) - think the success of King and Moore is a decent return from the academy, considering how few young English players make it through these days. In terms of our current crop, I think the only three that could realistically make the step up are Chilwell, Choudhury and Ndukwu. I wasn't having a pop at him for it. I just don't think we've had that much come through in that time and I'm not saying it's down to him - we won't have a reputation for it but that wasn't his fault. Our track record with youngsters isn't good enough for me. Not in the past 15 years anyway. I'll point out of those players, only Moore was given his senior debut by Pearson.
Dan Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Very good post. Southampton have set the precedence as regards youth team set up and they have more than paid for their youth academy with the players they've brought through in the past 5 or so years. I know a guy who works for Bolton Wanderers and he says it costs around £8m a year to run a decent youth academy. So if that figure is right we definitely need 2 decent players a season to come through to make it worth while. Personally I feel the whole set up of youth football in England is flawed and is the reason we never do well on the international scene. The whole set up of playing under 16's 17's 18's etc is wrong, the way young players learn is by playing with and against older pros. You don't learn anything when you're 16 and play against another 16 year old but you would soon learn at 16 if you got clattered by Rob Huth for example. Massive changes are needed across the whole of England to make the whole youth system better! Making coaching badges cheaper, thus improving the number of coaches and hopefully the quality in the process. The number of qualified coaches in this country compared to Spain and Germany is an embarrassment.
TOMBlcfc Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Ranieri at the U21 game tonight which is good to see
Ric Flair Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Surprised Choudhury and Layton haven't been used in any of the U21 friendlies yet.
LCFC FOX Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Layton looks promising. Scores a lot for Leicester and England
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